1998-09-23 Final DRC MinutesCity of Orange
Design Review Board
MINUTES
for Wednesday September 23, 1998
Board Members Present:
Board Member Absent
Staff in Attendance:
Rick Cavecche (Chair)
Tim McCormack*
Steve Prothero
Robert Reilly
(*Arrived at approximately 5:40 p.m.)
Susan Secoy
Chuck Lau, Associate Planner
Howard Morris, Landscape Coordinator
Administrative Session - 4: 30 P.M.
The board met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 p.m.. The meeting adjourned at
approximately 8:35 p. m.
Regular Session - S: 30 P.M.
Rick Cavecche opened the meeting. A motion was made by Rick Cavecche to defer the review
and approval of the September 9, 1998 minutes to the October 7, 1998 meeting.
SECOND: Steve Prothero
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Tim McCormack, Susan Secoy
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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1) DRB No. 3359
Elks Building Association of Orange
117 N. Orange Street
Accent Awnings
• New awning and signage for an existing
commercial building in the Old Towne
District
• C-1 (Limited Business District)
(Approved on the consent calendar)
MOTION by Robert Reilly to approve the project as submitted.
SECOND: Steve Prothero
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Tim McCormack, Susan Secoy
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(2) DRB No. 3346
Western Union
1776 N. Tustin Street
Larry Manchel
• Wall sign for an existing convenience
market
• C-TR (Limited Business District, Tustin
Street Redevelopment Project Area)
The project was presented by Larry Manchel. The proposal is to install an additional sign to the
existing wall sign. The new sign is to help identify the added service at this location.
The DRB stated that they have been consistent with their policies of disallowing ancillary signs
because it creates unnecessary clutter. The Board also noted that there are numerous existing
illegal signs that are placed on the building and on the store front windows.
MOTION by Steve Prothero to deny the project, based on the finding that ancillary signs creates
unnecessary clutter.
SECOND: Robert Reilly
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Susan Secoy
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(3) DRB No. 3347
Western Union
123 E. Collins Avenue
Larry Manchel
• Wall sign for an existing liquor store
• C-1 (Limited Business District)
The project was presented by Larry Manchel. The proposal is to install an additional sign to the
existing wall sign. The new sign is to help identify the added service at this location.
The DRB stated that they have been consistent with their policies of disallowing ancillary signs
because it creates unnecessary clutter. The Board also noted that there are numerous existing
illegal signs that are placed on the building and on the store front windows.
MOTION by Steve Prothero to deny the project, based on the finding that ancillary signs creates
unnecessary clutter.
SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Susan Secoy
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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41 DRB No. 3355
Rosalyn Holland
803 E. Palmyra Avenue
Anderson & Associates Architects
• Demolition and replacement of front and
rear facade and new 1% story addition for
an existing residence in Old Towne District.
• R2-6 (Duplex Residential District)
• Recommendation to Planning Commission
The project was presented by Daniel Argento and Ronald Holland. The plans have been revised to
address many of the board's concerns from the previous meeting. The 2 dormers have been redesigned
and lowered, and the front porch have been change to a more period design. Also submitted are detail
drawings of brackets, windows, trims, balcony, railings, columns, etc. An actual sample of the wood
window being used were also presented to the board.
The DRB stated that although this is a contributing structure (1919 California Bungalow), it is not one of
the better examples of this type of architecture. Since the existing residence has already been modified
substantially, the proposed changes will not further detract from its historical significance. The DRB
finds that with careful attention to details and the use of proper materials, the proposed modifications
would result in a project that is more in keeping with the Old Towne Design Standards. The architecture
style is Cottage Bungalow.
The DRB had extensive discussions with the applicant regarding the proposed use of masonite siding in
lieu of wood. One of the primary concern is the exterior corner treatment detail. Traditionally, wood
siding may have a mitered exterior corner that cannot be achieved with masonite siding. This often
results in a compromised design such as the use of metal or wood corner trims. Although the board has
provided the applicant with a distinctive detail of a corner trim treatment as an alternative design, the
board strongly prefers the use of real wood siding with a mitered corner finish.
MOTION Steve Prothero to recommend approval of the project to the Planning Commission,
subject to the following conditions:
1. Increase roof eave overhang to 2 ft. minimum with 2 x 6 exposed rafter tails. (Rain gutters
acceptable)
2. Front porch to have brick pilasters instead of siding. (masonite siding cannot be mitered)
Brick finish to have rustic heavy wire-cut finish with a cast concrete top.
3. Extend out the porch base level to encapsulate the stair edges and railings on both side.
4. Front porch header to be framed-in with 1 x 10's or 1 x 12's vertical face spanning over the
width of the porch.
5. Provide rectangular gable end vents at the lower gable at both the front and rear of the house.
6. Smooth masonite lap siding is approved with 8 inch exposure. Exterior corner trims to have
3 inch exposure, mitered, with a 3/8 inch maximum extension beyond the face of the siding.
(The bottom course of the lap siding to be flared out and flush with the corner trim).
7. Exterior corner trims to be painted the same color as the siding to take design emphasis away
from the corner trims.
8. Lighting fixture to be period to the style of the house.
9. Roofing material and exterior finish color to match existing garage.
10. Wood windows are approved as submitted. (Sierra Pacific -true divided lights)
11. Provide head lap at wood window frames. Lapping may be angled or straight vertical.
12. Submit final revised plans to City Historic Preservation Planning staff for approval.
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SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Susan Secoy
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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51 DRB No. 3358
Investor Realty Company
NWC Main Street & La Veta
Reeves Associates, Inc. -Architects
New ±40,000 sq.ft. retail center with drive-
thru pharmacy and 2 drive-thru restaurants
C-2 (General Business District)
Recommendation to Planning Commission
Applicant not present. No revised plans were submitted for this meeting. Prior to the meeting,
the applicant had contacted staff to request that the DRB take action on the project and make
their recommendations to the Planning Commission based on the previous submittal.
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to recommend the following to the Planning Commission:
• The back of the project will be facing the existing residences on the west side of Alpine
Street. The west building elevation, especially Retail "A" is a lengthy blank wall that
appears rather plain and uninteresting. Require a combination of architectural and
landscaping treatments to create some movement and better articulate the back of the
building and achieve screening. Perhaps some type of trellis element with 3 to 4 layers of
ascending vertical profile planting material would help to soften this area. (The placement
of Palm trees to be coordinated with street trees)
• Roof parapet must be high enough to screen all mechanical equipment from view.
• Bright blue awning for the Rite Aid building is overwhelming. (Ancillary signage such as
"One hour Photo" and "FoodmarC are not allowed.
• The design of Retail "A" building should be more consistent with the architecture of the Rite
Aid Building. Suggest integrating some of the design elements such as cornice details to be
more coherent and compatible. The entrance and end tower elements should be higher to
help break-up the roof line.
• The submitted plans are drawn at 1/16 inch scale which lacks the necessary details.
• Submit color palette and exterior finish materials.
• The project as a whole needs better coordination to create some consistency between the
retail buildings and the pad buildings.
• The submitted building elevations and conceptual landscape plans are not acceptable.
Submit revised plans back to the DRB based on the above discussion.
SECOND: Robert Reilly
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Susan Secoy
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(6) DRB No. 3363
Bennett Law Office
723 W. Chapman Avenue
Pacific Coast Architects
• Addition and replacement of front building
facade in Old Towne
• C-2 (General Business District)
• Recommendation to Planning Commission
The project was presented by the owner Mr. William Bennett, and Philip Edmonson with Pacific
Coast Architects. The proposal is to add-on 6'-ll" to the front of the building and to reconstruct
the facade in the same manner as the existing (Western Storefront) facade. Mr. Edmonson
indicated that they are also seeking approval of an Administrative Adjustment Permit from the
City's Zoning Administrator for a reduction in parking requirement, in order to add-on another
15 ft. to the front of the building for a zero front setback.
The DRB raised concerns with stepping-out the front of the building further than the two
adjacent buildings on each side, although the board acknowledge that the Old Towne Design
Standards (Spoke Streets) allows for zero front setback along West Chapman Avenue. The DRB
also suggested replacing the existing reflective glazing with anon-reflective type, and to "lace-
in" the exterior finish siding so that the new construction appear less as an add-on. The DRB
asked the applicant to first resolve the parking issue to establish the building setback, than return
with a more detailed revised plan to the DRB for final approval.
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to continue this item to allow time for the applicant to resolve the
zoning code issues first.
SECOND: Robert Reilly
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Susan Secoy
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(7) DRB No. 3366
Scott McBride
357 S. Center Street
Scott McBride
Renovation of an existing residence in Old
Towne
R2-6 (Duplex Residential District)
The project was presented by the owner, Mr. Scott McBride. The proposal is to repair and
replace the items that are damaged for an existing California Bungalow. No additional square
footage is being added to the existing residence.
The DRB expressed concerns with the use of non-wood slider windows that are different in
profile than the existing windows.
MOTION by Steve Prothero to approve the project, subject to the following conditions:
1. All remodeling and repair work to match exactly with the existing architecture.
2. Smooth (HardiPlank) lap siding is approved with 5 inch exposure. Exterior corner trims to
have 3 inch exposure, mitered, with a 3/8 inch maximum extension beyond the siding face.
3. Replacement front windows to match the existing window. (Profile & break-up)
4. Provide revised detail plans of side and rear porches. Otherwise, the side and rear porches
are not approved at this time. (Existing aluminum canopy at the rear to be removed)
5. Provide raised panel doors. (including water heater enclosure)
6. Replace vinyl windows with wood windows. (Double hung or casement type are acceptable)
7. Roofing material to be dark, heavy profile composition shingles.
8. Finish color (light tan) to be reviewed and approved by City Historic Preservation Planning
Staff.
SECOND: Robert Reilly
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Susan Secoy
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED