1994-12-07 Final DRC MinutesCity of Orange
Design Review Board
MINUTES
Conference
Room "C"
Wednesday,
December 7, 1994
Board Members Present:
Board Members Absent
David Kent
Steven Prothero
Beau Shigetomi (Chairman)
Erika Wolfe
Robert Hornacek
Staff in Attendance: Tim Donovan, Associate Planner
Barbara Gander, Associate Planner
Howard Morris, Landscape Coordinator
Dan Ryan, Senior Planner -Historic Preservation
Administrative Session - 4: 30 P.M.
Item 1)
A motion was made to approve the minutes of the meeting held on December 7, 1994 as
recorded.
by: Steven Prothero
2nd by: David Kent
ayes: David Kent, Steven Prothero, Beau Shigetomi, & Erika Wolfe
noes: None
absent: Robert Hornacek
MOTION CARRIED
Regular Session - S: 00 p. m.
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Design Review Board Minutes
December 7, 1994
Page 2
Continued Items -
Item 2)
DRB 3014 -SADDLEBACK CAR WASH (GREUBEL CO.; STEVE DONLEI~
512 W. CHAPMAN AVE.
Recommendation to Planning Commission: C.U.P. 2090-94. Planning
Commission hearing is scheduled for December 19, 1994. Acoin-operated self
serve car wash; Old Towne, Santa Fe Depot Specific Plan, Southwest
Redevelopment Project Area.
During a prior Administrative Session (on November 16), the staff and the board discussed
architectural guidelines contained within Old Towne Design Standards as well the Santa Fe Depot
Specific Plan. The applicants were represented (at this meeting) by Craig Smith.
One board member stated a general opinion that the project fit neither the intent, nor the rule, of
adopted guidelines and architectural standards. Another board member agreed, with the
rhetorical question: how does one make a car wash look appropriate to period architecture of the
1920's? From an architectural standpoint, it's a "predicament" the architect has, and has failed to
resolve.
Motion: Since the proposal is not consistent with adopted guidelines, the board would not
recommend approval of the site plan, building elevations, or landscaping plans.
by: David Kent
2nd by: Erika Wolfe
ayes: David Kent, Steven Prothero, Beau Shigetomi, & Erika Wolfe
noes: None
absent: Robert Hornacek
MOTION CARRIED
(Continued on the following page)
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Design Review Board Minutes
December 7, 1994
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Item 2)
DRB 3014 -SADDLEBACK CAR WASH (GREUBEL CO.; STEVE DONLEI~
512 W. CHAPMAN AVE.
(Continued from the previous page)
Staff Recommendations & Requirements
SHEET 3. LANDSCAPE PLAN:
Existing Cinnamomum camphora, Camphor Tree, City street tree at front of site in
R.O.W. shall remain. Relabel Cupaniopsis anacardiodes, Carrotwood Tree, in City tree
well.
• Provide the following note:
NOTIFY COMMUNITY SERVICES DEPARTMENT, (714)744-5596, FOR
LANDSCAPE INSPECTION PRIOR TO EXCAVATION OF PLANTING PITS FOR
PLANT MATERIAL, CITY STREET TREES, AND SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. 48
HOURS NOTICE REQUIRED.
Indicate plant material size and quantities on plan.
SHEET 4, IRRIGATION PLAN:
• Provide symbol for each remote control valve indicting station number or sequence, valve
size and GPM.
All irrigation piping under any paving shall be sleeved in Schedule 40 PVC and indicated
on plan.
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December 7, 1994
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Item 3)
DRB 3015 -JIFFY LURE (RICHARD HYNAN)
439 W. KATELLA AVE.
Lube and oil change facility on a pad at the "Home Depot" center; M-2 (Industrial)
District, Northwest R.P.A.
During the Administrative Session, the staff and the board discussed the building setback, landscaping
and site planning requirements. The Environmental Review Board has considered several alternative
versions of the site plan. However, this was the version that was eventually approved and is preferred
by the City Traffic Engineer, given existing conditions, restraints and vehicular stacking requirements
for this use.
During the regular session, the applicants were represented by Ernesto Ramirez and Richard Hynan.
Mr. Ramirez pointed out that new modifications have been made to the site plan. There is more
landscaping across the front, and an opening has been created for better circulation behind the
building. Changes to building elevations include elimination of the mansard, partial construction of
parapet walls (around the office and waiting room), and a slopped roof with a relatively higher eave
line around auto service bays. Mr. Rameriz feels that the building is now more compatible with other
development in the shopping center, most notably the Jack-in-the-Box building, which is also a
freestanding building located on a pad.
The board felt that greater architectural detail is needed along south and east building elevations. The
board was especially concerned that a break between mechanical service bays and the customer
waiting area should be strongly emphasized. Building elevations show a hard edge where the
customer waiting area ends. A corner is implied. However, the site plan indicates that both walls are
on the same plane, and would therefore be flat. It would benefit the building to pull the customer
waiting area toward the front, with the service portion of the building in recess. The east elevation is
also in need of some attention. It lacks "character." The board recommends plant-ons or the work be
added to enhance this prominent elevation.
(Continued on the following page)
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Item 3)
DRB 3015 -JIFFY LURE (RICHARD HYNAN)
439 W. KATELLA AVE.
(Continued from the previous page)
The applicants asked whether these modifications could be negotiated this evening and verified by
staff in plan check. The board felt that plans could not be approved at this time and would like to see
the revised plans. The applicant was also asked to submit color boards and material samples at the
next meeting.
Motion: to continue the review of this proposal until revised plans are submitted.
by: Steven Prothero
2nd by: David Kent
ayes: David Kent, Steven Prothero, Beau Shigetomi, & Erika Wolfe
noes: None
absent: Robert Hornacek
MOTION CARRIED
Staff Recommendations & Requirements
Indicate tall fescue type sod on planting legend.
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December 7, 1994
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Item 4)
DRB 3019 -SMART 8 FINAL (JOHN R/X, ARCHITECTRON/XJ
1343 E. KATELLA AVE.
Modification to the facade of the former "Builders Emporium" building; C-TR
(Limited Business) District, Tustin Street R.P.A..
The applicants were represented by John Rix, architect. Since Mr. Rix was not present at the
board's meeting last November 16, he explained why the architectural proposal was made in this
manner. The sign band is desired as an element to the facade of this building. The shopping
center is a linear construct, and existing construction limits his options as a designer. Mr. Rix
presented some alternative sketches that were variations on a proposal to build a tower between
the two large tenant spaces.
In response, the board suggested that the space between each tenant should be de-emphasized to
break the buildings in two and balance the development. One board member remarked that he
had driven by the building to get a closer look at the existing structure. He has a better
understanding of how the building is put together and the difficulties in modifying the structure,
and suggests that the architect create a whole different entry for the second tenant, since this
portion of the building does not yet exist and would require new construction. It was further
suggested that the architect replicate the entryway over the existing Sav-on store, for the sake of
continuity in design.
The architect felt that it was technically possible, and he could return to the board with a revised
plan. In the meanwhile, he asked that the board approve modifications to the "Smart & Final" half
of the building. The staff reported that it is possible to handle both tenant improvements through
separate building permits, so long as the architect's plans are prepared appropriately, and satisfy
the building division requirements. The board was willing to grant this request, so long as revised
plans are submitted promptly.
(Continued on the following page)
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Item 4)
DRB 3019 -SMART 8 FINAL (JOHN RIX, ARCHITECTRON/XJ
1343 E. KATELLA AVE.
(Continued form the previous page)
Motion: to approve scheme "A" of the building elevations, from gridlines 5 through 9 in
plan view (Architect's plan, Page A-1). The applicant shall revise plans and
submit them for review during the next meeting. (December 21, 1994).
The architect agreed that plans would be available for that meeting.
by: Steven Prothero
2nd by: Erika Wolfe
ayes: David Kent, Steven Prothero, & Erika Wolfe
noes: None
absent: Robert Hornacek
abstain: Beau Shigetomi
MOTION CARRIED
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December 7, 1994
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New Proposals -
Item S)
DRB 3021 -CHAPMAN MEDICAL CENTER
(ORNDA HEALTHCORP; GARY UNDERWOOD)
2601 E. CHAPMAN AVE. (N.E.C. YORBA ST.)
Recommendation is sought concerning future applications to seek approval of a
Conditional Use Permit and a Variance. Freestanding signs and wall signs are
proposed for existing hospital; C-1 (Limited Business District), Tustin Street
R.P.A.
The applicant was represented by Gary Underwood, who presented the entire sign program.
While the staff will process this proposal through a conditional use permit as a "freeway sign," the
intent is that the sign be visible upon exit from the freeway. As Mr. Underwood pointed out, a
motorist existing the Newport Freeway at Chapman Avenue, eastbound, must cross three lanes of
traffic in a relatively short distance to make a left turn into the hospital. The applicant would like
to take advantage of a large wall mass to afford greater visibility, and identification.
The board replied that they have no problem with the overall sign program, except for the one
larger sign on the east elevation. The scale of the sign is not proportionate to the size of the
building. Even with an intent to be visible from the freeway offramp, the sign is larger than it
needs to be.
Motion: to approve all signs within the sign program that presently conform to the city's
sign code. However, the board recommends that the larger sign be approved only
if the upper row is reduced to a maximum height of 36 inches, the middle row is
reduced to a maximum height of 24 inches, while the lower row may remain at 14
inches. Plans should also be revised to that the sign is vertically centered on this
elevation.
by: Steven Prothero
2nd by: David Kent
ayes: David Kent, Steven Prothero, Beau Shigetomi, & Erika Wolfe
noes: None
absent: Robert Hornacek
Adjournment: 7: 00 P. M.