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1997-11-19 Final DRC MinutesCity of Orange Design Review Board MINUTES for Wednesday, November 19, 1997 Board Members Present: Rick Cavecche Tim McCormack Steven McHarris Steve Prothero (Chair) Robert Reilly Board Members Absent: None Staff in Attendance: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner Howard Morris, Landscape Coordinator Administrative Session - 4: 30 P.M. The board met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 P.M. The meeting adjourned at approximately 8:30 P.M. City of Orange -Design Review Board Meeting Minutes for November 19, 1997 Page 2 Regular Session - S: 30 P.M. Steve Prothero opened the meeting. A motion was made by Rick Cavecche to approve the November 5, 1997 minutes with the following corrections: DRB 3237 (Mills Corporation) pale 5, para~ph 2, bullet #3, sentence 3 added as follows: • Suggest minimum two trees per planter. DRB 3266 (Non's Food & Drug) page 12, paragraph 1, sentence 4 added as follows: ~ The market's new name is "Non's Food & Drug". The increased length of the new sign cannot physically fit on one tower element, and therefore it is being split up to fit on two tower elements. SECOND: Steve McHarris AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Board Meeting Minutes for November 19, 1997 Page 3 Discussion Item: A discussion regarding 493 S. Orange Street residence improvements as part of the La Veta/Glassell intersection widening. *(Note: Discussion of this item was deferred to the end of the regular session.) MOTION by Steve Prothero to concur with improvements. SECOND: Rick Cavecche AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero NOES: None ABSENT: Steve McHarris, Robert Reilly ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Board Meeting Minutes for November 19, 1997 Page 4 (1) DRB No. 2910 Robert B. Breskin Revision of previously approved building 200 E. Chapman Avenue elevation for an existing commercial Ronald W. Aarons, Architect building. • C-1 (Limited Business District), Old Towne The owner, Mr. Bob Breskin, presented the revised plans to the DRB. The proposed conversion of the parking garage to tenant space was approved by the Planning Commission, subject to DRB review of the exterior building treatment. The existing garage opening will be enclosed with the same stucco finish to match the rest of the building. The new window and awning would also match the existing ones on the ground floor. The proposal also includes a new wrought iron railing in front of the storefront window. MOTION by Robert Reilly to approve the project subject to the following conditions: 1. The new window and awning should be installed as high as possible to better match the existing. 2. The proposed wrought iron picket is approved with a cast cap and internal handicap railing. SECOND: Steve McHarris AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Board Meeting Minutes for November 19, 1997 Page 5 (2) DRB No. 3134 Century Theatres • 1601 W. Katella Ave. Signage Solutions Revision to an approved tenant sign program C-R (Commercial-Recreation District Applicant not present. Staff informed the board that these are wall sign that would be installed in back of the building. MOTION by Steve Prothero to approve the 2 additional wall signs "Humphrey Yogart" and "Kelly's Coffee"" subject to the following conditions: 1. These signs are non-illuminated. 2. All other wall signs must be submitted to the DRB for review. 3. All external wall lighting fixtures must be submitted to the DRB for review. SECOND: Robert Reilly AYES: Rick Cavecche, Steve McAarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: Tim McCormack MOTION CARRIED (3) DRB No. 3244 L. A. Cellular 125 S. Main Street C & C Signs (This item was approved on the consent calendar). City of Orange -Design Review Board Meeting Minutes for November 19, 1997 Page 6 • New freestanding sign for a new retail center • C-3 (Commercial District) MOTION by Rick Cavecche to approve this project subject to the following conditions: 1. Provide an opaque background 2. Prior to issuance of building permits, location of the sign shall be reviewed and approved by City Traffic Engineering Division for proper vehicular sight distance. SECOND: Tim McCormack AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Board Meeting Minutes for November 19, 1997 Page 7 4) DRB No. 3222 Mall of Orange ~ Revision to an existing freestanding sign at Barbara Toth the Mall of Orange • C-TR (Limited Business District -Tustin Redevelopment Area) The project was presented by Barbara Toth representing the Mall of Orange. The proposal is to re-face the existing freestanding sign in front of the main entrance. The sign currently reads "Mall of Orange". The new sign face will add the names of the 4 major tenants and will still have the name "Mall of Orange", but at a smaller scale. All existing colors of the freestanding structure remains the same. The proposal also includes re-facing the existing freestanding marquee sign for the former theater complex to identify the tenants at the north end of the mall complex. MOTION by Steve McHarris to approve the project subject to the following conditions: 1. The re-facing of the freestanding sign at the main entrance is approved as submitted. 2. The re-facing of the marquee sign is approved with an opaque background of the same color. The text maybe the color and text style of tenants choice, and may be illuminated. SECOND: Robert Reilly AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve 1VIcHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED (5) DRB No. 3253 John & Kimberly Atkinson 604 W. Palmyra Avenue City of Orange -Design Review Board Meeting Minutes for November 19, 1997 Page 8 • New bathroom addition, laundry room and garage attachment. • R-2 (Residential -Duplex District) John and Kimberly Atkinson, owners of the property presented the revised plans to the DRB. The new plans are drawn to scale and showed all proper details. MOTION by Steve Prothero to approve the project, subject to the following conditions: 1. Provide brick cap on top of stucco wall. 2. Modify the top of the gate with a more interesting design other than just flat. SECOND: Steve McHarris AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Board Meeting Minutes for November 19, 1997 Page 9 (4) DRB No. 3261 Ralph Zehner 630 E. Culver Avenue Bob Gibson -Designer • Addition of 5 new dwelling units and demolition of existing garage on property that currently contains a single family residence. • R-2-6 (Residential Duplex District), Old Towne The applicant, Mr. Ralph Zehner, was not present at the meeting. A letter was delivered to the DRB from Mr. Zehner requesting for a final recommendation to the Planning Commission. The DRB stated the following: With the understanding that the purpose of the Old Towne Design Standards and the Design Review process as it relates to projects within the Old Towne Historic District. It is intended to protect the historic and architectural resources which contribute to the cultural richness of Old Towne. The protection of the Old Towne Historic District will ensure that the City's unique quality will remain for the enjoyment, pride and economic benefit of its citizens. The Board understands that the Design Standards were developed to implement the City's General Plan Historic Preservation Element which cites protection of the desirable and unique features of historic neighborhoods and protection to insure that new construction in historic neighborhoods will be contextual and architecturally compatible with the adjoining structures. With this in mind, the DRB finds the following: 1. The cumulative effect of the four building footprints result in minimal rear and side yard setbacks. 2. The two newly proposed buildings are considered two story structures, although there has been an effort to reduce the scale of the second story condition by designing two individual buildings. 3. With the understanding that properties can change ownership at any time, by its very size, mass, and bulk, the two story project design does not sufficiently minimize the impact on the privacy of adjacent properties. 4. Although the proposed structures were not designed to duplicate the existing historic residence, there has been some attempt to match some of the features, primarily roof pitch and material, some decorative treatment, porch columns, and building color. 5. The large size of the two proposed buildings creates excessive mass, bulk and scale that is not compatible with the existing neighborhood buildings and the overall neighborhood character. 6. The project by design, does not provide sufficient landscape to break up the appearance of expansive areas of concrete paving. 7. Although the cantilevers appear as open space elements for the property, they are not designed as architectural elements that would be permitted on accepted Old Towne styles. 8. The second story exterior staircase design is inconsistent with the Design Standards intent for applying and locating such staircases to buildings. 9. The materials are inconsistent with the style typical of the period of the existing residential building, of which the project attempts to emulate. Specifically: 8" masonite siding, aluminum windows and steel garage/main doors. City of Orange -Design Review Board Meeting Minutes for November 19, 1997 Page 10 10. The proposed development introduces new construction into a historic district that is visually incompatible, and that it destroys historic relationships within the district and neighborhood. 11. The proposed development introduces new construction onto the building site which is visually incompatible in terms of size, scale, design, materials, color and texture and which destroys historic relationships on the site. 12. The proposed development is inconsistent in size, scale and context with surrounding development. With all due respect to the project applicant, the Board cannot make a positive recommendation to the Planning Commission with the project as proposed. If the applicant desires, the Board can continue review of the project for substantial plan modifications. The Board recommends the following changes: 1. Reduce overall size of buildings and increase setback from property lines. 2. The existing front house is a hipped-roof cottage with specific identifiable features and details such as window type and 3" smooth finish wood siding. 3. Driveway along west side should be substantially narrowed to allow for a ribbon driveway, a minimum Oft. wide planter between existing residence and a continuous minimum 5 to 6 ft. wide planter along the western property line. 4. Patios at the rear of the property should be set back to accommodate a sufficient planter for screening trees. 5. Provide double hung wood windows, flat-paneled wood garage doors, and main doors throughout to match existing residence. 6. Delete ancillary security gate located along western edge of existing residence. 7. Provide a more detailed landscape plan with emphasis on tree plantings to mitigate privacy issues. 8. Provide 6 foot fence or wall along 3 perimeter property lines (2 sides and rear) insuring privacy to neighboring property. 9. New front gate not submitted, therefore cannot comment by DRB. 10. Eliminate existing shed due to impact on open space. 11. Create viable guest parking in lieu of enclosed garage parking spaces. MOTION by Steve McHarris to recommend to the Planning Commission denial of the project, based on the above stated findings. SECOND: Rick Cavecche AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Board Meeting Minutes for November 19, 1997 Page 11 (7) DRB No. 3265 Carmax Orange Drive-In site (State College BI.) Joseph Bricio, Architect • Building elevations and landscape plan for proposed auto sales facility • M-1 zone; Southwest RPA • Recommendation to Planning Commissior The project was presented by Joseph Bricio -Architect, Rick Manners with Carmax, Gary Kingland, and Jim Baldwin -Landscape Consultant. The proposal is to develop a regional used car sales facility at the existing 20+ acres Orange Drive-in Theater site. The facility includes a showroom, surface parking, mechanical service shop and car wash. The submitted plans showed the realignment of the I-5 Freeway, and the areas of future expansion (Phase II) for the addition of a new car dealership. The DRB felt comfortable with the overall layout and design of the project, however, concerns were express with the proposed metal picket fence that segregates the sale lot area from the public parking lot area. The board suggested the use of a low ("ha-ha") wall/landscape berm treatment for security purposes, rather than a picket fence, for improved visibility and aesthetics. MOTION by Steve Prothero to recommend approval of the project to the Planning Commission subject to the following conditions: L The landscaping along the west side of the building shall match that as shown on the submitted landscaping plans. The landscaping along the south side of the building shall match that as shown on the submitted architectural elevation plans. (The placement of trees are shown slightly different on the landscaping plans than on the building elevation plans) 2. Provide detail of exterior wall/fence. A split-face wall is being proposed along public streets. It is preferable that the others walls are also split-face and of the same color. 3. Recommend use of landscape berm in lieu of the proposed exposed metal guardrail. 4. Provide vertical screen trees along property line adjacent to freeway off-ramp. 5. Provide trees at service lot adjacent to the neighboring tenants towards the east for screening. 6. Add trees and shrubs at the end planter islands at the west end of the parking lot area. 7. Washingtonian Palms shall be minimum 15 ft. brown trunk height. 8. Roof parapet wall height shall be at least the same height or higher as the roof mounted mechanical equipment to provide proper screening. 9. Location of freestanding sign at driveway shall be reviewed for sight distance by City Traffic Engineering Division. 10. Prior to issuance of building permits, submit fmal landscaping plans to DRB for approval. (Final irrigation plans to be reviewed by staff. 11. Parking lot lighting fixtures shall be coordinated with landscaping plans. SECOND: Tim McCormack AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Board Meeting Minutes for November 19, 1997 Page 12 (8) DRB No. 3267 Ross Store -Mall of Orange New wall sign for retail tenant at the Mall of 2298 N. Orange Mall Orange Bill Moore & Associates C-TR (Limited Business District -Tustin Redevelopment Area) The project was presented by Barbara Toth with the Mall Of Orange. The proposal is to install 2 set of internally illuminated, individual channel letter that reads "Carl's Jr." and "ROSS DRESS FOR LESS". MOTION by Rick Cavecche to approve both the "Carl's Jr." and "Ross" wall signs as submitted. SECOND: Robert Reilly AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack Steve McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED (9) DRB No. 3268 Dr. Delia Tamasan Dental 1108 E. Katella Avenue Sign-A-Rama Applicant not present. City of Orange -Design Review Board Meeting Minutes for November 19, 1997 Page 13 • New wall sign for an existing tenant within a retail center • C-P (Commercial Professional District) MOTION by Steve Prothero to continue this item to the next DRB meeting. SECOND: Tim McCormack AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack Steve McBarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Board Meeting Minutes for November 19, 1997 Page 14 (10) DRB No. 3269 The Orange Hemp Company 123 South Orange Street Lisa David New blade sign and wall signs for a new tenant in an existing building. C-1 (Limited Business District), Old Towne This item was approved on the consent calendar. MOTION by Steve Prothero to approve this project as submitted. SECOND: Steve McHarris AYES: Tim McCormack Steve McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: Rick Cavecche MOTION CARRIED