1998-11-18 Final DRC MinutesCity of Orange
Design Review Board
MINUTES
for Wednesday, November 18, 1998
Board Members Present: Rick Cavecche
Tim McCormack*
Steve Prothero
Susan Secoy
(*Arrived at approximately 5:40 p.m.)
Board Member Absent: Robert Reilly
Staff in Attendance: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner
John Godlewski, Senior Project Planner
Howard Morris, Landscape Coordinator
Administrative Session - 4: 30 P.M.
The board met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 p.m.. The meeting adjourned at
approximately 8:50 p. m.
Regular Session - S: 30 P.M.
Review and approval of the November 4, 1998 minutes were deferred to the December 2, 1998
meeting, as it was not yet available.
City of Orange -Design Review Board
Meeting Minutes for November 18, 1998
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(1) DRB No. 3358
Investor Realty Company
NWC Main Street & La Veta
Reeves Associates, Inc. -Architects
New ±40,000 sq. ft. retail center with
drive-thru pharmacy and 2 drive-thru
restaurants
C-2 (General Business District)
The project was presented by David Valentine with Investor Realty Company, Larry Reeves -Project
Architect. The new plan shows pedestrian travel path, and also identifies the location of outdoor
dining areas. The landscape plan shows the location of street trees and how it coordinates with the
new landscaping for the center. Anew meandering walk path has been added at the rear of the
shopping center along Alpine Street. Alighting plan with photometric and brochures are included to
show the type and location of the fixtures and how it fits with the landscaping. Also included are
samples of the type of signage that would be used for this center. A separate sign program will be
submitted at a later date. The building elevations have been revised so that the various architectural
elements are in better proportions per the DRB's suggestion. A section detail drawing is provided to
show the exact depth and profile of the architectural elements. A sight distance study is provided to
show that the roof parapet height is sufficient to properly screen the mechanical equipment.
Steve Capilouto -Architect, presented the project for Carl's Jr. Restaurant. Per the DRB's request,
the tower element has been lowered and the Happy Star logo has been raised to above the roof line.
Also provided are the cornice detail, color palette, and finish material to match the rest of the center.
MOTION by Steve Prothero to approve the project with the following conditions:
1. Prior to issuance of building permits, submit final landscape plans to DRB for approval.
(Recommend upgrading the size and quantity of the Magnolias, as these are slow growing trees)
2. Provide two (2) additional palm trees at the west planter area adjacent to the drive-thru lane for
the Taco Bell restaurant.
3. Indicate size and specie of the Palm trees.
4. Further study the possibility of up-lighting the Palm trees at the southeast corner of the site.
5. Provide several layers of ascending vertical profile planting material along the rear (west) of the
property facing Alpine Road.
6. Submit final lighting plans to DRB for approval. Suggest relocating the lighting fixtures in front
of Retail Building "A" to opposite the planter islands. Select lighting fixtures that does not
conflict with the location of trees.
7. Enhance the paving north of the Rite Aid building. Suggest use of a large square block as a
transition element, in lieu of the diagonal paving pattern.
8. Provide screen wall at entrance to the service and trash enclosure area.
9. Fire sprinkler risers to be located within the building.
10. Roof parapet to be of sufficient height to screen mechanical equipment.
11. Submit sign program to DRB.
SECOND: Rick Cavecche
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Robert Reilly
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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Meeting Minutes for November 18, 1998
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(2) DRB No. 3370
The Courtyard
152 & 154 N. Glassell Street
Leason F. Pomeroy -Architect
New 2-story in-fill retail space addition
C-1 (Limited Business District), Old
Towne
Recommendation to Planning
Commission
The project was presented by the owners Mr. Leason Pomeroy and Mr. Al Ricci. The proposal is
to demolish a 1,600 sq.ft., 1950's building located at 152 N. Glassell Street (S.A.V.I. building),
and a 1,770 sq.ft., 1920's garage located at 152 N. Olive Street. Also proposed is the
construction of a new, one and two story in-fill addition, including a new passageway adjacent to
the existing historic facade located at 154 N. Glassell Street. This development proposes to
increase office and retail area by approximately 5,000 sq.ft. and will provide onsite parking for
16 cars. The project's expected built-out is to be approximately 10,500 sq.ft. The project is
governed by several documents; the Old Towne Design Standards, the Downtown Vision Plan,
the Southwest Redevelopment Project Area Standards, and the Secretary of Interior Standards.
The goal is to enhance and expose the courtyard to public usage, and to set high standards for
future improvement of other projects in the downtown area. The intent is to restore and maintain
existing details, and to design the new construction to compliment and enhance the existing
historic structure. Various plans and alternative schemes were explored to achieve the most
effective use of the site.
The DRB commended the applicant in their efforts to maintain and restore the desirable and
unique features of historic structures, and in the design of new in-fill construction with
sensitivity and careful attention to compatibility with existing neighborhoods. This type of
project will contribute significantly to the revitalization of the overall downtown area. Concerns
were expressed, however, regarding the opening of new windows on the upper level of the
existing S.A.V.I. building. The DRB felt that the proposed modifications to the historic facade
would diminish the historic integrity of the contributing structure. The DRB acknowledge the
fact that although the existing single story garage is listed as a contributing structure, it is
structurally deteriorated beyond repair, as identified under the City's historical building
inventory survey. The DRB also prefers to see the use of more traditional design elements and
materials, as oppose to creating contrast with the introduction of new contemporary styles and
materials.
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to continue the project for further study and development of revised
plans to address the board's comments and concerns.
SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero
NOES: None
ABSENT: Robert Reilly
ABSTAINED: Susan Secoy
MOTION CARRIED
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Meeting Minutes for November 18, 1998
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(3) DRB No. 3371
American Glass Industrial
1105 N. Glassell Street
Atef Kamel
Revised new freestanding sign for an
existing retail business
C-1 (Limited Business) District
The project was presented by the owner Mr. Atef Kamel. This is a modification of a
freestanding sign that was approved on October 7, 1998. The new proposed sign is larger in size
and higher overall.
Tim McCormack again stated that the sign needs more articulation because it still appears like a
temporary sign, and therefore he could not support the project.
MOTION by Steve Prothero to approve the project with the following conditions:
1. The sign text and graphic are approved as submitted. Text and street numbers are red,
border striping is blue, and both of which may be of a reflective material. The sign
background is white, and shall benon-reflective.
2. Provide edge band to encase the sign perimeter on all sides, including top and bottom.
3. Sign posts may be set-in as shown, or set at the edge as an option. However, posts
should not extend above the top of the sign. (4x6 post to be painted white)
4. Overall sign height not to exceed 8 ft. maximum.
5. Overall sign width not to exceed 7 ft. maximum.
6. Sign is non-illuminated.
SECOND: Susan Secoy
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: Tim McCormack
ABSENT: Robert Reilly
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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4) DRB No. 3376
Chapman Storage
NEC Chapman Ave. & Wayfield Street
Valli Architectural Group
New ±123,000 sq.ft. self-storage facility
C-2 (General Business District)
Recommendation to Planning
Commission
(Applicant not present)
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to continue the project.
SECOND: Steve Prothero
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Tim McCormack, Robert Reilly
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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Meeting Minutes for November 18, 1998
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5) DRB No. 3377
Lutheran High School
2222 N. Santiago Boulevard
Architects Orange / Darrel Hebenstriet
Expansion of an existing school facility
R-1-8 (Single Family Residential)
Recommendation to Planning
Commission
(Applicant not present)
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to continue the project.
SECOND: Steve Prothero
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Tim McCormack, Robert Reilly
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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Meeting Minutes for November 18, 1998
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(6) DRB No. 3381
Selman Chevrolet Expansion of an existing automotive
1800 E. Chapman Avenue dealership
Architects Orange C-2 (General Business District)
• Recommendation to Planning Commission
The project was presented by Hugh Rose with Architects Orange. The proposal is to construct
an addition to the sales showroom & office building for parts storage, and to replace the auto
body shop office trailer with a permanent structure. The project has been scheduled for the
December 7, 1998 Planning Commission public hearing.
The DRB suggested that the platform in front of the new body shop office needs better
articulation so that it reads more as an architectural element (plinth), similar to the existing used
car office building. More refinement is needed. As for the parts storage addition, the exterior
finish material should match the existing building.
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to recommend approval of the project to the Planning Commission,
subject to the following conditions:
1. Exterior finish materials for the parts storage addition to match the existing building.
2. Prior to issuance of building permits, submit final plans for the new replacement body shop
office building to the DRB for approval.
SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Robert Reilly
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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Meeting Minutes for November 18, 1998
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(7) DRB No. 3382
Mens Wearhouse
745 S. Main Street, #100
Cal-Neon Signs
New wall sign for a retail tenant within a
shopping center
C-2 (General Business District)
(Approved on the Consent Calendar)
MOTION by Susan Secoy to approve the project as submitted.
SECOND: Steve Prothero
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Tim McCormack, Robert Reilly
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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Meeting Minutes for November 18, 1998
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(8) DRB No. 3384
Red Lundquist
133 S. Shaffer Street
Lenahan Construction Company
Replacement exterior siding for an
existing residence in Old Towne
O-P (Office Professional District)
The project was presented by Red Lundquist, owner of the property, and Pat Lenahan of Lenahan
Construction Company. The proposal is to remove the redwood lap siding on the existing
residence and replace with new masonite siding. This is the same material that was used for a
replacement garage that was approved by the Design Review Board several years ago (DRB #
3113 -November 21, 1995).
Steve Prothero stated that he was on that Design Review Board at the time, but does not recall
approving this material. This is "sheet" siding, and not "lap" siding as originally approved. The
DRB minutes for 11/21/95 indicates masonite composite siding with a 4-inch overlap was
approved.
Rick Cavecche further stated that this material is not acceptable because it does not meet the
City's adopted Old Towne Design Standards.
The applicant was offered the option of continuing this project for further study of alternative
materials, or to accept a final decision and appeal the DRB's decision to the Planning
Commission.
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to deny the project, finding that the proposed use of masonite sheet
siding material does not meet the intent of the City's adopted Old Towne Design Standards,
which is to preserve and protect the historic integrity of historically contributing structures
within the Old Towne District.
MOTION DISCUSSION: Steve Prothero stated as a point of clarification, that in the event that
the applicant finds an acceptable substitute material, and which at that point they no longer wish
to appeal the DRB's decision, that the substitute material should have the same profile as the
existing redwood lap siding that is being replaced.
SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Robert Reilly
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(9) DRB No. 3385
Licata's Nutrition Center
162 N. Glassell Street
Thomas Lowery
Storefront modification for an existing
retail business in Old Towne
C-1 (Limited Business District)
(Applicant not present)
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to continue the project.
SECOND: Steve Prothero
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Robert Reilly
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED