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1996-03-20 Final DRC MinutesCity of Orange Design Review Board MINUTES for Wednesday, March 20, 1996 Board Members Present: Richard Cavecche Steven McHarris Tim McCormack Steven Prothero (Chair) Erika Wolfe Board Members Absent: None Staff in Attendance: Dan Ryan, Senior Planner /Historic Preservation Howard Morris, Landscape Coordinator Pat Schulz, Recording Secretary Administrative Session - 4:00 P.M. The board met for an administrative session beginning at 4:00 P.M. The meeting adjourned at approximately 8:30 P.M. City of Orange • Design Review Board Meeting Minutes for March 20, 1996 Page 2 Regular Session - S: 00 P.M. Mr. Prothero (Chair) opened the meeting and asked whether board members had any comments about, or revisions to, the meeting minutes for March 6, 1996. Mr. Tim McCormack: Item No. 3 (D.R.B. 3133). Mr. McCormack referred to page 7, item number 2 within the motion and noted changing plans to plants and adding trees to vine pockets on the south elevation. MOTION by Tim McCormack to approve the minutes of March 6, 1996 with the following corrections: Condition No. 2, Item No. 3 (D.R.B. 3133) shall be modified to read: "2. Call out specific landscape plants. Also recommended are vine pockets and trees on south elevation." SECOND: Erika Wolfe AYES: Richard Cavecche, Timothy McCormack, Steven McHarris, Steven Prothero, and Erika Wolfe NOES: None ABSENT: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange • Design Review Board Meeting Minutes for March 20, 1996 Page 3 Regular Session - 5:00 P.M. 1) DRB No. 3134 Century Theatres NWC Katella Ave./Main St. Recommendation to Planning Commission Redevelopment of a drive-in theater site as entertainment center CR (Commercial Recreational) District Steven Prothero (Chair) excused himself from participating in the discussion and subsequent voting on this project due to a conflict of interest. Steven McHarris was appointed Acting Chair for review of this item. Rich Jensen (Consultant) introduced himself, Joe Syufy (the property owner and applicant), and their design team: Abby Drewliner (Landscape Architect), Mark Fehlman (Architect), and Bill Truxaw (Civil Engineer). Mr. Fehlman presented plans and renderings. He explained how the facility is organized, and discussed retail and restaurant components of the project. The design is art deco, utilizing the movie motif for identification. Abby Drewliner presented the landscaping proposal. Mexican Fan Palms are proposed to delineate pedestrian accessways. Bird of paradise and other plants will be utilized at the pedestrian levels around the buildings. There is also a courtyard that utilizes a water feature as a focal point. Steven McHarris observed that building height is substantial. Tall palms are proposed in the parking lot, but the spacing should probably be reduced (and a number of trees added) to complement the mass of the building. He had another concern that parking areas are generally void of landscaping, except along the accessways. Given the size of the project site, such areas would become a "sea of asphalt," unless more trees are added to the landscape plan. Tim McCormack agreed, suggesting there should be a ratio of 1 tree for every run of 6 parking stalls in the parking lot. Trees maybe planted within individual diamond-shaped wells, rather than continuous planters. From an environmental point of view, it is important to lessen the reflective heat from the asphalt and the trees would generally contribute to a better development. There were concerns expressed by audience members Carole Walters and Barbara DeNiro, that palm trees create litter and attract parrots. Mrs. DeNiro felt that particular attention should be given to what gets planted along Katella Avenue, because of the risk to motorists when high winds are blowing. Howard Morris (staff) replied that the trees utilized will not drop fruit, sap, etc. Ms. Drewliner added that palm trees can be (and would be) trimmed of excess fronds, and that would discourage animal life. With proper care, the only palm fronds left on these trees will stand upright. (Continued on the following page) City of Orange ~ Design Review Board Meeting Minutes for March 20, 1996 Page 4 (Continued from the previous page) Richard Cavecche asked whether there were any regulatory issues concerning the "sail-like" sign. Jim Donovan (staff) stated that the fin wall does not exceed the height limit for this zone. Staff considers it to be a wall sign, and the architect is actually responding to a desire expressed by the Plaza Design Collaborative to see a tall landmark at this location, which is aligned with the Katella Avenue corridor. In response to citizen concerns regarding traffic, it was stated that the primary entrance to the complex is proposed as a signalized intersection on Katella, two (2) lanes in and four (4) lanes out. There will also be bus stops nearby. Overall, the applicant is doing as much as possible to reduce traffic on Katella. Mr. McCormack appreciated that a bicycle lane connection (to the Santa Ana River trail) is also part of the project. Mr. Cavecche complemented the design team, stating that it was an interesting project and a thorough presentation. He inquired about signage for the project. Mr. Fehlman reiterated that the primary focal signage proposed is the 3-dimensional Century Theatre logo, utilizing neon, similar to City Walk. A marquee will list only the major films (perhaps 6 of the 25). Mr. Syufy added that present thinking within the film exhibition industry is that not much business is generated from exposure to drive-by traffic, so it is not so important to have a marquee. Staff reported that a specific sign program will have to be prepared and submitted. Signs that are shown on these plans should be regarded as illustrative only. The applicant is aware that some of these signs do not conform to certain regulations in the sign code. MOTION by Steven McHarris recommending that the Planning Commission approve the conceptual plans subject to submittal of detailed landscaping and sign plans to the Design Review Board. Those plans should be prepared as follows: 1. More palm trees will be added around buildings. 2. Camphor trees (or others) will be added in parking lot 1 tree per 6 stalls. 3. Add plant material to islands. 4. Provide entry accent (or specimen) trees rather than bushes (such as Oleander). 5. Reduce the height of monument signs to 15 feet, per Orange Municipal Code. 7. Provide details on all signs, finishes and hardscape. 8. Provide screening for rooftop equipment. 9. Articulate multiple layers of landscaping with varied height (organized by species) of trees. 10. Design Review Board shall review final exterior finish treatment as well as color. SECOND: Erika Wolfe AYES: Richard Cavecche, Timothy McCormack, Steven McHarris, and Erika Wolfe NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: Steven Prothero MOTION CARRIED (Continued on the following page) City of Orange • Design Review Board Meeting Minutes for March 20, 1996 Page S (Continued from the previous page) Staff Recommendations and Requirements Provide City street tree along Main Street and tree wells per City street tree detail: Species: Callistemon lancolatus, Lemon Bottlebrush Size: 15 gallon (minimum) Spacing: 45 feet o.c. (maximum) Staking: One 3" lodge pole, 2 each corded tire tires Root Barrier: Deep Root Corp. Tree well size: 3 ft. x 4 ft., Standard Detail 118 & 117 City of Orange • Design Review Board Meeting Minutes for March 20, 1996 Page 6 (2) DRB No. 3129 Unocal 5344 E. Chapman Avenue Homes & Narver (Robert Mattox) Demolish existing Unocal building, pumps and canopies; replace with new pumps, canopy car wash and cashier building. C-1 (Limited Business) District John Murphy and Bob Mattox, representing the applicant, presented plans to demolish the existing building and construct a new cashier building, gas pumps and canopy car wash. Steven Prothero (Chair) expressed concern about limited parking. Dan Ryan stated that parking was adequate and met code requirements. Tim McCormack suggested eliminating root problems by planting an evergreen such as Canary Island Pine rather than Liquid Amber at the property perimeter creating a permanent screen and eliminating root problems. MOTION by Steven Prothero recommending Planning Commission approval subject to the following: Set cashier building back against car wash tunnel to eliminate void space between the buildings and/or provide barrier wings to prevent accumulating trash between buildings. 2. Tighten radius of curves on car wash approaches to provide more landscape areas. Change Liquid Amber trees to trees with less evasive roots as Silverdollar gums or Canary Island Pines. Provide concrete areas around vacuum equipment and electrical transformer pad. Provide pedestrian steps to protect landscaping if access is needed to monitoring well covers. 6. Submit final landscape, irrigation and sign plans to DRB. SECOND: Timothy McCormack AYES: Richard Cavecche, Timothy McCormack, Steven McHarris, Steven Prothero, and Erika Wolfe NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange • Design Review Board Meeting Minutes for March 20, 1996 Page 7 (3) DRB No. 3130 Chapman University (Harnack) 490 N. Orange Street Remove house from property and develop site as a parking facility. P-I (Public Institution) Specific Plan Robert Mickelson was present representing the applicant. Howard Morris (staff) stated that street trees needed to be added on Walnut Avenue parkway. Tim McCormack questioned the use of three rows of three types of trees. Mr. Mickelson responded that the proposal is to match the existing lot on the other side. It was suggested incorporating saved mature trees into new plan and/or recycle on Chapman University campus. MOTION by Erika Wolfe for applicant to return with a final landscape plan, with a consistent plant palette, and incorporate saving mature trees into existing plan. SECOND: AYES: NOES: ABSENT: ABSTAINED: Steven McHarris Richard Cavecche, Erika Wolfe None None None Timothy McCormack, Steven McHarris, Steven Prothero, and MOTION CARRIED Staff Recommendations and Requirements • Provide City street tree along Main Street and tree wells per City street tree detail: Species: Pyrus calleryana, Bradford Pear 'Red Spire' Size: 15 gallon (minimum) Spacing: 45 feet o.c. (maximum) Staking: One 3" lodge pole, 2 each corded tire tires Root Barrier: Deep Root Corp. City of Orange • Design Review Board Meeting Minutes for March 20, 1996 Page 8 (4) DRB No. 3135 Luis Mendoza 628 S. Grand St. #A James S. Karling Second floor addition to single story duplex residential structure. Recommendation to the Planning Commission on CUP to permit 2nd story. R2- 6 (Residential Duplex, 6000 sq. ft. min.) Old Towne District Jim Karling, architect representing the applicant reviewed the proposal with the board. Richard Cavecche expressed concerns about design, with respect to Old Towne Design Standards, as follows: 1. Bulk and mass of the project exceeds that of the surrounding structures. 2. Disruption of the single story context of the neighborhood. 3. Old Towne Standards do not allow parking in front of the residence. 4. Maximum driveway width allowed is 9 to 12 feet compared to 41 feet as indicated on plans. Existing front driveway width already exceeds this limitation. The addition of two parking spaces in front makes the situation worse while removing the only large areas of front yard landscape. 5. Potential for future owners to convert 2nd story addition into a third unit with very minor remodeling. The board recommends recordation of a deed restriction defining the use as 2 units. 6. Recommend that the applicant consider locating the second story structure on the rear unit so as to preserve the front yard scale. Steven Prothero noted that code allows construction of more square footage than already exists if continued in the existing style even though it is non-contributing. As anon-contributing structure which is adding more area than the original structure, redesign in a contributing style would be an improvement. The proposed solution, adding more square footage, creates definite problems; additional parking on narrow streets, front yard parking and limited areas for recreational open space. The solution does not address these issues adequately. After discussing building bulk and mass and parking, Dan Ryan (staff) stated that if the applicant changed plans to reflect addition totaling 25% less than the existing structure, parking would not be an issue. Mr. Ryan informed the applicants that they could proceed to the Planning Commission as is, taking a chance on the project being denied; or returning to the Design Review Board with revised plans. Mr. Karling and the applicants agreed to restudy the proposal and return to the board with revised plans. MOTION by Erika Wolfe to continue this item allowing the applicant to return with revised plans. SECOND: Richard Cavecche AYES: Richard Cavecche, Timothy McCormack, Steven McHarris, Steven Prothero, and Erika Wolfe NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange • Design Review Board Meeting Minutes for March 20, 1996 Page 9 (5) DRB No. 3139 Thomas M. & Jeanne Crochow, Joel Kirkpatrick 325 N. Harwood Addition of two bedrooms, one bath and one garage to a single family residence. R-2 (Residential Duplex) District Joel Kirkpatrick was present with Jeanne Crochow and presented the proposal. The board sited concerns with the eave width not matching, windows, and exterior water heater. Steven Prothero stated that the garage door should be masonite or wood and recommended flat panel wood not metal sectional roll up doors. MOTION by Steven Prothero to approve the proposal subject to the following conditions: 1. Exterior siding on addition to match existing exterior siding and match existing eave line. 2. New windows to match existing wood, double-hung windows with trim to match existing windows. 3. Relocate water heater to garage. 4. Garage door, roll-up style, to be flat panel or raised panel wood sectional roll up type. 5. Entry door to be period wood panel door. 6. Ribbon type driveway at least to the front setback line of the residence. 7. Recommend, but not require, turf block in turn around pad at rear as an alternative to concrete proposed. SECOND: Erika Wolfe AYES: Richard Cavecche, Timothy McCormack, Steven McHams, Steven Prothero, and Erika Wolfe NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange • Design Review Board Meeting Minutes for March 20, 1996 Page 10 (6) DRB No. 3140 Frank Valdez (Andy's Ace Hardware) 420 W. Lincoln Avenue Bill Henigsman Wall sign proposal for existing retail use; one set of 30" to 40" channel letters. C-2(General Business) District Bill Henigsman presented the proposal along with the applicants. Steven Prothero stated that code does not allow exposed raceways on signs. Mr. Henigsman responded that the raceway supports the letters and houses the electrical components. After much discussion suggesting using the raceway as an underscore to the sign and eliminating visibility of exposed conduits serving the canopy, it was determined by the board and the applicants to continue this item to the next meeting. MOTION by Erika Wolfe to continue this item enabling applicants to return to the board with revised plans. SECOND: Steven Prothero AYES: Richard Cavecche, Timothy McCormack, Steven McHarris, Steven Prothero, and Erika Wolfe NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange • Design Review Board Meeting Minutes for March 20, 1996 Page 11 (7) DRB No. 3141 Chevron, USA 1702 N. Tustin Street Robert Fiscus & Associates Replace existing pole sign with new monument sign at an auto service station. C-TR (Commercial) District; Tustin Redevelopment Project Area Ted Grove, with Robert Fiscus and Associates, presented the proposal. MOTION by Steven Prothero to approve the proposal with the following conditions: 1. Remove self serve sign with pole sign. 2. Remove foundation for sign minimum one (1) foot below grade. 3. Use opaque background on price sign. 4. Square off landscaping at sign planter and utilize annual color boarder around sign. SECOND: Timothy McCormack AYES: Richard Cavecche, Timothy McCormack, Steven McHarris, Steven Prothero, and Erika Wolfe NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange • Design Review Board Meeting Minutes for March 20, 1996 Page 12 (8) DRB No. 3142 Kevin McConnell 2075 N. Tustin Street New freestanding cabinet sign to replace existing double-pole sign. C-TR (Commercial) District; Tustin Redevelopment Project Area Kevin McConnell presented the proposal. The board raised concerns regarding sign height and setback. MOTION by Steven Prothero to approve the sign with modifications as listed: 1. Opaque background. 2. Addition of illuminated address 6" on sign keystone or base. 3. Staff to verify sign height and location with the applicant. Proposed sign height requires sign to be set back from driveway to eliminate driveway site line requirements. SECOND: Timothy McCornack AYES: Richard Cavecche, Timothy McCormack, Steven McHarris, Steven Prothero, and Erika Wolfe NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange • Design Review Board Meeting Minutes for March 20, 1996 Page 13 (9) DRB No. 3143 John & Lisa Bishop 265 N. Shaffer Second story room addition to single story residence. Recommendation to Planning Commission on CUP to permit 2nd story. R-2-6 (Residential Duplex, 6000 sq. ft. min.) Old Town District Richard Cavecche excused himself from participating in the discussion and subsequent voting on this project due to a conflict of interest (neighbor to applicants). The board discussed design concerns on the apparent floating 2nd story addition with a lack of visible support, top heavy design. The board did not consider the applicants design rational of building layout dictated by existing minor landscape as rational for the floating second story. The board recommended continuing the project for design revisions giving the second story a stronger design base at the ground level. The applicant concurred. MOTION by Steven Prothero to continue this item. SECOND: Steven McHarris AYES: Timothy McCormack, Steven McHarris, Steven Prothero, and Erika Wolfe NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: Richard Cavecche MOTION CARRIED