1996-07-17 Final DRC MinutesCity of Orange
Design Review Board
MINUTES
for Wednesday, July 17, 1996
Board Members Present: Richard Cavecche
Steven McHarris
Tim McCormack
Steven Prothero (Chair)
Board Members Absent: None
Staff in Attendance: Daniel Ryan, Senior Planner Historic Preservation
Howard Morris, Landscape Coordinator
Administrative Session - 4: 30 P.M.
The board met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 P.M. The meeting adjourned at
approximately 9:00 P.M.
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Regular Session - S: 00 P.M.
Steven Prothero (Chair) opened the meeting and noted that the minutes for the July 3, 1996 would be
available from staff at the August 7, 1996 meeting.
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Continued Items -
(1) DRB No. 3129
Unocal
5344 E. Chapman Avenue
Homes & Narver (Robert Mattox
Sign plans for a gas station with a car wash.
C-1 (Limited Business) District
Allen Cornea, an architect with Homes & Narver, presented project plans.
Steven Prothero (Chair) noted that the existing monument sign, which is incorporated in the project plan
for the new gas station with a car wash, exceeds the height code requirement of 15'-0". Various other
sign groupings exceed code as follows:
Gas pricing signs exceed the total maximum area allowed by code which is 24 sq. ft.
2. Building signage exceeds code (34 sq. ft. allowed; the project shows 37 sq. ft.)
3. Miscellaneous signage exceeds code (24 sq. ft. aggregate allowed). The board recommended
downsizing the entry and exit signs.
MOTION by Richard Cavecche to continue this item so the applicant may return with additional
information and instruction from Unocal.
SECOND: Steven Prothero
AYES: Richard Cavecche, Timothy McCormack, Steven McHarris and Steven Prothero
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(2) DRB No. 3151
Outback Taft Self Storage Self Storage Facility
SEC Taft/55 Freeway Continued revisions on Landscaping plans
Jordan-Valli Architects M-1 (Light Manufacturing) District
Todd Voelker, architect with Jordan-Valli Architects was present. Mr. Voelker stated that the applicant
has dropped the option to landscape the Cal-Trans row and that Edison will allow awin-row at the rear
property line. All planters are at least 10 ft. wide. Screening trees (15 gallon) will be planted 10'-0" on
center.
MOTION by Steven Prothero to approve preliminary plans for this item and return with final landscape
and irrigation plans, as well as signage plans, to include the following:
1. Eucalyptus windrow at 10 feet on center as indicated on the plans.
2. 25% of the trees fronting Taft Avenue at entrance shall be over 24" box.
3. Address the meadow mix of plants and maintenance.
4. Eucalyptus windrow shall be irrigated and a bark mulch or shrub mix (compatible with
eucalyptus trees) shall be provided to keep weeds under control.
NOTE: Final landscape and irrigation plans are to be based on revised preliminary landscape
plans dated 07/17/96 and shall include City required landscape notes.
SECOND: Richard Cavecche
AYES: Richard Cavecche, Timothy McCormack, Steven McHarris, and Steven Prothero.
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(3) DRB No. 3158
Jay C. Stratton
224 W. Maple St.
Continued revisions for new facade, remodel
and repairs. Old Towne District.
C-2 (General Business) District.
Jay Stratton, owner/builder, submitted revised plans and explained how the changes to the design of the
facade was appropriate "Old Towne" bungalow style.
MOTION by Steven Prothero to continue the item, plans to be submitted with the following
recommendations:
1. Draw skirts to the top of the planter elevation.
2. Extend facia overhang.
3. Modify the outrigger.
4. Drop gable vent 12" to 18".
5. Raise entry canopy gable approximately 6".
6. Caps on porch piers to be concrete.
7. Submit new front door plan.
8. Move center knee braces toward where the roof pitch changes.
9. Fiberglass/asphalt shingles approved subject to color.
10. Exterior window on other 3 elevations shall be addressed on the re-submittal based on Building
Division requirements.
11. Change middle window to a smaller single window and change window panes to multi in the upper
third.
SECOND: Timothy McCormack
AYES: Richard Cavecche, Timothy McCormack, Steven McHarris, and Steven Prothero
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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New Proposals -
(4) DRB No. 3157
Robert Tunstall Noticed Demolition -Old Towne District.
238 N. Grand Street Demolition of garage and 500 Sq. Ft. rear
Richard Anderson, Architects, Inc. porch addition, construct new garage and new
porch addition.(Multi-Family R-3 Res. District)
Rick Anderson, project architect and Mr. and Mrs. Robert Tunstall were present. Mr. Anderson
presented the plans and the applicants discussed their design requirements. The owners presented an
alternate plan with revisions to eliminate the recessed rear porch entry, modify windows and add an
additional deck off the rear porch. The board discussed roof height on the addition, with the same plate
height as the main house. The addition should repeat the bracket details on the overhang to match the
existing house. Details on the porch, deck, roof treatment, doors, windows and garage to be revised.
MOTION by Steven Prothero to continue the project for revisions, specifically addressing the following:
Raising the plate height of the roof to match the existing roof height.
2. Modifications to the deck.
3. Retain existing architectural features.
4. Add architectural features for the garage.
5. Maintain required 25'-0" backup area at garage.
SECOND: Timothy McCormack
AYES: Richard Cavecche, Timothy McCormack, Steven McHarris, and Steven Prothero
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(5) DRB No. 3159
Albertsons Freestanding and wall signs for shopping
3325 E. Chapman Ave. center.
Ontario Neon Co. C-1 (Limited Business) District
MOTION by Richard Cavecche to approve the freestanding and wall signs with the following conditions:
Opaque background.
2. Pole sign, remove blue color on vertical stripe
3. Add base on pole sign to match detail on building.
4. Height on letter field to be increased to provide required 2/3 background field for 6" letters.
5. Address to be illuminated.
6. Sign face to be 2'-0" from property line, with a minimum of 25'-0" triangle of visual clearance.
7. Staff confirm sign location on as based on ultimate street dedication.
SECOND: Timothy McCormack
AYES: Richard Cavecche, Timothy McCormack, Steven McHarris and Steven Prothero
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(6) DRB No. 3161
Ultramar Price and monument signs
2101 Orange Olive Road. Illuminated building banding.
Sign Development Inc. C-1 (Limited Business) District.
MOTION by Richard Cavecche to approve sign with the following conditions:
1. Opaque Background on dark blue and white areas.
2. Corner set back to be identified on plans.
3. Old sign foundation to be removed a minimum of 18" below grade.
4. Single canopy pole columns to be white.
5. Two pole columns to be gray color.
6. Price area to be maximum area of 24 square feet.
7. Add horizontal frame bar to bottom of price sign.
SECOND: Timothy McCormack
AYES: Richard Cavecche, Timothy McCormack, Steven McHarris and Steven Prothero
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(7) DRB No. 3162
Southern California Savings.
216 E. Chapman Ave.
Ad Impact -Juan Gonzalez
New wall signs.
Old Towne District.
C-1 (Limited Business) District
MOTION by Steven Prothero to approve the wall sign subject to the following conditions, and noting
that the building was contemporary in design and that the sign as proposed matched the building style,
but did not conform to the "Old Towne" sign criteria for downtown. The board proposed several of the
following changes to bring the sign into conformance with old towne and at the same time permit a sign
that would be appropriate to the existing facade.
New sign to have a background field.
2. Frame same depth as letter 3/4"
3. Text dark blue, background color same as building.
4. Frame depth minimum 1 to 1-1 /2 ".
5. Minimum depth on text 3/4 "
6. Maximum size to be 42 sq. ft.
7. Board made a motion that the building was in a contemporary style and that the applicants
request to use the bank's logo and angled letters was allowable in this case.
SECOND: Richard Cavecche
AYES: Richard Cavecche, Timothy McCormack, Steven McHarris and Steven Prothero
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED