1996-09-04 Final DRC MinutesCity of Orange
Design Review Board
MINUTES
for Wednesday, September 4, 1996
Board Members Present: Richard Cavecche
(Arrived during discussion of first regular session agenda item)
Steven McHarris
Tim McCormack
Steven Prothero (Chair)
Robert Reilly
Board Members Absent: None
Staff in Attendance: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner
Howard Morris, Landscape Coordinator
Administrative Session - 4: 30 P.M.
The board met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 P.M. The meeting adjourned at
approximately 8:30 P.M.
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Regular Session - S: 00 P.M.
Steven Prothero opened the meeting and asked whether board members had any comments or revisions
to the meeting minutes for August 21, 1996.
MOTION by Steven Prothero to approve the minutes for August 21, 1996 with the following corrections:
DRB No. 3166 Traditional Housing, Inc.2page 5, correct conditions #4, #10, and #11 to read as follows:
4. Submit fuel modification plans to Fire Department and Department of Community Services for
approval.
10. Loosen up the trees in the transition area so they don't appear as a line of trees.
11. Use larger trees at both ends of the property for screening purposes.
DRB No. 3128 (Tonv Alves - ArchitectZpage 7, correct conditions #2 and #3 to read as follows:
2. Add vine pockets (Boston Ivy) along perimeter wall and at trash enclosure. Provide 2 vines per
tree well.
3. The "relocated" palm tree shall be shifted further south, away from the northeast corner, to create
a palm grouping.
SECOND: Robert Reilly
AYES: Timothy McCormack, Steven McHarris, Steven Prothero, and Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Richard Cavecche
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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New Proposals -
(1) DRB No. 3167
Jesse Martinez
137 S. Parker St.
Jeff Salmi
Proposed addition onto an existing residence,
and construction of a new detached, 2-story
second dwelling unit.
R-3 (Residential Multiple Family) zone
Old Towne District
Jeff Salmi, Architect, presented the project. Mr. Salmi stated that the proposed addition and the new
second unit was designed to match the existing house, which was built in 1940 and is rather eclectic in
style and is not of historical significance. Mr. Salmi also stated that the 2-story design is appropriate
since there are several other 2-story developments within this area.
The board expressed concern with the boxy appearance of the 2-story unit and that it lacked some details
of the existing house. The board also noted that the rear and north side building elevations were not
submitted.
MOTION by Steven Prothero to recommend approval of the project to the Planning Commission subject
to the following conditions:
Addition to Existing House
1. Add 4" wood trim around window and door frames to match existing.
2. All windows to be wood.
3. Add gable vents to match exiting.
4. Suggest using one single gable foot rather than the multiple gables over the additional as shown.
However, this may not be a good solution as it may increase the roof height over that of the existing
roof. The applicant is encouraged to study this further at their own discretion.
New 2-Story Unit
Add 4" wood trim around window and door frames to match existing.
2. All windows to be wood.
Add gable vents to match existing.
4. The two garages on the right side should be pushed back 12" at the lower level.
Provide two (2) arches over the two (2) garages on the right side.
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6. Add 2 x 6 wood trim to wrap around the building belt line.
7. Provide wood panel garage.
8. Provide detail of post. (suggest using larger size lumber so that it appears more substantial)
9. Guard rail shall e of standard wood picket design, 4" apart maximum.
10. Prior to issuance of building permits, final site, building and landscape plans must be submitted
back to the Design Review Board for approval. Plans must include all building elevations.
SECOND: Timothy McCormack
AYES: Richard Cavecche, Timothy McCormack, Steven McHarris, Steven Prothero, and
Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(2) DRB No. 3169
Paul R. Hudson Demolition of existing garage and replace with
212 S. Orange St. new garage and patio cover.
C-1 (Limited Business) zone
Old Towne District
Paul Hudson, property owner, presented the project. The proposal is to demolish the existing garage that
is presently attached to an adjoining neighbor's garage. The existing garage is deteriorating and
therefore needs to be replaced. The proposed new garage is larger in size (21'x32') including an open
patio area on the north elevation. The new garage is designed to match the existing craftsman style
house that was constructed in 1911 with clapboard exterior siding.
The Board expressed concern with the location of the new garage being re-attached to the neighbor's,
and having only a 1 % ft. setback from the rear property line. From a construction standpoint, this may
not be possible due to building code requirements. Also of concern is the north building elevation. The
submitted plans lacks construction detail.
MOTION by Richard Cavecche to continue this item for the applicant to submit revised plans to address
the following issues:
Applicant to consult with the Building Division for building code requirements for garage
location.
2. The north building elevation needs further refinement . Revised plans should illustrate how the
patio roof overhang is being supported. Suggest adding brick pillars at the base of the posts.
3. Recommend use of wood garage door with flat panel design. (Roll-up type with windows are
acceptable)
4.. Indicate layout of new driveway pavement on site plan.
SECOND: Robert Reilly
AYES: Richard Cavecche, Timothy McCormack, Steven McHarris, Steven Prothero and
Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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3) DRB No. 3171
George Alexander Proposed new sign program for an existing
3902-3910 E. Chapman Ave. commercial strip center.
Signage Solutions C-1 (Limited Business) zone
The project was represented by George Alexander, owner of the center, and Jack Britton, Signage
Solutions. The proposal is to replace the existing non-conforming freestanding sign, and to install new
channel letter tenant wall signs. The fascia area of the corner tenant space "Dairy Queen" would be re-
furbished with a new stucco finish to replace the existing shingles.
The board expressed concerns with the proposed colors of the new freestanding sign not being consistent
with the design of the existing building. The front planter area is void of any landscaping. Will this area
be re-planted? Also of concern is the replacement of the shingles with plaster stucco. This would detract
from the character of the building. The board also requested for an opaque background for the individual
tenant panels on the freestanding sign. Although this is not a code requirement, the board has
consistently requiring it as a policy based on aesthetic.
Mr. Alexander replied that he intends to re-sod the front planter area. In regards to the stucco finish for
the corner tenant, it was required by Dairy Queen as part of their lease agreement. The opaque sign
background would be an additional cost, but it can be done.
MOTION by Steven Prothero to approve the proposed sign program, subject to the following conditions:
Freestanding Sign:
Add 4 additional rows of the at the base of the sign to a minimum height of 25 inches from
grade.
2. Provide landscaping (annual colors) at the base of the sign and create a 2 ft. wide planter area
with a mow strip area around the plants.
Provide an opaque background. The Dairy Queen logo and ice cream cone may be illuminated.
4. The individual tenant panels shall be opaque and of the same color. The text maybe of any letter
style and color.
Wall Signs:
The proposed wall signs are approved with any color, subject to meeting all city code
requirements.
6. The existing shingles on the building fascia area shall not be replaced with stucco. (The
applicant retains the option to submit an alternative design back to the DRB if so desired)
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SECOND: Timothy McCormack
AYES: Richard Cavecche, Timothy McCormack, and Steven McHarris, Steven Prothero
and Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(4) DRB No. 3172
Nohl Ranch Auto Spa Signage review for a new service station and
2700 N. Santiago Blvd. carwash.
Maria Mitchell (G.I.S.) C-TR (Commercial -Tustin Street
Redevelopment) zone
The project was represented by Maria Mitchell, Graphic Installation Services. This is a new service
station and a full service carwash facility. The project is currently under construction and is near
completion. Due to the right-of--way take required by CalTrans/O.C.T.A. for widening of the55 freeway
and Santiago Boulevard, the placement of the new freestanding is disadvantaged. The 35 ft. high
freeway sign shown on the site plan is for illustration purposes only, and is not part of this application.
This will require the approval of a variance, prior to submittal to the DRB for review.
The board felt that the total amount of Signage being proposed for this project is significantly less than
some of the recent proposal from other service station facilities (i.e. Unocal). Tim McCormack raised
concerns with the small triangular area created between the freestanding sign and the trash enclosure. A
suggestion would be to rotate the sign to align with the trash enclosure. The board also pointed out that
as their design policy, opaque Signage background is required.
MOTION by Richard Cavecche to approve the proposed Signage, subject to the following conditions:
Freestanding Sign:
Sign background shall be opaque except for the area for pricing. The shell logo, "ETD", "100%
Hand Car Wash" and the text of the changeable message board may be illuminated.
2. Neon banding around the edges of the sign area shall not be permitted.
Recommend rotating the sign to align with trash enclosure to create a more advantages view of
the sign. (Optional)
4. This approval excludes the 35ft. high sign. (A variance must first be obtained)
Building Wall Signs:
Channel lettering "Nohl Ranch Auto Spa" approved as submitted.
6. Sign background shall be opaque. Shell logo and "Open 24 Hours" may be illuminated.
Canopy & Spandrel Signs:
7. Spandrel background shall be opaque. Shell lettering and logo may be illuminated. Down
lighting may be permitted.
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SECOND: Timothy McCormack
AYES: Richard Cavecche, Timothy McCormack, and Steven McHarris, Steven Prothero
and Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED