1994-09-07 Final DRC MinutesCity of Orange
Design Review Board
MINUTES
Conference
Room "C"
Wednesday,
September 7, 1994
Board Members Present: Robert Hornacek
David Kent
Steven Prothero
Beau Shigetomi (Chairman)
Erika Wolfe
Board Members Absent: None
Staff in Attendance: Jim Donovan, Associate Planner
Howard Morris, Landscape Coordinator
Dan Ryan, Senior Planner -Historic Preservation
Joan Wolff, Senior Project Planner
Administrative Session - 4:00 P.M.
Item 1)
A motion was made to approve the minutes of meetings held on September 7, 1994 as recorded.
by: Steven Prothero
2nd by: Robert Hornacek
ayes: Robert Hornacek, Steven Prothero, and Beau Shigetomi
noes: None
abstain: David Kent and Erika Wolfe
MOTION CARRIED
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Design Review Board Minutes
September 7, 1994
Page 2
Regular Session - S: 00 p. m.
Continued Items -
Item 2)
DRB 2993 - B.A. PROPERTIES (CULBERTSON, ADAMS & ASSOCIATES)
TRACTS 14983, 14984 AND 14985 - "CRAWFORD HILLS" (OR JONES RANCH)
Recommendation to Planning Commission concerning building elevations, landscaping
plans proposed as modifications to a previously approved residential tract; R-1 and R-2
Districts.
The spokesman for this project was Kevin Canning, who introduced representatives from all companies that
were related to the development. Mr. Canning provided an overview of the general layout, and more detailed
descriptions of entry detail, landscaping plans, and "product type". Cross-sectioned drawings of Crawford
Canyon Road were also presented.
One of the board members asked how much land vas left in between the edge of Crawford Canyon Road and
residential development. The comprehensive plan is of a large scale, but some of the space between building
pads and the street is quite restrictive. Mr. Canning replied that these narrow portions would amount to a
minimum distance of eight (8) feet between the curb and the garden wall. The board would like to see
continuous landscaping planters between the walls and sidewalks.
Landscape plans have changed significantly because the grading plans are different where the townhouses and
condominiums were once proposed. The slope along the eastern side of Crawford Canyon Road has been
eliminated by changes in grading plans that will create a bench for the entire "Cottages" tract with an
intermediate slope do«~i toward the "Village".
The Community Services staff reported to Mr. Canning that they are concerned about the landscape
maintenance responsibility along both sides of Crawford Canyon Road. Mr. Canning replied that while
homeowners associations would be responsible for landscaping on the eastern side, the applicant is not
proposing a landscape maintenance district or homeowner association care for the western side of Crawford
Road. The staff reports that they do not currently have the resources to care for this portion of the project.
Another board member was concerned about the minimal space proposed between buildings within
condominium developments. Mr. Horace Hogan provided a response. The detached condominium is a
relatively new concept. While it is not the same as a conventional single-family residential subdivision, this
type of development has proven to be a successful alternative to attached condominium products.
(Continued on the following page)
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Item 2)
DRB 2993 - B.A. PROPERTIES (CULBERTSON, ADAMS & ASSOCIATES)
TRACTS 14983, 14984 AND 14985 - "CRAWFORD HILLS" (OR JONES RANCH)
(Continued from the previous page)
Motion: to recommend approval of the project. A final landscape and irrigation plan shall be
submitted prior to issuance of a building permit.
by: Robert Hornacek
2nd by: David Kent
ayes: Robert Hornacek, David Kcnt, Steven Prothero, Beau Shigetomi, & Erika Wolfe
noes: None
MOTION CARRIED
Staff Recommendations & Requirements
Plant Palette: The use of Pyrus kawakamii, Evergreen Pear, as a small domed flowering accent
tree is not recommended since it is highly susceptible to Fireblight Disease. Staff recommends the
selection of Pyra~s calleryana species, which are more disease resistant.
• Provide City parkway trees along Crawford Canyon Road:
Species: Lagerstroemia indica 'Redfern', Crape Myrtle
Size: 15 gallon standard (minimum)
Spacing: 45 feet o.c. (maximum)
Staking: One 3" lodge pole, 2 each corded tire ties
Root Barrier: Deep Root Corp.
Provide landscape notes as required by Community Services Department.
• Any irrigation crossings under the roadway within the public right-of--way shall be shown Public
Works Street Improvement Plans.
• Any landscape slope areas adjacent to open space shall comply with City of Orange Fire
Department fuel modification requirements.
• All irrigation systems shall be designed with only one P.O.C. per City Water Department
requirements.
(Continued on the following page)
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Item 2)
DRB 2993 - B.A. PROPERTIES (CULBERTSON, ADAMS & ASSOCIATES)
TRACTS 14983, 14984 AND 14985 - "CRAWFORD HILLS" (OR JONES RANCH)
(Continued from the previous page)
Staff Recommendations & Requirements
(continued)
All landscaping within project boundaries shall be maintained by a Home Owners Association.
Indicate recreation trail on plan per City Recreation Trails Master Plan. Trail shall be constructed
per City standards.
The Community Services Department would like to remind the applicant that a previous condition
for the development (Tentative Tract 13529) required the developer(s) to provide landscaping
along the west side of Crawford Canyon Road and that it shall be maintained by a Home Owners
Association or Landscape Maintenance Assessment District. Community Services will require this
issue to be resolved prior to the issue of grading and building permits.
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Item 3)
DRB 2880 -COUNTRY HARVEST BUFFET
1875 N. TUSTIN ST. (NORTH OF TAFT, SOUTH OF GROVE AVE.)
Wall signs proposed through variance application for height exceeding 24 inches; C-TR,
or Limited Business District, Tustin Street Redevelopment Project Area.
The board remarked that it appears the "Harvest Buffet" people do not wish to modify their trademark sign to
fit the building, although the size of sign has been reduced. While the board considers the sign to be difficult to
read --- or somewhat unrefined --- the smaller sign is an acceptable alternative.
Motion: to approve this revised proposal as submitted, subject to application, review and approval
by the Zoning Administrator.
by: Erika Wolfe
2nd by: Robert Hornacek
ayes: Robert Hornacek, David Kent, & Erika Wolfe
noes: Beau Shigetomi
abstain: Steven Prothero
MOTION CARRIED
Staff Recommendations and Requirements
The board's approval satisfies only one requirement of Orange Municipal Code Chapter 17.96.
Since the proposal is not consistent with standards in the sign code, the applicant must submit an
application for a Variance before a building permit will be issued.
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New Proposals -
Item 4)
DRB 2942 - RANDALL WILSON (GEOFF MALONEY)
194 S. PINE ST. (N.E.C. AT ALMOND AVE.)
Landscape and irrigation plans for construction of 2 new residential units; R-2, or
Residential Duplex District and Old Towne District.
Motion: to approve the landscape and irrigation plans subject to the following changes:
A) A114-inch pots shall be replaced by one gallon containers.
B) The Pyrus trees along Almond Avenue shall be replaced by Magnolia
Grandiflora "St. Mary"
C) The area within the front yard, at the northeast corner of the site, shall include at
least five, 5 gallon plants, in addition to the Frageria.
D) 1804 sprinklers shall be upgraded to 1806.
by: Steven Prothero
2nd by: Erika Wolfe
ayes: Robert Hornacek, David Kent, Steven Prothero, Beau Shigetomi, & Erika Wolfe
noes: None
MOTION CARRIED
Staff Kecommendations & Kequirements
• Staff recommends changing Rain Bird 1804 Series pop-up sprinklers in turf areas to 1806 heads.
Tall fescue turf tends to grow above 1804 sprinkler between mowing cycles which blocks the spray
pattern and results in stress areas occurring in the lawn.
• Change Prunus cerasifera 'Krauter vesuvius', Purple Leafed Plum trees along Almond Avenue to
designated City street tree, Magnolia Grandiflora "St. Mary", Southern Magnolia (standard).
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Item S)
DRB 2990 - MICHAELS / LC.I. DEVELOPMENT CORP.
1812 E. KATELLA AVE.
Wall signs proposed through variance application for height exceeding 24 inches;
C-TR, or Limited Business District, Tustin Street Redevelopment Project Area.
The Zoning Administrator will consider the proposal on September 8, 1994.
While the board appreciates the difficulty in reading a sign at such a distance as that between this building
and the public street, the board considers this proposal to be excessive. The wall sign resembles a
billboard. The applicant was represented by Dana Cardone. He stated that Michael's has their standards,
and desires that the wall sign be approved as submitted.
The board replied that while it may be reasonable to grant exceptions to the rule that limits the height of
letters on a wall sign, it does not approve any attempt to exceed the maximum area that is permitted by
code. The size of the retail space makes this a major tenant, and the underlying element is large enough to
receive a bigger sign, but not to the extent that is proposed. The applicant was asked to revise plans and
submit them for review at a later date. The applicant replied that he would rather obtain a final, conclusive
decision. The board replied that the Design Review Board ordinance allows the flexibility to appeal either
a continuance or a denial.
Motion: to continue review of this item until such time as revised plans are submitted for review.
by: Robert Hornacek
2nd by: Erika Wolfe
ayes: Robert Hornacek, David Kent, Steven Prothero, & Erika Wolfe
noes: None
abstain: Beau Shigetomi
MOTION CARRIED
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Item 6)
DRB 2991- DANNY F. SHIELDS (R.C. COLIN CO.)
433 E. LA VETA AVE.
Second story addition, other modifications to garage for a single family residence;
R-2 and Old Towne Districts.
The board generally determined that this proposal needed "to be re-studied". The second story is
overwhelming on such a small building. The board discussed a number of solutions that would reduce the
bulk and mass of the structure, including: reducing the floor area, lowering the ridgeline, adding windows
and trim that would divide the monolithic appearance of the structure.
Motion: to continue the review of this item until such time as revised plans are prepared and
submitted for review.
by: Erika Wolfe
2nd by: Steven Prothero
ayes: Robert Hornacek, David Kcnt, Steven Prothero, Beau Shigetomi, & Erika Wolfe
noes: None
MOTION CARRIED
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Item 7)
DRB 2994 -CHEVRON, U.S.A.
2844 SANTIAGO BLVD. (NEWPORT FWY. AT NOHL RANCH RD.)
"Freeway sign" proposed at an auto service station, and a modification to the existing sign,
limited to include new price sign; C-TR, Limited Business District, Tustin Redevelopment
Project Area. The Planning Commission will consider this proposal on October 17, 1994.
The board had questions about ordinance requirements that pertain to this proposal. Staff briefly discussed
the provision that allows "freeway signs". In addition to any freestanding sign that is permitted by code, a
business that is within 1/8 mile of the freeway may apply for a Conditional Use Permit to allow increased
height and display area to no specific limitations. The applicant has proposed a sign to height of "up to
100 feet" and a display area of approximately 164 square feet. The ordinance further states that an
applicant should demonstrate a need.
The applicant was represented by Bob Fiscus. The board asked whether visibility was a problem at this
location. Is the property lower or higher than the freeway? Mr. Fiscus was unsure, but felt that there were
a number of other factors that complicated visibility including the nearby freeway interchange, the terrain,
and the bridge over Lincoln-Nohl Ranch Road. The board also noted there is a legal non-conforming sign
at the entrance to the site. It is substantially taller than the City's current 15 foot height limit.
Motion: Should the Planning Commission approve the request, the board recommends the
following conditions:
A) Existing wall signs on the service station's chimney element will be removed,
as volunteered by the applicant.
B) The board suggests that any new sign should not exceed the height of the
existing sign, or should otherwise be limited to a height of 30 or 40 feet. (The
applicant states that Chevron is not necessarily proposing a 100 foot high
sign, and may be willing to compromise.)
C) The face (or amount of display area) should be reduced in proportion to the
sign's height.
D) The height of the existing non-conforming sign should be reduced to meet
current standards, including 8'-0" of vertical clearance beneath the sign at its
present location.
by: Robert Hornacek
2nd by: Erika Wolfe
ayes: Robert Hornacek, David Kent, Steven Prothero, Beau Shigetomi, & Erika Wolfe
noes: None
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Item 8)
DRB 2995 -CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL OF ORANGE COUNTY
455 S. MAIN ST. (NORTH OF LA VETA)
750 square-foot canopy (with signs) proposed at entry of existing hospital building; P-I, or
Public Institution District, Southwest R.P.A.
Motion: to approve the proposal as submitted.
by: David Kent
2nd by: Steven Prothero
ayes: Robert Hornacek, David Kent, Steven Prothero, Beau Shigetomi, & Erika Wolfe
noes: None
MOTION CARRIED
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Item 9)
DRB 2997 - K & D INVESTMENT, INC. (DON CHEW)
1432 N. MAIN ST. (NORTH OF KATELLA)
67,000 square-foot industrial/commercial recreation and restaurant building; M-2, or
Industrial District, Northwest R.P.A. The Planning Commission will consider this
proposal on October 17, 1994.
Motion: to recommend approval of building elevations as presented. Final landscape and
irrigation plan must be submitted for review and approval by the Design Review
Board.
by: Steven Prothero
2nd by: Erika Wolfe
ayes: Robert Hornacek, David Kent, Steven Prothero, Beau Shigetomi, & Erika Wolfe
noes: None
MOTION CARRIED
Staff Recommendations & Requirements
• Provide designated City street tree
Species: Cullistemon citrinus, Lemon Bottlebrush
Size: 15 gallon standard (minimum)
Spacing: 45 feet o.c. (maximum)
Staking: One 3" lodge pole, 2 each corded tire ties
Root Barrier: Deep Root Corp.
• Submit final landscape and irrigation plans to the Design Review Board per DRB
Guidelines.
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Item 10)
DRB 2998 - SOUTHLAND CORP., 7-ELEVEN STORE NO. 26764
4427 E. CHAPMAN AVE. (N.W.C. AT HEWES ST.)
Wall sign; C-1 District, El Modena-Chapman Avenue Improvement Plan.
During the Administrative Session, the staff pointed out that the site is located within the East Chapman-El
Modena improvement planning area, which has specific architectural guidelines. The board reviewed
photographs of the existing development, noting that the building is part of shopping center with a
comprehensive design that was intended to satisfy those guidelines in the El Modena plan.
The application was presented by Kimber Clark and Tony Steenolsen. The board's first comments were
that this was a "generic plan". It does not fit the building. Plans were prepared from an office in Georgia,
without reference to existing construction. The board further discussed El Modena guidelines with the
applicant's representatives. Mr. Steenolsen was unaware that this building was located within a thematic
area. The board recommends that the proposed sign panel be limited in vertical dimension to the space
between horizontal accent bands, which are raised approximately 2 to 4 inches from the building. The
horizontal dimensions should also be limited to the distance of the space over existing windows.
Motion: to continue the review of this item until such time as revised plans are prepared and
submitted for review.
by: Robert Hornacek
2nd by: Steven Prothero
ayes: Robert Hornacek, David Kent, Steven Prothero, Beau Shigetomi, & Erika Wolfe
noes: None
MOTION CARRIED
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Item 11)
DRB 2999 -GERUND ALTENDORF (ROBERT D. MILLHOLLIN, G.C.)
144 S. CAMBRIDGE ST.
Proposed front porch enclosure; R-l, Old Towne District.
The board briefly reviewed plans with the applicants, as they were somewhat difficult to understand. The
Altendorfs were present and were assisted by Robert Millhollin, their contractor. The board also reviewed
photographs of the existing structure.
It was explained that the board often required design and construction of a front porch for all residential
projects in the Old Towne District. Old To~ine design guidelines require that the board consider "details
and historic character of the architectural grammar" and "entranceway treatments". Approval of this
proposal would be inconsistent with those goals.
The applicants asked whether this meant their proposal was being denied. The board replied that the
proposal may be approved if modified to architectural detail that defines the front entry. The existing
porch may be enclosed if the applicant were to propose a roof extension, new columns and a landing, so
long as the set back requirement and design criteria can be sustained. The applicant inquired as to their
rights to appeal.
11~Iotion: to continue the review of this proposal until such time as revised plans are prepared
and submitted for review.
by: Robert Hornacek
2nd by: Erika Wolfe
oyes: Robert Hornacek, David Kent, Steven Prothero, Beau Shigetomi, & Erika Wolfe
noes: None
MOTION CARRIED
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Item 12)
DRB 3000 - BURNETT DEVELOPMENT CORP. -TRACT 14752
SANTIAGO CREEK, BETWEEN TUSTIN AND CAMBRIDGE STREETS
Preliminary landscaping plan for creek improvements associated with subdivision and
development of the 20-acre site.
The application was presented by John Killen and Dave Closson. Staff reported that the focus of review
was to satisfy requirements contained within a specific condition of the tract's approval. The board asked
whether the applicants intended to do a tree survey. Mr. Closson replied that some of the trees would be
saved along the south edge of the project site. The board also expressed concerns about dual fencing that
may occur along the southern property line, where existing home owners may have individual fences
adjacent to a planned chain link fence.
The Planning staff expressed a desire to review a more comprehensive proposal. This plan does not fully
address requirements contained within the condition of approval. The proposal is therefore incomplete.
The Community Services staff reports that they have a number of issues they would like to discuss with the
applicant before landscaping plans are approved.
The applicants report that their planting palette may be changed as a result of negotiations with the County
of Orange. The board informed the applicants that a more detailed plan should be prepared and submitted
for review.
No motion was made and no action taken.
Staff Recommendations & Requirements
Prior to final approval of this conceptual planting plan the Community Services Department requests
the applicant meet with City staff to discuss and negotiate the following:
A. Creek Channel Improvements
B. Landscaping and Irrigation
C. Establishment of a Landscape Maintenance District (LMD)
D. Developer agreement for park land dedication or fees in lieu of land
E. Recreation development
Adjournment: 7:40 P. M.