1999-12-08 Final DRC MinutesCITY OF ORANGE
DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE
MINUTES
for Wednesday, December 8, 1999
Board Members Present: Leonard Filner
Jack McGee
Mark Paone
Susan Secoy (Chair)
Joe Woollett (Vice Chair)*
("`Arrived at approximately 6:30 p.m.)
Board Member Absent: None
Staff in Attendance: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner
Howard Morris, Landscape Coordinator
Administrative Session - 4:30 P.M.
The board met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 p.m. The meeting adjourned at
approximately 9:00 p.m.
Regular Session - 5:30 PM
REVIEW OF MINUTES:
A motion was made by Joe Woollett to approve the November 3, 1999 minutes as submitted.
SECOND: Jack McGee
AYES: Leonard Filner, Jack McGee, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
A motion was made by Susan Secoy to approve the November 17, 1999 minutes as submitted.
SECOND: Leonard Filner
AYES: Leonard Filner, Jack McGee, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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1. DRC No. 3373- BURGER KING RESTAURANT
• Signage for a new drive-thru restaurant
• 4402 E. Chapman Avenue
• DRC Action: Final Determination
The project was presented by Rodney Bickle with C & R Development and Bill Carrig,
franchisee for Burger King restaurant. The proposal consists of building wall signs, on-site
directional signs and menu board signs. The primary freestanding sign is not included in this
package, and will be submitted at a later date.
The DRC stated that they have no problems with the menu board and directional signs, but
there are some concerns with the size of the wall sign being a very close fit along the Chapman
building elevation. More clearance is needed between the sign and the architectural feature.
The applicants stated the plans are not drawn to scale, but the length of the sign can be
shortened to provide more clearance.
MOTION by Susan Secoy to approve the project with the following conditions:
1. Shorten the wall sign along the north building elevation to provide a minimum 6 inches clear
stucco area (measured in a horizontal direction) on each side from the architectural feature.
The wall sign shall be a maximum of 19 inches in letter height.
2. The wall sign along the west building elevation shall be a maximum of 5 ft. in diameter.
SECOND: Leonard Filner
AYES: Leonard Filner, Jack McGee, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Joe Woollett
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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2. DRC No. 3415 - U. S. STORAGE CENTER
• Landscape plans for a new self storage facility
• 1460 N. Main Street
• DRC Action: Final Determination
(Approved as consent item)
MOTION by Susan Secoy to approve the project with the following condition:
1. Submit final landscape and irrigation plans to Community Services Department for approval.
Final plans shall include City required inspection notes.
SECOND: Leo Filner
AYES: Leonard Filner, Jack McGee, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Joe Woollett
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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3. DRC No. 3453 -VILLA FORD
Expansion of an existing automotive dealership facility
2550 N. Tustin Street
DRC Action: Final Determination
The project was presented by Erik Marcussen with Dennis Flynn Architects. This is a final
review of the landscape plans prior to plan check. The plans now indicate that the existing
Eucalyptus trees cannot be retained, and will be removed and replaced with trees in excess of
a one to one ratio for mitigation. Also submitted are the exterior finish material samples and
color palette per the DRC's conditions from the previous meeting minutes of 8/11/99. The
signage plans will be submitted separately at a later date.
The DRC expressed concerns with specifying Palm trees in box sizes. It should be specified in
brown truck height instead. The DRC also suggested the use of an alternative tree in lieu of the
48 inch box Ficus tree, due to its potential surface root problems.
MOTION by Leonard Filner to approve the project with the following conditions
1. The Brahea armata (Mexican Blue Palms) and Chamaerops humilis) Mediterranean Fan
Palms) shall be minimum 8 ft. brown trunk height.
2. The 4 queen Palms at each of the main driveway entrances shall be doubles minimum with
12 ft. brown trunk height minimum matched.
3. The 48 inch box Ficus tree shall be replaced with an alternative tree. The selection of the
tree shall be reviewed by Community Services Department for approval.
4. Submit final landscape and irrigation plans to Community Services Department for approval.
Final plans to include City required inspection notes.
5. Exterior building finish material and color palette are approved as submitted.
6. Submit signage plans to DRC for approval.
SECOND: Mark Paone
AYES: Leonard Filner, Jack McGee, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Joe Woollett
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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5. DRC No. 3491 -ORANGE RANCH PROPERTIES
• New 5 unit detached residential subdivision
• Southeast side of Nohl Ranch Road, east of Santiago Blvd.
• DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission
• (Continued from 11/17/99)
The project was presented by the property owner Mr. Sam Hanna, and project architect Mr.
George Behnam. The project has been revised per the previous discussion, including new
building elevations to add diversity to the project. As for landscaping, one or possibly two of
existing Pine trees along the property's street frontage would be removed for construction of the
new driveway. This would be replaced with large box-sized trees for mitigation. Lighting will be
provided with 2 new acorn-shaped decorative fixtures located along the private driveway. 2
new site sections have been added to show the slope conditions of the site, and how it is
graded in relationship to the surrounding area.
Susan Secoy stated that the revised elevations are definitely an improvement over the previous
submittal.
Jack McGee asked what are the material(s) of the new wall/fence along the perimeters?
Mr. Hanna replied that it would be a combination of masonry block wall and decorative wrought
iron fencing and gate.
Mark Paone stated that although he was absent from the previous meeting, he has been
updated on the project from the meeting minutes. What type of improvements are being
proposed along the existing open flood control channel? Are there landscaping, or is it being
paved over?
Mr. Hanna replied that the use of rip-rap is being proposed for this project. (Approximately 4 to
5 ft. in height depending on the hydrology report).
Leonard Filner stated that the submitted landscape plans do not show the entire site. As stated
during the previous meeting, the plans must indicate all existing trees that are to remain, and
the ones that are to be removed. Mitigation measure must include replacement at a one to
one ratio, 36 inch box size minimum.
Mr. Hanna replied that the existing landscaping for the remainder of the site will essentially be
unchanged.
Mark Paone stated that although on-site parking is a land use issue that's usually handled by
the Planning Commission, the lack of visitor parking could have an impact on the aesthetics of
this project. This is particularly important because street parking is prohibited along Nohl Road.
There are also safety concerns as the site plan shows no pedestrian access. Due to these
various design constraints, perhaps the proposed development is too dense for this site.
Mr. Hanna stated that the parking provided complies with the City's parking requirements.
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Jack McGee raised concerns with the appearance of the new retaining wall along the flood
control channel, particularly from the back side as viewed by the adjoining residential
neighborhood. Perhaps some landscaping, maybe vines, can be added to cascade over the
wall to help soften the view from the south property line.
Mark Paone is still uncomfortable with the project's landscaping in relation to the overall site.
Susan stated that she would like to see a more detailed plan of the wall and fencing used
through out the project. This can be included with the applicant's submittal of the final
landscaping plans. She is comfortable with allowing the applicant to proceed forward to the
Planning Commission with their recommendation.
MOTION by Susan Secoy to recommend approval to the Planning Commission with the
following conditions:
1. Prior to issuance of building permits, submit detail plans of perimeter wall/fencing and gating
to DRC for approval.
2. Prior to issuance of building permits, submit final landscape plans to DRC for approval.
SECOND: Jack McGee
AYES: Leonard Filner, Jack McGee, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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6. DRC No. 3493 -MICHAEL & LINDA KELLER
Addition of five units on a property that contains an existing single family residence in
Old Towne
• 632 E. Culver Avenue (Contributing Structure)
• DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission
Request by City staff to defer review of this project to the next available meeting on December
22, 1999.
MOTION by Mark Paone to continue the project per the request of City staff.
SECOND: Jack McGee
AYES: Leonard Filner, Jack McGee, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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7. DRC No. 3494 -HOLY SEPULCHER CEMETERY
• Expansion of an existing cemetery to include the addition of a new mausoleum, new
crypts, expansion of burial areas, enlarging of existing maintenance buildings, and
remodeling of the entry gates.
• 7845 Santiago Canyon Road
• DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission
The project was presented by Mr. Michael Shaffer -Director of Cemeteries for the Diocese of
Orange, Mr. Brian Arie -Director of Construction, and Mr. Dan White -Architect. The proposal
is to expand the existing maintenance yard and construct new restroom facilities on the north
side. On the south side, expansion of burial grounds and addition of a new mausoleum and
crypts. The mausoleum would be constructed in two phases. The project also includes an
upgrade of the two entry gates.
The DRC expressed concerns with the phased construction of the mausoleum in terms of the
appearance of the "temporary" back wall of the building. Also, can landscaping be added
between the "future cemetery drive" and the east property boundary fence? This would help
soften the appearance of the paved road.
Community Services staff stated that based on the City's Master Plan of Recreation Trails, it
may be required that a new trail be constructed along the southerly portion of the site. The
location and design of the new trial, if required, must be clearly indicated on the plans.
Mr. Shaffer responded that there are some significant issues that need be taken into
consideration. The requirement of a recreation trail would diminish a substantial amount of
burial area in which Orange County is in short supply of.
The DRC recognize these issues and strongly suggest that the applicant work with City staff to
resolved this matter.
MOTION by Susan Secoy to recommend approval of the project in concept to the Planning
Commission with the following conditions.
1. Submit rear (east) building elevation plans of the mausoleum to show the design of the
temporary back wall for phase one construction.
2. Submit detail plan for fencing and landscape treatment along east property boundary
adjacent to the garden crypts/family estates.
3. Indicate location and detail plan of recreation trail. Applicant to work with staff to verify City
requirements.
4. Applicant has the option of returning to the DRC with revised plans prior to, OR, after the
Planning Commission meeting.
SECOND: Jack McGee
AYES: Leonard Filner, Jack McGee, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
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8. DRC No. 3495 -SHELL OIL COMPANY
New freestanding sign for an existing automotive service station, mini-mart and car
wash facility
2700 N. Santiago Blvd.
DRC Action: Final Determination
(Approved on the consent Calendar)
MOTION by Susan Secoy to approve the project subject to the following conditions:
1. The new freestanding sign shall be limited to a maximum of 25 feet in overall height per the
conditions of approval of Variance 2077-99.
SECOND: Mark Paone
AYES: Leonard Filner, Jack McGee, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Joe Woollett
ABSTAINED: None
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9. DRC No. 3496 - PORTOFIRA HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION
Addition of new gatehouse for a gated community
Portofira Way at Cannon Street
DRC Action: Final Determination
The project was presented by Phil Edmondson with Pacific Coast Architects, John McDonald
and Linda Hartman -Homeowner's Association Board members. The proposal is to construct a
small 156 sq.ft. security guard gate house at the entrance to the Portofira gated residential
community.
MOTION by Mark Paone to approve the project subject to the following conditions:
1. Windows shall be of non-reflective glass.
2. Stone, concrete cap and stucco shall match existing gate.
3. Location of guard house shall be centered between the 2 adjacent trees.
SECOND: Leonard Filner
AYES: Leonard Filner, Jack McGee, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
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10. DRC No. 3497 -LOTUS CAFE
Replacement freestanding sign for an existing restaurant
1515 W. Chapman Avenue
DRC Action: Final Determination
(Approved on the Consent Calendar)
MOTION by Susan Secoy to approve the project as submitted.
SECOND: Leonard Filner
AYES: Leonard Filner, Jack McGee, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Joe Woollett
ABSTAINED: None
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11. DRC No. 3498 -SAINT NORBERT'S CATHOLIC CHURCH
• New parish hall addition for an existing church facility
• 300 E. Taft Avenue
• DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission
The project was presented by Glen Gellatly with Bissell Architects. The proposal consists of a
new 2-story 17,300 sq.ft. parish center addition for the existing St. Norbert's Catholic Church
facility. The landscaping concept is to match the existing planting material that are currently
being used through out the site. The project has been scheduled for Planning commission
hearing on January 17, 2000.
The DRC commended the applicant for a project that is well designed and sensitive to the
existing architecture.
MOTION by Susan Secoy to recommend approval to the Planning Commission subject to the
following conditions:
1. All roof mounted mechanical equipment shall be properly screened from view.
SECOND:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
ABSTAINED
Joe Woollen
Leonard Filner, Jack McGee, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollen
None
None
None
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