1997-04-09 Final DRC MinutesCity of Orange
Design Review Board
MINUTES
for Wednesday, April 9, 1997
Board Members Present:
Board Members Absent
Staff in Attendance
Richard Cavecche
Tim McCormack
Robert Reilly
Steven McHarris
Steven Prothero (Chair)
Chuck Lau, Associate Planner
Administrative Session - 4: 30 P.M.
The board met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 P.M. The meeting adjourned at
approximately 8:30 P.M.
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Regular Session - S: 00 P.M.
Richard Cavecche opened the meeting and asked whether board members had any comments or
revisions to the meeting minutes for March 19, 1997.
A motion was made by Robert Reilly to approve the minutes with the following revisions:
DRB No. 3176 (Old Towne Brewing Co.~paae 4, add condition #8 to read as follows:
8. Final landscape plans shall be provided and approved by the Community Services
Department staff, with all of the above corrections. (Items 1 through 7).
DRB No. 3201 (Chili's Restaurant~pa~e 7, condition #l. second sentence, change the word
integration to integrated and add condition #5 page 8 to read as follows:
I. Prior to issuance of building permits, final landscape plans shall be submitted to the
DRB for approval The final plan shall be integrated with the rest of the center,
specifically addressing the rear (north) elevation of the building. Also suggest replacing
the birch tree (Betula Pendula) to another type of deciduous tree.
5. Wall signs are approved as submitted, subject to compliance with the City's current Sign
Ordinance.
SECOND: Timothy McCormack
AYES: Richard Cavecche, Timothy McCormack and Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Steven McHarris and, Steven Prothero
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(1) DRB No. 3106
Casa Teresa, Inc.
213 North Olive Street
Cathcart/Begin Associates
• Final landscape review for a new boarding
facility in Old Towne
• C-2 (General Business) District
(This item was approved on the Consent Calendar.)
MOTION by Richard Cavecche to approve the final landscape plans subject to the following
conditions:
1. Move the third tree along the north property line further back where there is more space.
SECOND: Timothy McCormack
AYES: Richard Cavecche, Timothy McCormack and Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Steven McHarris and Steven Prothero
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(2) DRB No. 3134
Century Theatres Final landscape review for the Century
NWC Katella Ave./Main St. Entertainment Center
Nowell & Associates C-R (Commercial Recreational) District
The revised landscape plans were presented by Steven Copley, Landscape Architect. At the
previous meeting, Mr. McCornack expressed concerns with the use of Gleditsia in the parking
lot because it was felt that a larger canopy tree is needed. After further study of this issue, and
taking into consideration the security lighting requirements of the Police Department, it was felt
that the recommended changes would not be appropriate. Mr. Copley recommended the use of
Robinia `Purple Robe', which is a slightly larger shade tree, but will have more root problems
than the Gleditsia. As for the use of Camphor trees in the end islands of the parking lot, it has
been used successfully in other projects, and its root problems are not much different than many
other types of trees that are being used in the industry. Linear root barriers would be installed in
the parking aisles as well as the planter islands to minimize potential root problems. Eucalyptus
Microtheca are suggested to be used in the drive aisles, and for the entry drive, Italian Cypress
would be used to visually separate the large parking field from the building complex pad and
provide a focal point towards the theater. As for the south and west property boundaries,
Pyrostegia Venusta `Flame Vine' would be used along the fencing. Also provided for the DRB's
review is a written description list of the site furniture items such as benches, tables, light
fixtures, etc. to be used within the interior of the complex.
Mr. McCormack commented that with the many variety of planting material that are being used,
they are not being tied-in, unified or linked together very well. This seems to create some
confusion. The selection and arrangement of trees are making such a strong statement that it is
distracting and not supporting the architecture of the building complex which is supposed to be
the main focal point. Perhaps the continued use of matching Palm trees along the main drive
aisle progressing to the front of the theater maybe more appropriate. Questions were also raised
as to whether or not the number of trees provided meets the minimum requirement of one tree
per 8 parking stalls spaced 36 ft. apart maximum and if Iucalyptus Microtheoa would be
available for the required matching amount for this project.
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MOTION by Richard Cavecche to continue this item with the following conditions:
1. Prior to issuance of building permits, submit final site and landscape plans to DRB for
approval. Revised }Mans must fully address all issues of concern expressed at this and
previous meetings. (Applicant has the option of submitting another set of revised plans, or
submit the actual construction document plans).
2. Submit complete actual color and material samples of all site furniture, including concrete
paving colors, tree crates, fixtures, etc.
SECOND: Robert Reilly
AYES: Richard Cavecche, Timothy McCorn7ack and Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Steven McHarris and Steven Prothero
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(3) DRB No. 3181
Ayres Group
3737 W. Chapman Avenue
Promotional Sians
(This item was approved on the Consent Calendar.)
Wall signs for a newly remodeled hotel
Review of wall signs mounted on raceway
C-1 (Limited Business) District
MOTION by Richard Cavecche to approve this item as submitted
SECOND: Timothy McCormack
AYES: Richard Cavecche, Timothy McCormack and Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Steven McHarris and Steven Prothero
ABSTAINED: None
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(4) DRB No.3 188
Woodside Plaza
3110-3134 E. Chapman Ave.
William C. Sharon -Architect
• Remodel of an existing retail center
• C-1 (Limited Business) District
David Jackson, CBI Construction Services and Will Gencarella, Owner of the property. They
appreciate some of the suggested design changes recommended by the DRB from the previous
meetings. However, they had originally budgeted only $20, 000 for some minor revisions to a
rather out-dated 70's look of the building. The changes recommended by the DRB was
estimated by a construction company to cost over $200,000. This would cause hardship on the
owner, as the money being spend cannot be justified for an older shopping center that has to
compete with other more modernized centers in the area. Perhaps by retaining the existing wood
framed window storefronts, the cost could be reduced by approximately $50, 000. There could
be some additional savings if the tower elements could be constructed as a false front with high
parapet wall, rather than framed-in as a 3-dimensional tower element with a hip roof.
The DRB stated that it would be up to the owner to retain the wood storefront window frames,
however, the use of a high parapet wall to create a false front would not be acceptable. The
center need some relieve with depth to provide shade and shadow, and to give the building some
movement. There are simple things that could be done to achieve this without costing too much
money. More design consideration is needed.
MOTION by Richard Cavecche to continue review of this project to the next meeting.
SECOND: Robert Reilly
AYES: Richard Cavecche, Timothy McCormack and Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Steven McHarris and Steven Prothero
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(5) DRB No. 3202
The Bible House
1634 E. Katella Ave.
Signage Solutions
• Wall signs for a new retail tenant within an
existing shopping center
• C-TR (Commercial, Tustin Redevelopment)
District
The project was presented by Robert McDonald -Signage Solutions, and Kelly Woods -store
owner. The business is moving from an existing location at Collins Avenue to this new store
location. The `Hallmark' sign is being proposed in addition to `The Bible House' because it is a
trademark logo that is required at all the stores that carry their products.
MOTION by Robert Reilly to approve the new wall sign plans as submitted.
SECOND: Timothy McCormack
AYES: Richard Cavecche, Timothy McCormack and Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Steven McHarris and Steven Prothero
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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New Proposals -
(6) DRB No. 3207
Lucky Supermarket Wall signs for an existing supermarket
NWC Tustin/Collins C-1 (Limited Business) District
Heath & Comoanv
The project was presented by Tim Pitts -Heath & Company. The proposal is to replace the
existing `Lucky' wall sign with a slightly larger version, and to install additional wall signs `SEA
FOOD', `DELI BAKERY', and `LIQUOR'. The existing "Bank of America" wall sign to remain
unchanged. The new signage is to convey to people that there are these additional services
available at the Luclcy Supermarket.
The board expressed concerns with the number of wall signs being proposed for this project.
The DRB has consistently in the recent past, discouraged accessory signs on similar projects
such as the new Walmart at the Mall of Orange. The exception would be signs that identifies a
separate tenant use or business entity such as `Bank of America' at the Lucky store, and as noted
earlier the `McDonalds' and Better Homes & Garden `Garden Center' at the Walmart store.
MOTION by Richard Cavecche to approve only the enlarged `Lucky' sign as submitted, and to
deny the `SEA FOOD', 'DELI BAKERY', and `LIQUOR' signs.
SECOND: Timothy McCormack
AYES: Richard Cavecche, Timothy McCormack and Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Steven McHarris and Steven Prothero
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(7) DRB No. 3208
Yorba Medical Group •
1201 W. La Veta Avenue
Superior Electrical Advertising •
New Monument sign for an existing
medical office facility
OP (Office Professional) District
(This item was approved on the Consent Calendar.)
MOTION by Richard Cavecche to approve plans for a new monument sign as submitted.
SECOND: Timothy McCormack
AYES: Richard Cavecche, Timothy McCormack and Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Steven McHarris and Steven Prothero
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(8) DRB No. 3209
Polygon Communities, Inc. •
Hewes St. and Rancho Santiago Blvd. •
MDS Consulting
100 unit single family residential tract
R-1 (Single Family Residential) District
The project was presented by Steve Shepard -Polygon Communities, Inc., and Hank Jimenez,
MDS Consulting. Also in attendance at the meeting was Shirley Grindle, community member.
This is a 30+ acres single family residential project that is being developed with 2 Tract Maps
(Tract 15371 & 15443). There are 2 entries into this development, each provided with enhanced
landscape treatment and interlocking brick paving. Perimeter walls are made of slumpblocks
with pilasters and brick caps. Vine pockets are provide at the walls along Santiago and Hewes.
Several building elevation plans are provided with variations on each theme. The architecture is
eclectic in design.
The board stated that the overall project is well designed to fit in with the surrounding
neighborhood.
MOTION by Richard Cavecche to approve the plans as follows:
1. Building elevations are approved as submitted
2. Final landscape plans and irrigation plans to be reviewed by staff.
3. The project is approved with the enhanced interlocking brick pavement at the 2
entrances.
4. The concrete curbing defining the center islands shall match the accent concrete used for
the 2 entries.
5. Recommend that the street trees shown within the internal street parkway area be
maintained by the Homeowner's Association.
SECOND: Timothy McCormack
AYES: Richard Cavecche, Timothy McCormack and Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Steven McHarris and Steven Prothero
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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9) DRB No. 3210
Mr. & Mrs. Richard Sciuto
Lot 6; Tract #13913 (Prospect Hill)
The Woods Grouo Architect
• New single family home
• R-1 (Single Family Residential) District
The project was presented by Hal Woods -Architect, and Richard Sciuto -property owner. Mr.
Bob Bennyhoff, representing Orange Park Acres, was also in attendance to comment on the
project. The proposal is to construct a custom designed, 2-story single family residence of
approximately 8,200 sq.ft. in size (including garage) on a hill side view lot. This project is being
brought to the DRB as a condition of approval to Tract 13913. This is to assure that the site
layout and building design are compatible with the surrounding area, and to minimize any
potential visual and lighting impacts to adjoining properties.
The board was concern with the visual impacts of the large 2-story structure, especially to the
adjacent properties located down slope to the east. However, given the large setback at the rear
property line, and that there are no bright or intensive lighting fixtures that creates glare, the
project is well design to be compatible with the surrounding neighborhood. Tim McCormack
also recommended adding several trees planted randomly adjacent to the building to help soften
the building, while still maintaining its view.
MOTION by Robert Reilly to approve the plans as submitted.
SECOND: Timothy McCormack
AYES: Richard Cavecche, Timothy McCormack and Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Steven McHarris and, Steven Prothero
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(10) DRB No. 3211
Boston Market New restaurant building at the Mall of
Mall of Orange building pad near the Orange complex.
north access drive from Tustin Street. C-TR (Commercial, Tustin Street
Reyes Group Redevelopment) District
Lorenzo Reyes -The Reyes Group, and Steve Jordan, Tarlos & Associates, presented the project
to the DRB. This is a 5,320 sq.ft. new building pad in front of the new Walmart store within the
Mall of Orange Shopping Center complex. Boston market would occupy 3,200 sq.ft. and the
remaining 2,120 sq.ft. would be occupied by another restaurant tenant. The overall building
height has been reduced from its original design, especially the tower elements, mainly due to
Wahnart's concern with visibility of their new store. (This item has been scheduled for April 21,
l 997 Planning Commission review as Major Site Plan Review #36-97).
The DRB expressed concern that the tower elements do not add enough character to the building.
The board suggested raising up the height of towers and having a steeper roof pitch. As for the
landscape plan, the board suggested the addition and changes to planting material.
MOTION by Timothy McCormack to recommend approve of the project to the Planning
Commission, subject to the following conditions:
1. Raise the overall height of tower element to approximately 28 ft. with a steeper roof pitch.
2. Provide tall vertical tree in planter area along the north and south building elevations.
(Suggestion: Chinese Tallow tree, Wedding tree, Silver Dollar Gum Eucalyptus, Lemon-
Scented Gum Eucalyptus, etc.)
3. Provide a `signature' tree at the northeast corner planter area. Suggest an open/airy
flowering type tree such as Chinese Flame t~~ee (Koelreuteria Bipinnata).
4. Provide foundation planting along edge of building in thin planting area in a more
linear/formal arrangement rather than in small informal groupings. (Suggest Ligustrum,
Buxus, Pittosporum Wheeler's Dwarf, Lily of the Nile, etc.)
5. Provide taller shrubs at planting fingers
(. Trees in the parking lot shall match existing (Ehn tree).
7. Provide one gallon vines (Boston Ivy) at 8 ft. on center at trash enclosure.
8. Submit signage plans to DRB. (No verbiage allowed on the awnings)
9. Submit final building elevations and landscape plans to DRB for approval.
SECOND: Robert Reilly
AYES: Richard Cavecche, Timothy McCormack and Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Steven McHarris and, Steven Prothero
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(11) DRB No. 3213
City of Orange -Community Services •
Department •
Eichenberger & Associates
Landscape review for public parking lot
C-1 (Limited Business) District
The project was presented by Bernie Eichenberger, Landscape Architect. This is an existing City
owned lot with existing planter areas and no landscaping.
The board expressed concern with the arrangement of trees along the front planter area being in
conflict with the existing street trees.
MOTION by Timothy McCormack to recommend to the Community Services Department the
following changes:
1. Adjust spacing of trees along the front planter area to form more of a regular triangulation
pattern to better coordinate with the existing street trees in the parkway area and to give the
tree more room to grow.
2. Day lily to be spaced at 24" on center.
3. Provide ground cover/mulch in planter areas.
SECOND: Robert Reilly
AYES: Richard Cavecche, Timothy McCormack and Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Steven McHarris and, Steven Prothero
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED