1998-09-09 Final DRC MinutesCity of Orange
Design Review Board
MINUTES
for Wednesday September 9, 1998
Board Members Present: Rick Cavecche (Chair)
Tim McCormack
Steve Prothero
Robert Reilly
Susan Secoy
Board Member Absent: None
Staff in Attendance: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner
Howard Morris, Landscape Coordinator
Administrative Session - 4: 30 P.M.
The board met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 p.m.. The meeting adjourned at
approximately 8:30 p. m.
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Regular Session - 5: 30 P.M.
Rick Cavecche opened the meeting. A motion was made by Steve Prothero to approve the July
8, 1998 minutes (Item #2 - DRB #3261) as submitted.
SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: Susan Secoy
MOTION CARRIED
A motion was made by Steve Prothero to approve the August 5, 1998 minutes as submitted.
SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: Robert Reilly
MOTION CARRIED
A motion was made by Robert Reilly to approve the August 22, 1998 minutes as submitted.
SECOND: Susan Secoy
AYES: Tim McCormack, Robert Reilly, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: Rick Cavecche, Steve Prothero
MOTION CARRIED
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11 DRB No. 3259
Ewing Properties
SEC Main St. & Town & Country Rd
Architects Oranae
• Sign program for a new retail center
• C-2 zone (General Business District)
The project was presented by Jack Selman -Architects Orange. This is a sign program proposal
for the new Orange Town & Country Retail Center.
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to approve the sign program with the following conditions:
1. Location of freestanding sign to be reviewed by City Traffic Engineering Division for proper
vehicular sight line distance. (Recommendation to eliminate one parking stall adjacent to the
sign at the Main Street entrance)
2. Provide low ground cover at the base of the freestanding sign.
3. Freestanding sign to have an opaque background and translucent text.
4. Freestanding sign to have an illuminated address if required by City Fire Department and/or
Police Department.
5. Sign program to include wall signs for the north and west elevations of Major Tenant "A".
6. Sign program does not include wall signs for the north elevation of Shops "A". (Any
signage along this elevation must be submitted to the DRB for review and approval)
SECOND: Steve Prothero
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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DRB No. 3353
Dee & Donald Schaal Addition to an existing residence in the Old
630 E. Walnut Avenue Towne District
John W. Linnert, Architect R-1 (Single Family Residential District)
• Recommendation to Planning Commission
(Approved on Consent Calendar)
MOTION by Steve Prothero to recommend approval of the project to the Planning Commission
with the following condition:
1. Color and materials, including wood windows, to match existing.
SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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DRB No. 3354
Del Taco Facade renovation with new parapet roof
3726 E. Chapman Avenue and signage with exposed neon lighting for
CSI an existing restaurant.
• C-1 (Limited Business District)
The project was presented by Parish Roland with CSI. The proposal is to update the old early 1970's
building with a more contemporary design. This is one of the new franchise corporate design that are
being implemented through-out many of the existing locations.
The DRB stated that the new design appears add-on and does not enhance the existing building. The new
design needs to be better integrated with the existing mansard roof.
MOTION by Robert Reilly to deny the project, based the finding that the proposed new design
conflicts with the existing architecture.
SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(4) DRB No. 3355
Rosalyn Holland
803 E. Palmyra Avenue
Anderson & Associates Architects
• Demolition and replacement of front and
rear facade and new 1% story addition for
an existing residence in Old Towne District.
• R2-6 (Duplex Residential District)
• Recommendation to Planning Commission
The project was presented by the owner Ms. Rosalyn Holland and Daniel Argento. The proposal is to
add-on to the front and rear of the existing residence, and to include a 1 '/z story addition by constructing
a new higher roof with 2 dormers. The project has been scheduled for Planning Commission public hearing on
October 19, 1998.
The DRB noted that this is a contributing structure (1919 California Bungalow) within the Old Towne
district. The board raised concerns as followed:
1. The new addition significantly alters the existing architectural style of the house. The board strongly
discourage alterations of an existing contributing structure to a different architectural style.
2. The new deck in front is not period to the design of the house.
3. The 2 dormer are out of scale and proportion. Suggest redesign.
4. Suggest use of gable end vents instead of hexagon windows.
5. Additional details are needed such as window and door trims (wood), korbals, exterior finish siding,
balcony, railings, etc.
6. Suggest use of larger scale than 1/8 inch to better illustrate the design of the project.
7. Obtain copy of the Old Towne Design Guidelines and work with City's Historic Preservation staff
for help with design.
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to continue the project to allow time for the applicant to make
changes to the plans.
SECOND: Susan Secoy
AYES: Rick Cavecche,
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly, Susan Secoy
MOTION CARRIED
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(5) DRB No. 3358
Investor Realty Company
NWC Main Street & La Veta
Reeves Associates, Inc. -Architects
• New ±40,000 sq.ft. retail center with drive-
thru pharmacy and 2 drive-thru restaurants
• C-2 (General Business District)
• Recommendation to Planning Commission
The project was presented by the owner Mr. David Valentine, and Lee Bothast with Reeves
Architects. The proposal is to redevelop an existing commercial site and construct a new retail
center consisting of a drive-thru pharmacy, 2 drive-thru restaurants and retail tenant spaces. The
project area includes the residential lots along the east side of Alpine Street, which has been
changed to C-2 (General Business District) zone. The project has been scheduled for Planning
Commission public hearing on October 5, 1998.
The DRB raised concerns as follows:
• The back of the project will be facing the existing residences on the west side of Alpine
Street. The west building elevation, especially Retail "A" is a lengthy blank wall that
appears rather plain and uninteresting. Require a combination of architectural and
landscaping treatments to create some movement and better articulate the back of the
building and achieve screening. Perhaps some type of trellis element with 3 to 4 layers of
ascending vertical profile planting material would help to soften this area. (The placement
of Palm trees to be coordinated with street trees)
• Roof parapet must be high enough to screen all mechanical equipment from view.
• Bright blue awning for the Rite Aid building is overwhelming. (Ancillary signage such as
"One hour Photo" and "Foodmart" are not allowed.
• The design of Retail "A" building should be more consistent with the architecture of the Rite
Aid Building. Suggest integrating some of the design elements such as cornice details to be
more coherent and compatible. The entrance and end tower elements should be higher to
help break-up the roof line.
• The submitted plans are drawn at 1/16 inch scale which lacks the necessary details.
• Submit color palette and exterior finish materials.
• The project as a whole needs better coordination to create some consistency between the
retail buildings and the pad buildings.
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to continue the project for further study.
SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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DRB No. 3359
Elks Building Association of Orange • New awning and signage for an existing
117 N. Orange Street commercial building in the Old Towne
Accent Awnings District
• C-1 (Limited Business District)
The project was presented by Paul Moreau with the Elk's Building Association, and Lorraince
Tagliaferri and Gail Schumann with Sunday Sales Antique Mall. The proposal is to install a new
awning with signage along the Orange Street storefront. The awning provides shading from the
hot sun, and the signage provides identification for their business. The awning and signage are
similar to many of the existing businesses in the area.
The DRB discussed the following:
1. Awning covers up existing architectural features (transom windows).
2. Ancillary signs on the awning creates clutter. Suggest relocating the logo and primary sign
that reads "~'~//V~i~j'~Alfs.. f/'0/Dt//B/Yfi4/7T' down to the valance and eliminate the ancillary
verbiage that reads "EStBtBL~BB/B~IS" and COB~BB/BBtS"
3. Blue color awning is too bright and too stark. Suggest dark green or burgundy color instead.
4. Awning appears too contemporary. Suggest a more traditional retractable awning with
draping in the middle and open ends with no side panels. Also suggest splitting into two
smaller awnings instead of one continuos awning.
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to continue the project for revisions based on the above discussion.
SECOND: Robert Reilly
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(7) DRB No. 3360
John's Place
8400 E. Chapman Avenue
Rick Estrado
• Replacement wall signs, new awnings,
window treatment, and exposed neon
striping for a new restaurant tenant
• PC (Planned Community District)
The project was presented by John C., owner of the new restaurant. The proposal is to install
new signage, awnings, neon lighting and window treatment for existing restaurant building
(formerly McDonald's Restaurant).
The DRB discussed with the applicant the following issues:
• Ancillary signage such as "Breakfast Lunch Dinner Salad Bar" creates clutter, and therefore
is not acceptable.
• Use of neon lighting is not in keeping with the architecture of the building, and is
inconsistent with the rest of the center. Suggest only limited use, perhaps at the entry.
• New menu board sign, monument sign and directional signs acceptable.
• New divided light window treatment acceptable
MOTION by Robert Reilly to approve the project with the following conditions:
1. Neon lighting is approved only at the radius main entrance pop-out of the building. The
neon to be installed underneath the edge of the roof canopy overhang. White color neon is
recommended.
2. Awning is approved as submitted. (Awning color to be consistent with the color of the wall
signs)
3. Wall signs are approved as follows:
Elevation facing parking lot is approved with "JOHN'S PLACE RESTAURANT"
Elevation facing Chapman Avenue is approved with "JOHN'S PLACE" and "Drive Thru".
Elevation at radius main entrance is approved with "JOHN'S PLACE RESTAURANT".
3. Wall sign colors are approved with "JOHN'S PLACE" in red, "RESTAURANT" and "Drive
Thru" in blue. (Suggest spacing-out the lettering of "RESTAURANT" for better legibility)
4. Freestanding sign is approved with an opaque background.
5. Directional signs approved with an opaque background.
6. Menu board sign approved as submitted.
7. French style (divided light) window treatment approved as submitted.
SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(8) DRB No. 3361
Janet Crenshaw Demolition of existing detached single car
464 N. Shaffer Street garage and replace with new 2-car garage
Blue Ribbon Builders and storage
• R2-6 (Duplex Residential District)
• Recommendation to Planning Commission
The project was presented by the owner Ms. Janet Crenshaw, and Ron Munoz with Blue Ribbon
Builders. The proposal is to demolish the existing single car garage and replace it with a new 2-
car garage. The project has been scheduled for Planning Commission public hearing on October
19, 1998.
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to recommend approval of the project to the Planning Commission
with the following conditions:
1. Maintain ribbon driveway.
2. Roof pitch to match existing residence.
3. Roof eave overhang to match existing residence.
4. Gable end roof vents to match existing in terms of composition, style and proportion.
5. Roof material and color to match existing residence.
6. Provide wood windows to match existing residence.
7. Provide wood trims at doors and windows to match existing residence.
8. Garage to have sectional recessed panel doors.
SECOND: Robert Reilly
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(9) DRB No. 3364
Red Robin Replacement wall sign and freestanding
2199 N. Tustin Street sign for an existing restaurant tenant at the
ES&A Sign and Awning Company Mall of Orange
• C-TR (Limited Business District -Tustin
Street Redevelopment Project Area)
The project was presented by Dave Campbell with Excel Lighting Services. The proposal is to
install a new wall sign for the Red Robin Restaurant along the fascia of the new architectural
element at the entrance to the Orange Mall. The proposal also includes a sign face change of the
existing freestanding sign along Tustin Street.
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to approve the project with the following conditions:
1. Height of the wall sign shall be limited to two-thirds of the vertical fascia surface (4'- 6")
upon which it is located.
2. Sign face change of the existing freestanding sign is approved as submitted.
SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(10) DRB No. 3365
James Duncan
337 E. River Avenue
Pettibone Construction Company
Addition to an existing residence in the Old
Towne District
R2-6 (Duplex Residential District)
Recommendation to Planning Commission
(Withdrawn by applicant)
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to remove this item from the agenda.
SECOND: Robert Reilly
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(11) DRB No. 3367
Everfresh Cafe & Bakery
3904 E. Chapman Avenue
Sharp Sian & Awning
• New awning with signage
• C-1 (Limited Business District)
The project was presented by the store owner~~~~M~~~~rLLT/i~n~~N~guyen. The proposal is to install a new
fabric awning with verbiage that reads "~iuP~`b""""` ~ 'and "BAKERY EXPRESSO SMOOTHIES" .
The business already has an existing wall sign that reads "DRINKING WATER" with a small logo.
The awning would provided shading for store entrance, and the new verbiage is needed to
identify the new cafe business that is being added at this location.
The DRB expressed concerns with the redundancy of an awning being installed underneath an
existing wood trellis structure. Also of concern is the addition of ancillary signage that creates
clutter. The DRB suggested replacing the existing wall sign to identify the added new business.
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to deny the project, based on the following findings:
1. The proposed awning is architecturally incompatible with the existing center.
2. The proposed ancillary signage creates clutter.
SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED