1998-11-04 Final DRC MinutesCity of Orange
Design Review Board
MINUTES
for Wednesday, November 4, 1998
Board Members Present: Tim McCormack*
Steve Prothero
Robert Reilly**
Susan Secoy
(*Arrived at approximately 6:00 p.m.)
(**Left at approximately 7:15 p.m.)
Board Member Absent: Rick Cavecche (Chair)
Staff in Attendance: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner
Howard Morris, Landscape Coordinator
Administrative Session - 4: 30 P.M.
The board met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 p.m.. The meeting adjourned at
approximately 8:45 p. m.
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Regular Session - S: 30 P.M.
(Note: Review of the October 21, 1998 minutes were deferred to the end of the meeting)
A motion was made by Steve Prothero to approve the October 21, 1998 minutes with the
following revisions:
DRB #3373 Burger Kind Restaurant), bullet 9_amended as follows:
• Location of the trash enclosure de°~ ~~~~ does not seem feasible. Needs further study.
SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Rick Cavecche, Robert Reilly
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
A motion was made by Steve Prothero to approve the revisions to the 1998 Design Review
Board Schedule for the month of December.
SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Rick Cavecche, Robert Reilly
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(1) DRB No. 3358
Investor Realty Company
NWC Main Street & La Veta
Reeves Associates, Inc. -Architects
• New ±40,000 sq. ft. retail center with drive-
thru pharmacy and 2 drive-thru restaurants
• C-2 (General Business District)
The project was presented by David Valentine and Steven Gumpert with Investor Realty
Company, Larry Reeves -Project Architect, Steve Capilouto -Architect for Carl's Jr. Restaurant,
and Baray Kariam -Architect for Taco Bell Restaurant. The Conditional Use Permit and Major
Site Plan Review was approved by the Planning Commission on October 5, 1998. Except for
some minor revisions, the overall site plan layout is similar to the previous plans. There are
considerable changes to the building elevation plans since the previous submittal. The overall
square footage of the shopping center has been reduced, and the new design approach is more
contemporary with the use of southwest tiles and warmer colors. The intent is to also further
break-up the building facade, and to soften the design of the Rite Aid building.
The DRB expressed concerns as follows:
• The building elevations lack fascia area for signage opportunities.
• If awnings are used, it would significantly change the appearance of the building.
• Proportions of cornice and entablature element appears weak. Needs to be more substantial.
• The submittal is incomplete due to a lack of details, materials, and signage information.
• Need section detail to show the depth and profile of building design elements.
• What type of lighting fixture is used?
• The Rite Aid drive-thru canopy appears like a foreign element and does not tie-in with the
rest of the building.
• Verify with planning staff if an 8 ft. high wall can be constructed at rear of shopping center.
• Landscaping is inadequate to provide proper screening. (Bottle tree does not grow large)
• Quantity of trees needs to be increased.
• Landscaping lacks continuity. (Perhaps grouping of trees)
• Main & La Veta corner landscape treatment should be enhanced per Southwest
Redevelopment Project Area Design Guidelines.
• Show location of street trees in relationship to new trees provided.
• clearly indicate location of all outdoor dining areas.
MOTION by Steve Prothero to approve the Taco Bell Restaurant building with the following
conditions:
1 . Drop the high parapet and eliminate the cornice.
2 . Extend and shift the star to the left, above the edge of the parapet.
3 . Awning shall be opaque and of a similar material and treatment as the rest of the center.
4 . Submit signage plans to DRB.
SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly, Susan Secoy, Tim McCormack
NOES: None
ABSENT: Rick Cavecche
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(DRB #3358 Continued)
MOTION by Steve Prothero to continue the Carl's Jr. Restaurant building with the following
conditions:
1 . Drop the high parapet and eliminate the cornice.
2 . Extend and shift the star to the left, above the edge of the parapet.
3 . Awning shall be opaque and of a similar material and treatment as the rest of the center.
4 . Submit signage plans to DRB.
SECOND: Susan Secoy
AYES: Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly, Susan Secoy, Tim McCormack
NOES: None
ABSENT: Rick Cavecche
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
MOTION by Steve Prothero to continue the Rite Aid and Retail Building "A" with the following
conditions:
1. Show location of signage and/or awning on building.
2. Raise parapet height approx. 18 inches to create a higher entablature element.
3. Show cornice profile.
4. Submit lighting fixture plan. (Provide catalog)
5. Base color at rear of the building to continue down to the base.
6. No awning is being proposed for the Rite Aid store front. A blue store front frame with clear
glass is proposed.
7. Screening for outdoor garden area is made of 3/8 to 1/2 inch mesh at 4 inches on center on a
painted tube frame.
8. Submit color palette.
9. Further study is needed for columns for garden area screen wall. Stronger solution is
needed.
10. Standing seam roof to match one used for rest of the building.
11. Drive-thru canopy to match similar element at north end of building.
12. Recommend use of an 8 ft. high wall at the rear of the service area. (Staff to verify City
code requirement)
13. Show detail of how the building's stucco finish is broken-up with score lines.
14. Recommend increasing the quantity and size of trees at the rear (west) of the property.
15. Provide two (2) additional trees at the west planter area adjacent to the drive-thru lane for the
Taco Bell restaurant.
16. Provide landscape and irrigation notes on plans per Community Services Department.
17. Indicate location of street trees in relationship to the new landscaping for the center.
18. Provide section detail plan to show the exact depth and profile of the architectural elements,
and to show that the roof parapet height is sufficient to properly screen the mechanical
equipment.
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(DRB #3358 Continued)
1. Provide lighting plan indicating the type and location of the lighting fixtures and how it
coordinates with the landscaping.
2. Submit color palette, sample materials, and signage plans to DRB for approval.
3. Submit final landscape plans to DRB for approval.
MOTION DISCUSSION : Tim McCormack stated that the architectural treatment is
good, and that the landscape concepts for the Taco Bell Restaurant and Carl's Jr. Restaurant is good as
submitted. However, he strongly feels that the quality of landscaping for the overall center is lacking
and therefore is not compatible with the architecture, specifically at the rear of the property. As such, he
cannot support this project.
SECOND: Susan Secoy
AYES: Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly, Susan Secoy
NOES: Tim McCormack
ABSENT: Rick Cavecche
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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DRB No. 3371
American Glass Industrial
1105 N. Glassell Street
Atef Kamel
• Revised new freestanding sign for an
existing retail business
• C-1 (Limited Business) District
(Applicant not present)
MOTION by Robert Reilly to continue the project.
SECOND: Susan Secoy
AYES: Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Rick Cavecche
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(3) DRB No. 3373
Burger King Restaurant New restaurant with drive-thru window
4402 E. Chapman Avenue C-1 (Limited Business District)
Anderson Associates Recommendation to Planning Commission
(Applicant not present)
MOTION by Steve Prothero to continue the project.
SECOND: Robert Reilly
AYES: Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Rick Cavecche
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(4) DRB No. 3376
Chapman Storage
NEC Chapman Ave. & Wayfield Street
Valli Architectural Group
• New ±123,000 sq.ft. self-storage facility
• C-2 (General Business District)
• Recommendation to Planning Commission
The project was presented by Bill Walker with Valli Architectural Group. The proposal to
development a new 123,000 sq.ft. self-storage facility on approximately 1.5 acres of land
adjacent to the 55 Freeway off-ramp.
The DRB commented that this is one of the better looking self-storage facilities that they have
seen, however, there are still concerns with the building elevations especially as viewed from the
freeway off-ramp. The DRB stated that they cannot support the project until the following issues
are resolved:
• More information is needed from CalTrans to determine the exact alignment of the freeway
off-ramp. Are there any landscaping in this area? Are there existing trees that can be saved?
Need plan view and elevations. Also need survey of existing trees.
• DRB is uncomfortable with the tuck-under parking facing Chapman Avenue. There is no
opportunities to break-up and soften-up the building with landscaping and vertical trees.
• SMft the trash enclosures along the south elevation of Building "D" to align with the vertical
edges of the building. This helps to lessen the focus of the trash enclosures.
• The top glass should be carried across the entire length of the building. Submit Glass sample
• Building color needs to be strengthened to create more contrast. Submit color palette.
MOTION by Steve Prothero to continue the project subject to the following conditions:
1. Obtain information from CalTrans to determine exact alignment of freeway off-ramp.
2. Show existing tree resource. Indicate existing trees and tree type to be saved and removed.
3. Submit an alternate glass material. Provide sample of glass.
4. The project needs more embellishment. Perhaps addition of trellis elements. More study is
needed.
5. Reposition the location of the trash enclosures along the south elevation of Building "D" " to
align with the vertical edges of the building to help lessen the prominence of the trash
enclosures.
6. Submit detail drawing of access gate.
7. Submit revised plans to DRB.
SECOND: Susan Secoy
AYES: Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Rick Cavecche
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(5) DRB No. 3377
Lutheran High School
2222 N. Santiago Boulevard
Architects Orange / Darrel Hebenstriet
• Expansion of an existing school facility
• R-1-8 (Single Family Residential)
• Recommendation to Planning Commission
The project was presented by Darrel E. Hebenstreit with Architects Orange. The proposal is to
expand an existing private high school, including new classrooms, relocation of athletic
facilities, and enlargement of the parking facility. This project is tentatively scheduled for public
hearing before the Planning Commission on January 18, 1999.
The DRB expressed concerns as followed:
• Consult with City Traffic Engineering Division to address traffic safety issues.
• View along the north elevation and how it interface with the existing residences to the north.
• Will there be light spillage problems? Need lighting plan and photometrics.
• Provide inventory of existing trees.
• Provide shade canopy tree in field.
• Provide additional landscaping. Add vine along block wall at north property line adjacent to
the residential properties.
• Suggest replacing the Australian Willow with more of a screen tree, or space the willows
closer together.
• Space Palm trees equally in a ring pattern at the open lawn area.
• Create a Palm promenade between the tennis courts.
• Add ground cover and vine planting selection.
• Provide end island planters at end parking aisle and plant with vertical tree element with
shrub and hedge.
• Submit building material samples and color palette.
• Show all walls on plan, existing vs. new.
MOTION by Steve Prothero to continue the project for revisions per above comments.
SECOND: Susan Secoy
AYES: Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Rick Cavecche, Robert Reilly
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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6) DRB No. 3378
Enterprise Car Sales and Rental
1925 N. Tustin Street
Sign Management
• Modification of an existing freestanding
sign for an automotive sales/rental agency
• C-TR (Limited Business District -Tustin
Street Redevelopment Project Area)
The proposal is to install an additional sign cabinet beneath the existing freestanding sign. The
sign cabinet is to identify the company's newly added car rental service at this location.
Enterprise rent-a car is a separate division entity from the car sales division, and the sign is a
corporate design.
The DRB raised concerns with the new cabinet appearing like an add-on. The new sign should
be better integrated with the existing sign.
MOTION by Tim McCormack to approve the project subject to the following conditions:
1. The new sign cabinet shall be mounted flush underneath the existing sign below the street
address numbers.
2. The new sign shall be of the same thickness as the "car sales" panel of the existing sign.
3. The new sign shall be of the same text style as the "car sales" text of the existing sign.
4. The new sign shall be of the same height and width as the "car sales" panel of the existing
sign.
SECOND: Susan Secoy
AYES: Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Rick Cavecche, Robert Reilly
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(7) DRB No. 3379
Presentation Folders • Walls signs for a new industrial facility
1130 N. Main St. & 1621 E. Struck Ave. . M-2 (Industrial District)
A & M Signs
The proposal is to install 3 sets of wall signs on a new industrial building; 2 along the north
elevation and one along the east elevation.
MOTION by Susan Secoy to approve the project as submitted.
SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Rick Cavecche, Robert Reilly
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(8) DRB No. 3380
Orange Commerce Center Remodel pedestrian-level architecture and
505 S. Main Street courtyard for high-rise building
DSR Design C-2 (General Business District)
The proposal is to remodel the exterior pedestrian level architecture and courtyard of an existing
20+ years old high rise building. The intent is to update and revitalize the streetscape facade.
The project includes the addition of new lighting fixtures, and landscape upgrade.
The DRB commended the applicant for their efforts in upgrading the property. The proposed
landscape improvements are heading in the right direction.
MOTION by Tim McCormack to approve the project with the following conditions:
1
2
3
4
5
Building facade improvement plans, including finish materials and color palette are
approved as submitted.
The use of recessed can lighting fixtures are approved.
fixtures)
Store front color to match the bronze window mullions.
Submit final landscape plans to DRB for approval.
Submit signage plans to DRB for approval.
(Color to match the custom bronze
SECOND: Susan Secoy
AYES: Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Rick Cavecche, Robert Reilly
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED