1996-02-21 Final DRC MinutesCity of Orange
Design Review Board
MINUTES
for Wednesday, February 21, 1996
Board Members Present: Richard Cavecche
Steven McHarris
Steven Prothero (Chair)
Erika Wolfe
Board Members Absent: Beau Shigetomi
Staff in Attendance: Dan Ryan, Senior Planner /Historic Preservation
Jim Donovan, Associate Planner
Howard Morris, Landscape Coordinator
Pat Schulz, Recording Secretary
Administrative Session - 4:30 P.M.
The board met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 P.M. The meeting adjourned at
approximately 6:00 P.M.
Mr. Prothero (Chair) opened the meeting and stated that there were no minutes in the packet for
review. Staff stated that the minutes were not completed in time for the packet due to staff
absences and the short week due to a holiday. The minutes for the February 7, 1996 minutes as
well as the minutes for the February 21, 1996 meeting will be reviewed for approval at the March
6, 1996 meeting.
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Regular Session - S: 00 P.M.
New Proposals -
(1) DRB No. 3127
Carl 8~ Carol Hamack Proposal to move a house, guest house and
546 E. Culver Ave. garage, with
John Siller, Engineer a workshop.
Duplex Residential District (R-2-6), Old Towne
Carl and Carol Hamack were present and reviewed with the board, their plans to move structures
located at 490 N. Orange Street to 546 E. Culver Avenue.
Steven Prothero (Chair) asked if Mr. and Mrs. Hamack owned the properties where the house to
be moved is presently located as well as the new location.
Mr. Hamack responded by stating that he and his wife own the home that is to be moved from
Orange Street to Culver as well as the lot and structures located at 546 E. Culver Avenue.
Chapman College now owns the lot addressed 490 N. Orange Street where the house to be moved
is presently located.
Mr. Prothero shared with M/M Hamack the concerns of the board with regard to landscaping. Mr.
Prothero stated that as a single family residence, review by staff and the building department for
landscape conformance is not required. However, as a proposed multi-family parcel, landscape
and irrigation plans are required. The board feels that level of landscape and imgation detail
shown on the plans submitted is insufficient.
Mr. Hamack stated specifics such as the grass (Fesque), trees are listed, boarder planting will
bulbs etc.
Howard Moms, Community Services Landscape Coordinator, stated that City landscape
guidelines needed to be followed.
Mr. Hamack stated that he and his wife inquired about but were not given landscape guidelines.
Howard Moms gave Mr. Hamack said guidelines.
The board discussed the fact that the plans are substandard as they do not list existing landscaping
as well as new landscaping. Mr. Prothero stated that the proposed plan is too underdeveloped to
comment on.
Howard Morris stated that existing trees that will remain after the move need to be shown on the
plans.
Mr. Hamack stated that there are three existing Jacaranda trees that will remain.
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Mr. Prothero stated that irrigation design needs to be spelled out, such as location of the rain birds,
overlap radius, etc. It was also suggested that with a project this large, the applicants should inlist
in the aid of a landscape professional at a nursery or the projects engineer.
Mr. Harnack expressed concern that the move would be held up for landscape and irrigation plans.
Jim Donovan stated that landscaping plans could be submitted at a later date.
Mrs. Harnack inquired about a city recommended trees and shrubbery.
Howard Morns stated that the Police Department has a listing of crime deterrent landscaping that
he would make available for Mr. and Mrs. Harnack.
Mr. Prothero stated that landscape plans will definitely have to be brought back to the board.
Other esthetic issues included the moving the existing house and setting it further back on the
property.
Mrs. Harnack responded by stating that future plans included the addition of a porch.
Mr. Prothero inquired about the setback along side property line. It was stated that the setback
requirement is 3' for garage and 5' for residential property. It was suggested that perhaps 3' is not
enough for amulti-family project.
Mrs. Harnack stated that the structures were to remain 15 feet from the westerly property line for
drain purposes. The board did not require the garage to be moved an additional 2 feet from the
easterly property line and approved the proposal as shown on submitted plans.
Jim Donovan, Staff Planner, stated that the Code allows structures built on the property line as
long as they are 6' from any other building.
Dan Ryan, Staff Planner, clarified the point that moving the structures away from the fence an
additional 2' would allow access between the fence and the structures for maintenance and
landscaping.
Mr. Harnack stated that the structures cannot be moved away from the fence as the turning radius
of the driveway in front of the garages would be negatively impacted.
Howard Moms suggested screening the area from the front and put gravel in the area between the
structures and the fence as there is not enough room for landscaping, trees, etc.
Steve Prothero recommended checking with Building Division to see if building materials need to
be one hour rated due to the location of biuldings adjacent to the property line if the building is 2
feet from the property line.
Mr. Prothero also noted that plans indicated no window trim on the garage.
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Carol Harnack stated that the garage, cottage and new garage will have same crown, window trim
and panel doors and door trim.
Mr. Prothero stated that his personal preference is for flat panels on the roll up door rather than
raised panels as flat panels are more in keeping with the arts and crafts. Mrs. Harnack indicated
that she and her husband looked at three or four door companies and didn't see any flat panels. Mr.
Prothero stated that Anaheim Door has them. Mr. Prothero reiterated that this is purely a
recommendation not a requirement.
Mr. Prothero stated a requirement to match exterior finish on stem wall -concrete foundation with
siding extended down.
The board requested that paint colors match existing house. The board also complimented Mr. and
Mrs. Harnack on their choice of colors.
MOTION by Steven Prothero to approve the exterior and sidings of the buildings in accordance
with discussion, and return with acceptable landscape plans.
Richard Cavecche asked to include in the motion that all damage to walkways incurred by moving
the structures on the Culver Street property be repaired or replaced.
Steven McHams asked to include existing detail and new landscaping treatment in the landscape
and imgation plans.
Mr. Prothero stated that landscape and irrigation plans must be approved before issuance of
building permits.
SECOND: Erika Wolfe
AYES: Richard Cavecche, Steven McHarris, Steven Prothero, Beau Shigetomi and
Erika Wolfe
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
Mr. Harnack suggested that samples and requirements be made available at the time the
applications submitted.
MOTION CARRIED