1995-07-05 Final DRC MinutesCity of Orange
Design Review Board
M I N U T E S
for Wednesday, July 5, 1995
Board Members Present:
Board Members Absent:
Steven McHarris
Beau Shigetomi
Erika Wolfe
Robert Hornacek
Steven C. Prothero, Chair
Staff attendance: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner
Barbara Gander, Associate Planner
Howard Moms, Landscape Coordinator
Patricia Schulz, Recording Secretary
Administrative Session - 4:00 P.M.
1) Review minutes of June 21, 1995 meeting;
Background information for applications listed on this agenda.
Regular Session - S: 00 P.M.
MOTION by Beau Shigetomi to approve minutes for June 21, 1995 meeting as submitted.
SECOND: Erika Wolfe
AYES: Beau Shigetomi and Erika. Wolfe
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: Steven McHarris,
ABSENT: Robert Hornacek
Steven Prothero
MOTION CARRIED
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Continued Items
2) DRB 3043 -CARL KARCHER ENTERPRISES
3510 E. CHAPMAN AVENUE
Replace channel letters on roof with cabinet signs and modify freestanding sign;
C-1 (Limited Business) District.
Beau Shigetomi: According to minutes of the previous meeting (March 22, 1995), the existing
signs are not to be re-faced, since these were approved for only temporary use. Any new wall signs
would required an architectural feature (dormer) to be built and integrated into the existing
mansard roof. An opaque background is also required by code.
MOTION by Beau Shigetomi to approve the project, subject to the following conditions:
1. A dormer shall be constructed to no higher than the existing roof line. Such dormer shall
match existing building roof material and stucco facing to match existing building.
2. An opaque background shall be provided to comply with code.
SECOND: Steven McHarris
AYES: Steven McHarris, Beau Shigetomi and Erika Wolfe
NOES: None
ABSENT: Robert Hornacek
Steven Prothero
MOTION CARRIED
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3) DRB 3055 - DANNY F. SHIELDS
433 E. LA VETA AVE.
Building plans for the reconstruction of a residential garage, with a second story
addition; Old Towne and R-2 (Residential Duplex) Districts.
Steven McHams: The drawing does not seem to be drawn to scale. The new windows and its
placement are not proportional to the building. The windows should be more of a rectangular
shape and larger. There should also be more roof overhang, perhaps 18 inches.
Erika Wolfe: The building stills seems rather large. Would like to see a height limit.
Mr. Shields: The plans are revised according to the DRB's suggestions of the previous meeting.
(Referenced to a sketch by Steve Prothero).
Chuck Lau (staff): The dimensions shown on the plans indicates the ground floor is 8ft. with a lft.
ceiling, and plus a T second floor plate height. based on the photographs of the existing house, it
appears possible to match the existing roof line while retaining an overall height of approximately
20ft. Staff would assist the applicant in making the necessary plan revisions.
Steven McHarris: The attic vent should also be wood framed and detailed the same as the existing
windows.
MOTION by Steven McHarris to approve the project subject to the following conditions:
Ground floor shall be maximum 8ft. high with a 1 ft. ceiling, and the second floor shall
have a maximum 7 ft. plate height. The roof pitch shall match the existing house, and the
overall building height shall be kept to approximately 20 ft.
2. The new windows on all sides shall be rectangular shape, and be proportionally spaced not
to exceed the height of the bottom of the second story roof overhang.
Eaves overhang on all sides shall be 18 inches.
4. Install attic vents on two sides, construction to match windows, wood framed.
SECOND: Beau Shigetomi
AYES: Steven McHarris, Beau Shigetomi and Erika Wolfe
NOES: None
ABSENT: Robert Hornacek
Steven Prothero
MOTION CARRIED
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4) DRB 3068 -PLANET KIDS
1536 E. KATELLA AVE. (AT TUSTIN SWC)
Recommendation concerning facade renovation and signs; C-TR (Limited
Business) District, Tustin Street Redevelopment Project Area. The Planning
Commission will consider this item at a later date (approval of a variance
application and conditional use permit is required).
The applicant was represented by Larry Lazar and John Killen.
Larry Lazar: Recapped the revisions made to the building's facade in response to the comments
made by the DRB on June 7, 1995. The integrity of the facade will be kept intact. They are
proposing to develop signage, add a file base to the existing block columns, and install a false front
over the existing block facade. This would enable any future building tenant to restore the
building's former appearance.
Erika Wolfe stated that the DRB's intent was to encourage that the structure be kept largely "as is,"
with new sign enhancements to the lower facade adjacent to the walkway. She thought that the
primary sign looked fine, but changes to the "bookends" do not seem appropriate. There was
subsequent discussion on retaining the "bookends" and introducing color the accent the roof line.
Beau Shigetomi: The existing cap on the roof can be painted to add some accent color. A painted
(cobalt blue) cap of 6 inches would work for the design. Neon accent lighting would also be
acceptable. Discussion then focused on the columns and the lower facade area.
John Killen (Architect) sketched suggested changes for the board's clarification. The board agreed
to a cobalt blue file base for the columns, and a sheet metal color band (pale yellow) at the soffit
line. The lower facade could be painted (violet) plaster, but not two-toned. Window and door
frames could be powder coated blue.
Erika Wolfe: Suggested that the applicant return with revised plans.
MOTION by Steven McHarris to continue this item to August 19, 1995, at which time the
applicant will return to the board with revised plans and a color elevation. Since there isn't enough
time to make these revisions prior to delivery of the packets, the board agreed to have the applicant
bring the revised plans to the next meeting.
SECOND: Beau Shigetomi
AYES: Steven McHams, Beau Shigetomi and Erika Wolfe
NOES: None
ABSENT: Robert Hornacek & Steven Prothero
MOTION CARRIED
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S) DRB 3073 - CHAPMAN UNIVERSITY
400 BLOCl4 WEST SIDE, NORTH ORANGE ST.
Landscape and irrigation plans for a parking facility proposed in conjunction with
amendment to the Chapman College Specific Plan. The Planning Commission will
consider this item on August 7, 1995.
The applicant was represented by Bob Mickelson and also Al McQuilken of Chapman University.
Bob Mickelson: At time of submittal, Chapman University owned 8 properties. Since that time,
one more property has been obtained and Chapman University is negotiating with the owners on
obtaining their property. There is a special provision in the Chapman College Specific Plan stating
that all properties on this block must be acquired before commencing with the project. The
Planning Commission will consider an amendment to the Chapman College Specific Plan on
August 7, 1995. The project will include removal or demolition of the residences purchased by
Chapman University. Existing structures (residences) will be sold at $1.00 each. Removal and
relocation of the purchased structures will be at the buyer's expense. The homes will be offered for
sale 30 days prior to the Planning Commission meeting and may be removed within 30 after City
Council approval of the amendment to the Specific Plan. Orange Street would likely be vacated to
the College, and will serve mainly as part of the parking lot.
Beau Shigetomi: Landscaping should be completed with trees that are at least 36 to 48 inch box.
The type of trees should also match that of the existing ones.
Steven McHarris: The existing incense cedar tree is shown on the plans to be removed. This is a
mature tree that should be saved if possible. Also, the 5-10 ft. landscape setback along the block
wall to the north should match the one along Orange Street
MOTION by Erika Wolfe continue this item until revisions are made that includes acquisition of
the additional property. Final landscape plans will require approval by the board.
SECOND: Beau Shigetomi
AYES: Steven McHarris, Beau Shigetomi and Erika Wolfe
NOES: None
ABSENT: Robert Hornacek
Steven Prothero
MOTION CARRIED
Staff Recommendations &Requirements --
• Submit final landscape and irrigaton plans to the Desgn Review Board per DRB guidelines.
Add/change plant material, if required by the DRB.
During development of Phase II (Sheet L-2), any City street trees to be removed shall require
approval bt the Public Works Street Tree Division.
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6) DRB 3074 -UNOCAL
2756 N. TUSTIN ST. (S. W.C. AT LINCOLN AVE.)
Recommendation: Redevelopment of an existing service station with addition of a
car wash; C-TR District, Tustin Street R.P.A. The Planning Commission will
consider this item on August 7, 1995.
The applicant was represented by Harry Erickson, a UNOCAL representative, and A.C. Atherton,
Architect.
A.C. Atherton (applicant's architect): The existing structures will be demolished. The new project
is designed with consideration to future street widening.
Chuck Lau (staff): Bernie Dennis, Traffic Engineer states that street dedication is not required at
this time, however, the project must be designed to accommodate a future 5-10 ft. right-of--way
take along Lincoln Avenue.
Beau Shigetomi: The landscape legend indicates use of eucalyptus trees. These are long trunk
trees that will not screen very well. Podocarpus are better.
MOTION by Steven McHarris to recommend approval of this project to the Planning Commission,
subject to the following conditions:
Provide hedge row to follow curve at the entrance to the car wash.
2. The use of eucalyptus trees are not recommended. Podocarpus trees are preferable.
Final landscape and irrigation plan shall return back to the board for review, subject to
issuance of building permits.
SECOND: Erika. Wolfe
AYES: Steven McHarris, Beau Shigetomi and Erika Wolfe
NOES: None
ABSENT: Robert Hornacek
Steven Prothero
MOTION CARRIED
Staff Recommendations & Requirements --
• Submit fmal landscape and irrigator plans to the Desgn Review Board per DRB guidelines.
• Add/change plant material, if required by the DRB.
• Staff recommends turf be planted in planter at intersection of Tustin and Lincoln.
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7) DRB 3075 -ORANGE HILL RESTAURANT
6410 E. CHAPMAN AVE.
Wall sign related to a retaining wall to be constructed at the entrance to an existing
restaurant; A-1 (Agricultural) District.
Erika Wolfe: What happens to the existing sign? Will the existing entry gates be moved back
further to accommodate the new entry wall?
Steven McHams: What is material of the letters on the new wall sign?
Phil Bennett -Architect: The existing gates will be relocated, and the existing freestanding sign
will remain in place and be integrated with the new entry wall. The lettering is bronze colored
lettering with a foam core backing. It will be lighted from bottom with flood lights.
Beau Shigetomi: New plantings should be provided to soften base of sign, perhaps low shrubs.
The plants should be irrigated.
MOTION by Beau Shigetomi to approve the project, subject to the following condition:
1. The area around the base of the new entry wall shall be planted with drought tolerant
planting. Landscape staff Howard Moms shall verify the irrigation system in field. PVC drip
system may be used.
SECOND: Steven McHarris
AYES: Steven McHarris, Beau Shigetomi and Erika Wolfe
NOES: None
ABSENT: Robert Hornacek
Steven Prothero
MOTION CARRIED
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8) DRB 3076 - S/STERS OF SAINT JOSEPH OF ORANGE
480 S. BATAV/A ST.
Addition of an elevator tower and a sun room on the second floor balcony; P-I
(Public Institution) District.
Applicant stated that all of the windows are being replaced by more energy efficient windows.
MOTION by Steven McHarris to approve the proposal subject to the following condition:
All new windows shall match the existing windows with regard to style and materials.
SECOND: Beau Shigetomi
AYES: Steven McHarris, Beau Shigetomi and Erika Wolfe
NOES: None
ABSENT: Robert Hornacek
Steven Prothero
MOTION CARRIED
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9) DRB 3077 - ASSEMBLY OF GOD OF OLIVE
2830 N. SNAPPER ST.
Recommendation on building elevations for a new sanctuary related to church
expansion: R-3 (Multi-Family Residential) District.
MOTION by Beau Shigetomi to recommend approval to the Planning Commission, subject to the
following condition:
Final landscape and irrigation plans shall be submitted back to the DRB for review, prior
to issuance of building permits.
SECOND: Steven McHarris
AYES: Steven McHarris, Beau Shigetomi and Erika Wolfe
NOES: None
ABSENT: Robert Hornacek
Steven Prothero
MOTION CARRIED
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10) DRB 3078 - GARRY 8 TARRY GROVES
341 N. SHAFFER ST.
Room addition to single family residence; R-2-6; (Residential Duplex), Old Towne
Districts.
Steven McHarris: Questioned the windows in the back. What is the material.
Mr. Groves: The new windows are double hung wood. Back doors will also be wood and may be
slider.
Steven McHarris: Questioned elevation. The roof line is odd, and it doesn't seem to match the
existing roof line.
Mr. Groves: The addition will follow the existing roof line.
The board complimented project.
MOTION by Steven McHa,rris to approve the proposal with the following conditions:
1. The new windows shall match the existing wood frame double hung windows.
2. The new rear patio door shall be wood, and may be french-sliding type.
SECOND: Beau Shigetomi
AYES: Steven McHarris, Beau Shigetomi and Erika Wolfe
NOES: None
ABSENT: Robert Hornacek
Steven Prothero
MOTION CARRIED
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11) DRB 3079 -FRED NANKAN/ 8 WARD M/KKELSEN (FOREST SUCHEI~
128 E. KATELLA AVE.
Two wall signs proposed as a sign program for a commercial office building; C-P
(commercial-Professional) District.
Erika Wolfe: Questioned the 30" wall sign height and stated that code limits the height to 24".
Also noted is the fact that the height of the fascia where the sign is to be installed is only 36" in
height. It was felt that the sign would be too large. There should be at least 6" clear on top and
bottom between the sign and the fascia.
Forest Suchey (applicant): It would be difficult to fit the multiple lines (4) of text into the 24"
limitation.
Beau Shigetomi: The sign has too many lines (4) of text, this would compromise the aesthetics and
composition of the sign. A maximum 2 line of text would be preferable, but it must be entirely
contained within the 24" limit. Additionally, an opaque background is also required by code.
MOTION by Erika. Wolfe to continue this item; applicant to return to the board with revised plans.
SECOND: Beau Shigetomi
AYES: Steven McHams, Beau Shigetomi and Erika Wolfe
NOES: None
ABSENT: Robert Hornacek
Steven Prothero
MOTION CARRIED
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12) DRB 3080 -TRACT 14061 (B-D CORP.) BRANDYW/NE DEVELOPMENT CO.
WESTERN TERMINUS OF MOUNTAIN AVE., NORTH SIDE OF SANTIAGO
CREEK
Building elevations and landscaping plan for an approved residential subdivision;
R-1 (Single Family Residential) District.
This item was withdrawn from this agenda. The applicant requested to postpone the project to the
next available DRB meeting, on July 19, 1995.
Adjournment: 7:00 p. m.