1998-12-02 Final DRC MinutesCity of Orange
Design Review Board
MINUTES
for Wednesday, December 2, 1998
Board Members Present:
Board Member Absent
Staff in Attendance
Rick Cavecche
Tim McCormack
Robert Reilly
Steve Prothero
Susan Secoy
Chuck Lau, Associate Planner
Administrative Session - 4: 30 P.M.
The board met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 p.m.. The meeting adjourned at
approximately 7:30 p. m.
Regular Session - 5: 30 P.M.
Rick Cavecche opened the meeting. A motion was made by Rick Cavecche to defer the review
and approval of the November 4, 1998 and November 18, 1998 minutes to the December 16,
1998 meeting.
SECOND: Robert Reilly
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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11 DRB No. 3370
The Courtyard
152 & 154 N. Glassell Street
Leason F. Pomeroy -Architect
New 2-story in-fill retail space addition
C-1 (Limited Business District), Old Towne
Recommendation to Planning Commission
The project was presented by the owner and architect, Mr. Leason Pomeroy. The project has
been revised from the previous meeting. The new plans showed an open passage way through to
the central courtyard which preserves and exposed the south elevation of the existing S.A.V.I.
building (154 N. Glassell St.). The new plans also showed that the existing front (east) elevation
of the S.A.V.I. building would be preserved, and that the previous proposal to add new second
story window openings have been eliminated per the DRB's suggestion. The existing non-
contributing structure (152 N. Glassell St.) would be demolished, and is to be replaced with a
narrow 2-story building constructed along the south property line with a pedestrian bridge over
the passage way that connects to the S.A.V.I. building. The existing one story garage (152 N.
Olive St.) would also be demolished per the City's historical building inventory survey, as the
structure is severely deteriorated beyond repair. The garage would be replaced with new 2-story
building.
The DRB felt that the overall building layout was appropriate for the site, and was glad to see
that the historic facade of the S.A.V.I. building is being preserved instead of significantly
altering it with second story window openings. As for demolition of the 2 structures, one is a
non-contributing structure, and the other is not feasible for restoration.
Tim McCormack expressed concerns with the use of plaster for the upper portion of the addition
to the rear of the S.A.V.I. building. This material does not fit well with the brick used for the
lower portion of the building. Why not continue with the use of brick for the upper portion?
Also of concern is the pedestrian bridge that connects the 2 buildings which appears rather bulky.
Instead of being enclosed, perhaps this can be an open bridge with some ornate iron work.
The DRB made the following findings:
1. The project is consistent in size, scale and context with existing surrounding developments.
2. The project retains the historic relationship between buildings and open space.
3. The building design and material is compatible with the character of the existing structure
and surrounding area.
4. The project is designed in such a manner that it would not significant change or damage the
character defining features of the historic building and its features.
5. The project will not erode or adversely affect any historic resource or the district.
6. The proposed demolition of the existing single story commercial building (152 N. Glassell
Street) is appropriate, because it is designated as anon-contributing structure constructed in
the 1950's.
7. The proposed demolition of the existing single story garage (152 N. Olive Street) is
appropriate, because it is structurally deteriorated beyond repair, as identified under the
City's historical building inventory survey.
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(DRB No. 3370 Continued)
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to recommend approval of the project to the Planning Commission
subject to the following conditions:
1. The new pedestrian bridge that connects between the two buildings needs to be modified to
have more of an open design with less bulk and mass. Suggest the use of ornate iron work,
and possibly incorporating a gate underneath to restrict access during close of business.
2. The concrete base at the rear of the building needs to be modified to have more of a historic
character and feel. Suggest the use of stone or some type of modular material that appears
more historic.
3. Submit final site, building, landscape, hardscape, lighting, and civil engineering plans to
DRB for approval.
4. Applicant to work with City staff to provide a comprehensive parking plan that includes the
adjacent parcels, in order to achieve a more efficient parking lot layout.
SECOND: Robert Reilly
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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DRB No. 3377
Lutheran High School
2222 N. Santiago Boulevard
Architects Orange
• Expansion of an existing school facility
• R-1-8 (Single Family Residential District)
• Recommendation to Planning Commission
(Applicant not present)
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to continue the project.
SECOND: Robert Reilly
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(3) DRB No. 3383
Dan Arguello
604 E. Almond Avenue
Brian Davis
(Applicant not present)
• Single family residential addition in Old
Towne
• R2-6 (Duplex Residential District)
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to continue the project.
SECOND: Robert Reilly
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(4) DRB No. 3385
Licata's Nutrition Center
162 N. Glassefl Street
Mike Boscia
Storefront modification for an existing retail
business in Old Towne
C-1 (Limited Business District)
The project was presented by Mike Boscia -Carousel Contracting. The proposal is to subdivide
an existing retail space into two smaller tenant space. The project includes the construction of a
new demising wall, and alteration of the existing storefront to accommodate two new entrances.
The exterior finish materials would match the existing, including the flag stone, window glazing
and window framing (an actual sample of the flagstone was presented to the board).
The DRB agreed with what is being proposed by the applicant. However, there are concerns that
the proposal is inconsistent with the 01d Towne Design Standards (page 15), which states
"Narrow framed doors or anodized aluminum storefronts shall not be permitted". The DRB
offered the applicant the opportunity to redesign the project and return to board for review.
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to deny the project, without prejudice, based on the finding that the
proposed use of aluminum store front is inconsistent with the Old Towne Design Standards.
SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack
NOES: Robert Reilly
ABSENT: Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(5) DRB No. 3387
Tom Ambuehl • Replacement residential detached garage
172 N. Shaffer Street in Old Towne
Hustead Construction R2-6 (Duplex Residential District)
The proposal is to demolish an existing detached garage and replace it with a new one. The
project proposes the use of wood windows and doors, including wood lap siding with mitered
corners. The roofing material, trims and colors to match the existing residence. The project has
been scheduled for Planning Commission hearing on December 21, 1998.
Tim McCormack raised concerns with the odd appearance of the small notch cut-out at the
corner of the garage. Also of concern is the use of a hip roof rather than a gable roof to match
the existing front residence. The existing residence is a single story bungalow that has afront-
facing gable roof with triangular bracket supports. Tim stated that he would not support the
project as submitted.
The applicant referred to a photograph of the existing garage which shows a side facing gable
roof, and stated that a new hip roof was chosen because the current zoning ordinance does not
allow roofs over 10 ft. in height within 5 ft. and 10 ft. of the side and rear property lines,
respectively. Additionally, the zoning ordinance requires a minimum 6 ft. distance between
structures that resulted with the corner cut-out of the new garage. The minimum size of a 2-car
garage is 20 ft. x 20 ft. inside (clear) dimension.
Robert Reilly stated that he would not have any problems recommending approval of this project
due to the circumstance with the current code requirements. Also, the new garage is setback well
over 100 ft. from the street, and that no one will see the corner of the garage other than the
occupants of the property.
MOTION by Robert Reilly to approve the project as submitted.
SECOND: None
ABSENT: Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
ABSTAINED: Rick Cavecche
MOTION FAILED (for lack of a second)
NO OTHER MOTIONS WERE BROUGHT FORWARD
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(6) DRB No. 3388
Santa Monica Seafood Company Expansion of an existing seafood
1700 N. Main Street distribution and retail facility
Architectural Design Studio, Inc. M-2 (Industrial District)
The project was presented by Anthony Eckelberry, Project Architect. The proposal is to
construct two additions to an existing building; a new outdoor dining patio; and a realignment of
ingress/egress drives. The additions include a new restroom (170 sq.ft.) and the expansion of the
site's retail area (90 sq.ft.).
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to recommend approval of the project to the Planning Commission,
subject to the following conditions:
1. The concrete columns supporting the new trellis structure shall be a minimum of 12 inches
in diameter.
2. The planter area adjacent to the south side of the new trellis structure shall be a minimum of 4 ft. in
width.
3. Provide shrubbery at new planter.
4. Provide landscaping and irrigation at removed driveway area to match existing.
5. Round front corner at new restroom addition.
6. Submit signag e plans to DRB.
SECOND: Robert Reilly
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(7) DRB No. 3389
Chevron Signage for an existing full service car
1405 W. Chapman Avenue wash facility
Greg Hohn C-2 (General Business District)
The project was presented by Greg Hohn with Chevron. The proposal is to install new Signage
for an existing carwash facility that was recently changed from Union 76 to Chevron.
The DRB raised concerns as follows:
• If the existing fuel pump canopy structure is being replaced with a new one, plans of the new
canopy needs to be included with the submittal.
• The proposed miscellaneous signs, specifically the Point Of Purchase (P.O.S.) signs, appear
to exceed the maximum square footage allowed by code.
• More information is needed on all other existing Signage that are remaining on site. (This
includes but not limited to directional signs, menu board/pricing signs, and all other
miscellaneous signs).
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to continue the project.
SECOND: Robert Reilly
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(8) DRB No. 3390
America On Track •
1431 N. Main Street
Jeff Coffman Architects
Signage for a new indoor recreation facility
M-2 (Industrial District)
The project was presented by Ken Parsons with Coffman Architects. The proposal is to install
new wall signs for a new recreation facility (indoor racetrack) located in an industrial district. In
addition to the primary wall sign over the main entrance along the west building elevation, the
owner is requesting two (2) additional wall signs; a small case letter "d" with the wording
"dromo" installed on the far left side of the south elevation, and a small case letter "d" installed
on the far right side of the west elevation. The two additional "d" letters would be
approximately one-half the size of the "d"letter over the main entrance.
MOTION by Robert Reilly to approve the project subject to the following conditions:
1. Two additional wall signs are also approved; a small case letter "d" with the wording
"dromo" installed on the far left side of the south elevation, and a small case letter "d"
installed on the far right side of the west elevation.
2. The signs are illuminated having no exposed raceways and/or electrical conduits.
3. Any modifications to existing landscaping shall be submitted to the DRB for approval.
SECOND: Rick Cavecche
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(9) DRB No. 3391
Ford of Orange
SEC Main Street & Katella Avenue
AAA Signs
• Signage for a new automotive sales and
service dealership
• C-R (Commercial -Recreation District)
(Approved on the consent calendar)
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to approve the project, subject to the following conditions:
1. Approval is granted for the following wall signs only:
• 4'-0" x 10'-3 1/8" illuminated "~d~D" oval shaped logo
• 1'-6" x 10'-4 1/2" illuminated "FORD OF ORANGE" individual channel letters
• 2'-2" x 35'-10 3/4" illuminated "SERVICE" individual channel letters
2. Review of the new freestanding sign and on-site directional signs are deferred pending
approval of a Variance application by the City's Zoning Administrator for increase in square
footage, and in overall sign height.
SECOND: Robert Reilly
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED