1996-04-03 Final DRC MinutesCity of Orange
Design Review Board
MINUTES
for Wednesday, April 3, 1996
Board Members Present:
Board Members Absent:
Richard Cavecche
Steven McHarris
Tim McCormack
Steven Prothero (Chair)
Erika Wolfe
Staff in Attendance: Dan Ryan, Senior Planner /Historic Preservation
Howard Moms, Landscape Coordinator
Pat Schulz, Recording Secretary
Administrative Session - 4: 30 P.M.
The board met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 P.M. The meeting adjourned at
approximately 7:20 P.M.
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Regular Session - S: 00 P.M.
Mr. Prothero (Chair) opened the meeting and asked whether board members had any comments about, or
revisions to, the meeting minutes for March 20, 1996.
Jim Donovan (staff) submitted corrections as follows:
Item No. 1 DRB 3134; Century Theatres (page 4, paragraph 1)
Richard Cavecche asked whether there were any regulatory issues concerning the "sail-like" sign.
Jim Donovan (staff) stated that the fin wall does not exceed the height limit for this zone. Staff
considers it to be a wall sign, and the architect is actually responding to a desire expressed by the
Plaza Design Collaborative to see a tall landmark at this location, which is aligned with the Katella
Avenue corridor.
Richard Cavecche recalled an additional condition of approval:
Item No. 1 DRB 3134; Century Theatres (pale 4)
10. Design Review Board shall review final exterior finish treatment as well as color.
MOTION by Steven Prothero to approve the meeting minutes with the aforementioned corrections.
SECOND: Richard Cavecche
AYES: Richard Cavecche, Timothy McCormack, Steven McHarris, and Steven Prothero
NOES: None
ABSENT: Erika Wolfe
MOTION CARRIED
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Regular Session -Consent Calendar
Mr. Prothero (Chair) stated that item No. 8 on this agenda, DRB 3145, Bryan Fitzpatrick, 7009 E. Hidden
Oaks Road, appeared appropriate for approval as submitted.
MOTION by Steven Prothero to approve the proposal as submitted with one condition that the project meet
the fuel modification requirements as regulated by the Fire Department.
SECOND: Richard Cavecche
AYES: Richard Cavecche, Timothy McCormack, and Steven McHarris
NOES: None
ABSENT: Erika Wolfe
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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Regular Session - S: 00 P.M.
Continued Items -
(1) DRB No. 2927
Orange Housing Development
Corporation
500 N. Orange St.
Glen Matsui
Landscape and irrigation plans
R-3 (Residential Multiple Family) District
Glen Matsui, landscape architect, represented the applicant in presenting revised landscape and irrigation
plans and explained changes.
MOTION by Timothy McCormack to approve the following changes to landscape and irrigation plans as
follows:
1. Move tristania couferna, brisbane box away from concrete driveway.
2. Move controller to an exterior weatherproof position in the carport to the south portion of the site.
3. Modify landscaping at the corner by taking flax out and replacing with Lantana.
4. Utilize Hans ivy.
5. Add street tree and verify with Howard Morris to match the existing pecan on the street, if
possible.
6. Applicant to return to DRB with landscape and irrigation plans for final review.
SECOND: Steven McHarris
AYES: Richard Cavecche, Timothy McCormack, Steven Prothero and Steven McHarris
NOES: None
ABSENT: Erika Wolfe
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(2) DRB No. 3127
Carol & Carol Harnack
546 E. Culver Ave.
John Siller, Engineer
Final landscape and irrigation plans
R2-6 (Duplex Residential)
Old Town District
Carl and Carol Harnack presented landscape and irrigation plans.
The board discussed concerns regarding moving landscape materials (plants, shrubs and trees) from the
Orange Street site to the new Culver site. Concerns included placement of certain foliage as far as
exposure to sun and shade as well as water needs (drip vs. spray). Also of concern was the mix of certain
plants, aesthetically as well as survivability.
Another concern was irrigation. The board informed the applicants that drip systems and regular spray
systems could not run from the same circuits. All areas are required to be imgated.
Numerous plants were recommended for screening purposes. The board ultimately advised that the
applicants inlist in the aid of a landscape architect to help organize the landscaping. The board was
emphatic about the importance of a professional landscape architect to help the applicants determine which
plants should be moved as well as where they would be placed. If specific care is not taken, the likelihood
of plant survival is practically nil, thus incurring a greater monetary loss for the applicants than the cost of
hiring a landscape architect.
More discussion ensued regarding time of completion with regard to initial occupancy in Phase I of the
landscaping. It was agreed upon by the board and the Harnacks that landscaping would be complete no
later than 9 months after occupancy of the front home.
MOTION by Steven Prothero
1. Recommend selecting alternate material due to incompatibility for T4 - Redbud
15 gal, monitor and if live put in mulch area
2. Eucalyptus silverdollar -recommend relocating out of garden location
Cactus garden -recommend omitting Juniper and replace with Palo Verde, something more
appropriate for a cactus environment.
4. F 14 the area east of the garage between garage and fence line (approx. 3 feet) recommend in lieu of
what is proposed use pitisporum undulatum or alternate prunis caroling. "bright and tight"
F 1 foundation planting at front of house, in addition to Calla Lilies a compact shrub be placed as a
boarder plant. Dwarf Karo spaced 3' on center.
Hose bib -irrigation coming from house -noise - run a perimeter pressure line and not come from
the house.
7. Recommend single vacuum breaker rather than multiple air gaps at each valve location.
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8. Phase I is defined as the south side of the driveway to the front house forward to the street. In
addition, any major plants on the south section of the property along the perimeter also be included
as part of Phase I. The landscaping in the Phase I area must be completed within 3 months after
occupancy of the front house. Landscaping of the remaining portion of the property must be
completed within 9 months after completion of the front property (which is Phase I) and prior to
occupancy of the rear house.
9. Any plants that fail upon transfer from the Orange Street site to the Culver Street site shall be
replaced.
10. Mulch material must be minimum 2 inches.
11. Recommend that applicant retain a professional for irrigation design and plant zones/locations.
SECOND: Timothy McCormack
AYES: Richard Cavecche, Timothy McCormack, Steven McHarris, and Steven Prothero
NOES: None
ABSENT: Erika Wolfe
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
Staff Recommendations and Requirements
Add City required landscape inspection notes.
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(3) DRB No. 3140
Frank Valdez (Andy's Ace
Hardware)
420 W. Lincoln Avenue
Bill Henigsman
Wall sign proposal for existing retail use.
C-2(General Business) District
Bill Henigsman, T & T Neon Sign Company presented revised plans. Mr. Henigsman explained the
conduits running through the raceway and bottom feeding the individual letters of the sign.
MOTION by Steven Prothero to approve the proposed sign as follows:
A four inch raceway on the bottom with the color of the raceway can either match the letters or the
trim caps.
2. Ace shall be red letters.
3. Andy's and Hardware shall be black and white Plexiglas.
4. Trim caps shall be bronze and underscore shall be either red or bronze.
Ballaster shall be remote mounted perpendicular to sign face, behind the sign face or be grouped in
one can, 6 inches high.
6. Conduit feed on the building shall be flush on the roof.
SECOND: Richard Cavecche
AYES: Richard Cavecche, Timothy McCormack, Steven McHams, and Steven Prothero
ABSENT: Erika Wolfe
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(4) DRB No. 3143
John & Lisa Bishop
265 N. Shaffer
Second story room addition to single story
residence.
Recommendation to Planning Commission on
CUP to permit 2nd story.
R-2-6 (Residential Duplex, 6000 sq. ft. min.)
Old Town District
Richard Cavecche excused himself from participating in the discussion and subsequent voting on this
project due to a conflict of interest (neighbor to applicants).
Mr. John Bishop presented the revised plans to the board and explained changes.
Steven Prothero (Chair) commented that the revisions (lowering the scale of the building) show vast
improvement. When two solid planes meet, it creates an awkward corner. He suggested cutting the wall
back 8 " to give more area for the roof. The prupose is twofold, separating the two planes and creating
more roof mass.
Mr. Bishop proposed applying a river rock veneer over the stucco portion at the bottom of the structure.
Mr. Prothero suggested extending the clapboard down over that area. Mr. McHarris suggested utilizing a
drip line in lieu of shrub heads to keep water offthe house if the clapboard is extended.
MOTION by Steven Prothero to approve the proposal subject to the following conditions:
1. All materials and colors match existing.
2. Extend roof from main house back to east 2 feet beyond master bathroom addition.
3. Pull master bath wall north 8 inches to offset it from the plane of the main house.
4. Extend downstairs study two (2) feet to the north to correct plan discrepancies.
5. The shed dormer window constructed to be multi-pane, or stained glass in lieu of a single light.
6. Per applicants request:
a. Use river rock on planter wall and on pier bases of columns at rear of house.
b. Match existing height from grade of first course of clapboard siding on new addition.
SECOND: Steven McHarris
AYES: Timothy McCormack, Steven McHams, and Steven Prothero
NOES: None
ABSENT: Erika Wolfe
ABSTAINED: Richard Cavecche
MOTION CARRIED
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New Proposals -
(5) DRB No. 3114
Union Bank Square
550 S. Main St. (S.W.C. at LaVeta)
Stacy Dukes Design
Revised monument sign submittal for an office
building
C-2 (General Business) District
Southwest Redevelopment Project Area
The applicants and/or representatives were not present at the meeting to address issues and concerns.
Steven Prothero (Chair) made a motion to continue this item to April 17, 1996.
SECOND: Steven McHarris
AYES: Richard Cavecche, Timothy McCormack, Steven McHarris, and Steven Prothero
NOES: None
ABSENT: Erika Wolfe
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(6) DRB No. 3131
Denny's Neon boarder on existing pole sign.
3000 W. Chapman Ave. C-2 (General Business) District
Lauri Permits
Squeak Costner from Lauri's Permit Service was in attendance representing the applicant. Mr. Costner
relayed the applicant's request for a neon tube boarder around the opaque pole sign. Other Denny's sites
that have illuminated signs do not have neon boarders.
Steven Prothero (Chair) stated for the record, his disappointment in the gable roof modification at the
Lincoln Avenue site. The tiles were stated to match the existing tiles in texture, size and color. The new
tiles do not match the existing tiles at the Lincoln site, and looks like a "tacky" on.
Steven McHarris stated that the proposed changes to the sign will not affect the daytime look (bulk, mass,
etc.). Since the neon boarder is green rather than red and does not flicker, it will not be a distraction.
MOTION by Steven McHarris to approve the application as presented, noting that the neon tubing is a
minor alteration to illumination (a nighttime feature for the sign) which does not affect the daytime look of
the sign. The neon tubing is strictly for the existing pole sign only.
SECOND: Richard Cavecche
AYES: Richard Cavecche, Timothy McCormack, Steven McHarris, and Steven Prothero
NOES: None
ABSENT: Erika Wolfe
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(7) DRB No. 3144
Gold Coast Enterprises
1518 W. Taft Ave.
RPM Signs (Larry Christian)
Freestanding sign and wall sign.
M-2 (Industrial) District
The applicants and/or representatives were not present at the meeting to address issues and concerns.
Steven Prothero (Chair) made a motion to continue this item to April 17, 1996.
SECOND: Steven McHarris
AYES: Richard Cavecche, Timothy McCormack, Steven McHarris, and Steven Prothero
NOES: None
ABSENT: Erika Wolfe
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED