1994-04-20 Final DRC MinutesCity of Orange
Design Review Board
MINUTES
Conference
Room "C"
Wednesday,
April 20, 1994
Board members present: Robert Hornacek, David Kent, Steven Prothero,
Beau Shigetomi and Erika Wolfe
Staff in attendance: Jim Donovan, Howard Morris and Dan Ryan
Administrative Session - 4:00 P. M.
Item 1)
Review the minutes for a meeting held on April 6, 1994, and preview applications on
this agenda.
A request was made on behalf of the applicant to modify Item 2, letter D, to eliminate
the voluntary statement that turf block would be utilized for the emergency access road.
The applicant is actually proposing a decomposed granite surface.
The board expressed some concern about the instability of sub-soil under decomposed
granite. Vehicle tires will create ruts in the surface. The Community Services staff
reports that they have developed a standard for decomposed granite service roads that
requires a minimum gravel base of 4 to 6 inches. If the applicant agrees to observe this
standard, the board will allow the use of decomposed granite.
In regard to Item 8 (DRB 2965), the staff is reminded that the applicant and the board
agreed upon a wall sign that would be painted on a wood surface, surrounded by a
border, and mounted to the side of the building in the same location.
A motion was made to approve the meeting minutes after the appropriate revisions are
made.
by: Erika Wolfe
2nd: Steven Prothero
ayes: David Kent, Steven Prothero, Beau Shigetomi and Erika Wolfe
noes: None
abstained: Bob Hornacek
MOTION CARRIED
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April 20, 1994
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Regular Session - 5:00 p. m.
Final Items -
Item 2)
DRB 2961: TRACT 14855; PACIFIC RIDGE PARTNERS
PERALTA HILLS- SOUTH OF VIA ESCOLA, WEST OF LOMA ST.
Building elevations, landscape and irrigation plans for amulti-family residential
project; P-C zoning classification; "Southridge" Planned Community.
The applicant was represented by Bill Wolsborn. The board asked the applicant to indicate
which of the elevations pertained to each of the buildings shown on the site plan. The
applicants have also provided a cross section of Via Escola to indicate the amount of
landscaping that would be provided between the sidewalk and the perimeter wall. The board
also inquired as to the proposed surface of the Fire Department's access road. The applicant
replied that decomposed granite would be used, and the road could be installed to the
specifications of the Community Services Department (as well as the Fire Department). Mr.
Wolsborn confirmed that tempered glass would be used within sound walls, rather than
Plexiglas.
The board made some suggestions about the entry ways for buildings B and C. Basically, the
board felt that overhead clearance was somewhat excessive, and horizontal elements could be
increased in bulk and mass, to reduce the scale of this element of the buildings. The board
stipulates that the suggestion is intended as a constructive one. The plans need not be
revised, if desired.
Motion: to approve the proposal as submitted.
by: Steven Prothero
2nd: Erika Wolfe
ayes: Bob Hornacek, David Kent, Steven Prothero, Beau Shigetomi and Erika Wolfe
noes: None
MOTION CARRIED
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Continued Reviews -
Item 3)
DRB 2959: I.C.I. HOLDINGS /MERCER CONSTRUCTION CO.
1602-1612 E. KATELLA AVE. (S.E. CORNER AT TUSTIN ST.)
Revised building elevations, color scheme and planter plan for the renovation of
a large (36,000 square-foot) retail building; C-TR, or Limited Business District,
Tustin Street Redevelopment Project Area.
This item was erroneously placed on the agenda by staff. The applicant has requested that
the proposal be withdrawn until revised and submitted for review at a later date.
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Item 4)
DRB 2966: I.C.I. HOLDINGS / MUSIL PERKOWITZ RUTH, INC.
2512-2642 E. CHAPMAN AVE. (S.E.C. AT YORBA ST.)
Recommendation: building elevations and preliminary landscaping plan
associated with Variance 1968 and Environmental Statement 1455; the
proposed expansion of a Lucky's supermarket, and an ancillary fagade
renovation for the existing multi-tenant commercial spaces. C-1, Limited
Business District.
The applicants were represented by Carole Belle and Michael Heinrich, project architect. The
staff delivered a brief presentation about the project. The applicant proposes to increase only
the existing supermarket, although substantial revisions are proposed to the facade of the
multi tenant commercial building's shell. Signs are not a part of this proposal. The applicant
will submit a sign program at a future date, if the project is approved. A variance is requested
because the proposal does not have adequate parking or landscaping, according to Orange
Municipal Code requirements. During staff's site plan review, the City Engineer determined
that a dedication of property would be required for improvements in the public right-of-way.
The applicant's site plan has been revised, and now includes more landscaping than originally
proposed. The project would also require relocation of an existing ficus tree.
Ms. Belle explained the economic goals of the project. Essentially, Lucky's feels that the store
must be expanded if they are to remain competitive. The existing facility is somewhat
antiquated, and substantially smaller than newer supermarkets in the vicinity. Mr. Heinrich
presented colored elevations and building material samples. The new facade would
incorporate a good deal of genuine slate, when finished. The architectural intent is to
subdivide the existing monolithic forms by integrating "village" design elements. Relocation of
the ficus tree was also discussed. The applicant has a contract with an arborist that has
experience in transplanting large trees of this species. The contractor would excavate a
trench, box and prune the root base, and slide the tree along rails to its new location. The job
would be bonded for a period of three years to ensure that the tree survives. Landscaping
plans will include the same species of tree at the west entrance of the shopping center, on
Yorba Street.
The board identified two general concerns about proposed elevations:
• Supermarket walls are somewhat bleak on the north- and west- facing elevations.
• The "village" concept is difficult to read on these elevations.
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Item 4)
DRB 2966: I.C.I. HOLDINGS / MUSIL PERKOWITZ RUTH, INC.
(Continued from the previous page.)
After some discussion with the applicant, the board suggests that final building elevations are
prepared to satisfy the following comments, if the project is approved.
A) Some attention is required where the four panels comprise a western facade for
the proposed supermarket expansion. The applicant will erect a trellis between
each of the columns, and a narrow (2'-0" approx.) planter will be provided along
the foundation. Vines will be planted and trained to grow upward.
B) Illustrative renderings suggest a depth of shadow within the supermarket's north
elevation. These elements should extend at least 8 to 12 inches in base relief,
on final elevations. Additionally, these architectural elements should be
extended above the roof line, to compliment the "village" concept for the multi-
tenant commercial building.
C) "Village" elements for the multi-tenant center must be reconsidered. The board
expressed some reservations about the integration of this theme with the
existing architecture. There is some modulation to the existing structure, where
the roof is designed as a horizontal block that overhangs glass store fronts.
Essentially, the building already has an exaggerated roof that was designed
during a different era, and the board is concerned that new elements would
make the building appear top heavy. The problem is especially apparent at the
west (end) elevation of the multi-tenant building. The board recommends that
vertical components be extended down to grade, although the applicant states
that they wish to avoid the creation of compartments, or partitions along the
walkway.
D) Building elevations and landscaping plans shall be prepared and submitted for
final review, if the project is approved. A sign program is also required.
Motion: to extend preliminary approval of the project elevations, subject to (1) review
and approval by Planning Commission and (2) a final submittal to the Design
Review Board.
by: Bob Hornacek
2nd: Steven Prothero
ayes: Bob Hornacek, David Kent, Steven Prothero, and Erika Wolfe
noes: None
abstain Beau Shigetomi
MOTION CARRIED
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Item 4)
DRB 2966: I.C.I. HOLDINGS / MUSIL PERKOWITZ RUTH, INC.
(Continued from the previous page)
Staff Recommendations & Requirements
• Submit final landscape and irrigation plans to the Design Review Board per DRB
Guidelines.
• Box and relocate historical Ficus austrlias tree as required by the City.
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Item 5)
DRB 2967: DOLLAR RENT-A-CAR / C & C SIGNS
1108 E. KATELLA AVE. (WEST OF CAMBRIDGE ST. AT CALIFORNIA DR.)
Wall sign that is not consistent with an adopted sign program; C-P, or
Commercial-Professional District.
The applicant was represented by Chris Canzone, who briefly explained the proposal. The
board replied that they could not accept a wall sign proposal that extends beyond the wall of
the building. Furthermore, a "can" sign would not be appropriate for this shopping center,
which has a sign program that requires individual channel letters. The board suggested two
alternatives that would combine individual channel letters with a smaller "can" sign to portray
the corporate logo. As a policy (and as part of the approved sign program), the board will
accept smaller cabinet signs that are used for the logo so long as the area does not exceed
25% of the wall sign's area.
Motion: to continue the review of this proposal until plans are revised and submitted for
review at a later date. The applicant has the option to prepare a revised
proposal that meets all criteria of the existing sign program. Such a proposal
may be reviewed and approved by staff.
by: Erika Wolfe
2nd: Bob Hornacek
ayes: Bob Hornacek, David Kent, Steven Prothero, Beau Shigetomi and Erika Wolfe
noes: None
MOTION CARRIED
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Item 6)
DRB 2968: BOOT BARN /BRUCE PATTERSON
607 N. TUSTIN ST. (NORTH OF WALNUT AVE. AT ROSE AVE.)
Freestanding sign, wall signs for an existing retail building; C-1, or limited
Business District, Tustin Street Redevelopment Project Area.
The applicants were represented by Bruce Patterson and Ken Meany. The applicant
explained the history of the project, and claims the building suffers from a lack of visibility. The
west elevation faces Tustin Street. Because the design of the building, there is no space for a
wall sign here. The elevation is primarily comprised of glass windows and a sloping roof.
The board informed the applicant that the wall signs were larger than what is otherwise
permitted by code. Furthermore, the board feels that clipped corners do not comprise a
building elevation. The applicant is limited to one sign per building elevation, and the building
already has substantial signage on north and south elevations. The board feels that the
applicant will benefit greatly from the proposed freestanding sign, and recommends that the
height be increased, if the code will allow it. The staff replied that the applicant could obtain an
administrative adjustment permit to increase the height of the sign by two feet. However, an
opaque background is required.
The applicant and the board further discussed alternative wall signs. The applicants took the
opportunity to express some frustration about a conflict between sign code regulations and his
desire to advertise. The board suggests that the applicant simply follow the code as a guide in
making any revised proposal for wall signs.
Motion: to approve the freestanding sign, so long as it contains an opaque background
and the building's address. Wall signs must be revised and submitted for review
at a later date.
by: Bob Hornacek
2nd: Erika Wolfe
ayes: Bob Hornacek, David Kent, Steven Prothero, Beau Shigetomi and Erika Wolfe
noes: None
MOTION CARRIED
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Item 7)
DRB 2969: ORANGE-VILLA BIBLE CHURCH
1820 E. MEATS AVE. (BETWEEN TUSTIN ST. AND S.R. 55)
Recommendation: Conditional Use Permit 2066-94. Multi-purpose building
proposed as an expansion of a church; R-1, or Single Family Residential
District.
Motion: to recommend approval of the building elevations as submitted. Final plans
must be detailed to indicate that roofing material, siding, and architectural colors
are consistent with existing buildings on site.
by: Erika Wolfe
2nd: Bob Hornacek
ayes: Bob Hornacek, David Kent, Steven Prothero, Beau Shigetomi and Erika Wolfe
noes: None
MOTION CARRIED
Adjournment: 7:00 P. M.