1995-12-06 Final DRC MinutesCity of Orange
Design Review Board
MINUTE S
for Wednesday, December 6, 1995
Board Members Present:
Board Members absent:
Steve McHarris
Steven Prothero (Chair)
Beau Shigetomi
Erika Wolfe
None
Staff In attendance: Dan Ryan, Senior Planner /Historic Preservation
Jim Donovan, Associate Planner
Pat Schulz, Recording Secretary
The board met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 P.M. The meeting adjourned at
approximately 6:30 p.m.
Vern Jones, Current Planning Manager, addressed the board regarding changes in staff attending Design
Review Board meetings. Mr. Jones, stated that due to the absence of Barbara Gander, who is on
maternity leave, Dan Ryan would be replacing Jim Donovan at the meetings and overseeing agenda and
packet preparation. Mr. Jones introduced Pat Schulz as the recording secretary and explained that Pat is
not familiar with architectural terminology and has been instructed to ask questions when in doubt as to
what was said. On a trial basis, meetings will be taped to help acquaint Pat with terminology. Mr. Jones
responded that it was not staffs intent to tape for distribution to the public or the Planning Commission.
Regular Session - S: 00 P.M.
Mr. Prothero (Chair) started the meeting, and asked for comments about meeting minutes from
November 21, 1995. Board members indicated that no changes should be made to minutes.
MOTION by Erika Wolfe to approve meeting minutes as recorded.
SECOND: Steve McHarris
AYES: Steve McHarris, Steven Prothero, Beau Shigetomi and Erika Wolfe
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAIN: None
MOTION CARRIED
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Continued Items -
(1) DRB No. 3114
Union Bank Square Addition to monument sign for an office building
550 S. Main Street General Business District (C-2)
PM Realty Group Southwest Redevelopment Project Area
The applicant was represented by Stacy Dukes of Stacy Dukes Design (design consultants and
manufacturers of architectural graphics and products). Mr. Dukes presented a layout of the site and
discussed modifications to the monument sign. The top square is 42 "wide and is a lit sign with the
ribbons on the bottom of the sign 5 1/2 'wide opaque signs.
Mr. Prothero measured the sign (to scale) and it appears to be approximately 7' in height.
Ms. Wolfe inquired about the material for the base. Mr. Dukes responded that the base is concrete.
Discussion ensued regarding the three ribbon bands on the sign. It was suggested by Ms. Wolfe that the
bands be constructed close together so children couldn't climb on them and vandalize the sign. Mr.
Prothero suggested that instead of three separate bands that the sign could be one solid piece with reveals.
Mr. Dukes indicated that there would be signing on three sides of the monument and the reveals could be
painted matte off-black.
Dan Ryan asked about the colors. Mr. Dukes stated that the top portion would be white with the bands
painted a metallic aluminum color. The base would be a neutral cement color or the color of the building
wall.
Mr. Prothero stated for the record that the design document scale was one (1) inch equals one (1) foot.
MOTION by Erika Wolfe to approve the proposal as submitted in the revised plan, and based upon the
content of discussion, with the overall size of the monument sign being no larger than 7 feet tall; the top
square at 42", white and lit; the banded section (solid with reveals) painted metallic aluminum with the
reveals painted matte off-black; and the base a neutral cement color or the color of the building.
SECOND: Steven Prothero
AYES: Steve McHarris, Steven Prothero, Beau Shigetomi and Erika Wolfe
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAIN:
MOTION CARRIED
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New Proposals -
(2) DRB No. 3074
Unocal Various signs for service station with car wash
2756 N. Tustin Street Limited Business District (C-TR)
Swain Sign Tustin Street Redevelopment Project Area
Nancy Kashey, Swain Sign, presented plans for the menu board and numerous directional and
miscellaneous signs for the service station and car wash. Mr. Prothero complimented the
comprehensive sign package, stating that this eliminates a lot of questions. Upon review of the plans,
Mr. Prothero noted that plans call for illumination of the white field areas on a couple of the signs.
Mr. Prothero and Mr. Shigetomi concurred that illuminating the sign would be setting a precedent and
further stated that the background should be opaque. Mr. Shigetomi also suggested an opaque sign
with the colors reversed.
Ms. Kashey stated that the colors could not be reversed as this design and color is Unocal's trademark
logo. She further stated that the design of the trademark coupled with the shade of blue used does not
show up on an opaque background. Ms. Kashey also suggested that a second white panel could be
installed behind the white "toning down" the illuminated effect.
Mr. Prothero agreed with Mr. Shigetomi to "halo" the portion "Fast Break Express" on signs "A" and
"B", cabinet sign background painted out to match cabinet.
Ms. Kashey had great concerns with getting the signs installed so the business could open. She offered
to install the signs without electrical so the signs would not be illuminated.
Mr. Prothero doesn't feel signs "H" and "I" are necessary but are allowable if made smaller. Code
states overall height not greater than 42" and 6 sq. ft.
Dan Ryan quoted code section 17.36 stating that miscellaneous signs are not to exceed 8 sq. ft. each or
24 sq. ft. aggregate not including the menu board .
MOTION by Steven Prothero regarding the various signs was as follows:
Sign "A" -eliminate the right 1/3 portion of the sign referring to car wash; extend gray area
around the term "Fast Break Express" leaving a halo of white illuminated. The size of the sign
will be approximately 8 feet by 8 feet.
Signs "B", "C", "D" and "E" were continued and the applicant was instructed to return to the
board with revised plans on the meeting of December 20, 1995. The signs may be installed as
non-illuminated, temporary signs subject to removal and/or modification. Dan Ryan will monitor
to ensure that there is no electrical and the signs are not illuminated until such time as the signs are
approved.
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Signs "F" approved as submitted.
Signs "G", "H" and "I" (all miscellaneous signs) are approved, limited to 6 sq. ft. per sign (24
sq. ft. aggregate), maximum 42" height from grade up.
Signs "J" and "K" are approved as 24" oval signs.
SECOND: Erika Wolfe
AYES: Steve McHarris, Steven Prothero, Beau Shigetomi and Erika. Wolfe
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAIN:
MOTION CARRIED
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(3) DRB No. 3116
Islands Restaurant Monument sign installation
550 N. Tustin Street Limited Business District (C-1)
Jeff Wallace Tustin Street Redevelopment Project Area
No representative was present for discussion. Review of this item was continued until the next meeting,
on December 20, 1995. No motion was made and no action taken.