1998-08-05 Final DRC MinutesCity of Orange
Design Review Board
MINUTES
for Wednesday August 5, 1998
Board Members Present: Rick Cavecche (Chair)
Tim McCormack
Steve Prothero
Susan Secoy
Board Member Absent: Robert Reilly
Staff in Attendance: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner
Howard Morris, Landscape Coordinator
Administrative Session - 4: 30 P.M.
The board met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 p.m.. The meeting adjourned at
approximately 6:40 p. m.
Regular Session - S: 30 P.M.
Rick Cavecche opened the meeting. The July 8, 1998 (Item #2 - DRB #3261) minutes were
deferred for review to the August 19, 1998 meeting.
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A motion made by Rick Cavecche for additional corrections to the revision of the June 24, 1998
minutes is as follows:
DRB #3249 (Mills Corporation) page 2 Stvlon siens the vote was amended follows:
SECOND: Rick Cavecche
AYES: Rick Cavecche, ~ ,Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Tim McCormack
ABSTAINED: None
A motion was made by Rick Cavecche to approve the July 22, 1998 minutes with the following
revisions:
DRB # 3344 (Howard Morgan),pa~e 6, paragraph 1 sentence 5 amended as follows:
The owner voluntarily offered that the rear balcony is to be deleted entirely.
DRB #3348 (St. John's Lutheran Church), page 9, the vote was amended as follows:
SECOND: Steve Prothero
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: T:w, "~~~'~-m~~'~, Robert Reilly
ABSTAINED: None
DRB #3349 (LA Fitness), page 10, condition 2, sentence 1 amended as follows:
2. Add landscaping in areas hat are not required for minimum drive aisle throughout parking
lot area.
Page 10, condition 2, sentence 2 and 3 amended as follows:
2. Provide minimum one tree per 6 parking spaces Add
planting fingers in parking lot area.
SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Robert Reilly
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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Page 3
~1) DRB No. 3265
Carmax
Orange Drive-In site (State College BI.)
James E. Baldovin, Landscape Architect
• Final landscape plan for proposed
automotive sales facility
• M-1 (Industrial District), Southwest
Redevelopment Project Area
(Applicant not present)
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to continue this project.
SECOND: Steve Prothero
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Robert Reilly
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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_ (2) DRB No. 3303
Orange Heights Senior Housing
340 Newport Blvd.
Cathcart/Begin Landscape Architects
• Final landscape plans for a new 87 units
senior citizen housing project
• C-1 (Limited Business) District
The project was presented by the owner Mr. Jerry Greubel, and Bill Cathcart -Landscape
Architect. This is a submittal of the final landscape plans prior to issuance of building permits.
The final plans included hydroseed mixes for the irrigated and non-irrigated areas. The non-
irrigated area will be hydroseeded when first rain arrives in late November/early December.
MOTION by Tim McCormack to approve the project subject to the following conditions:
1. Delete Oenothera Speciosa from hydroseed mix.
2. The non-irrigated area to be hydroseeded when first rain arrives in late November/early
December.
3. Community Services Department staff to monitor final inspection of the project.
SECOND: Steve Prothero
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Robert Reilly
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(3) DRB No. 3317
Covenant Community Church New freestanding sign for an existing
221 N. Waverly Street church facility
E.L.C. • R-1-6 (Residential -Sin le Family District)
The project was presented by Pastor Robert Schorr, Paul Mitchell and Don Sutton with the Covenant
Community Church. Variance 2049-98 was approved by the Zoning Administrator to exceed the
maximum sign face area allowed by code. The plans have been revised to address the DRB's concerns
from the previous meeting. The new design match the architecture of the existing church along the south
building elevation. This is the original building design in which historic significance should be based
upon, and not the west building elevation that was added on subsequently. Internally illuminated signs in
residential districts are limited to 0.25 foot-candles at the property line by code.
The DRB stated that although the revised sign plans are much improved over the previous submittal, they
are still concerns with the amount of illumination, especially the changeable copy reader board. Tim
McCormack commented that this type of signage would work well in a commercial district, but is not
appropriate in a residential neighborhood.
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to approve the project subject to the following conditions:
1. Provide an opaque background (field) for the upper portion of the sign with illumination of
only the text "Covenant COMMUNITY CHURCH" and church logo.
2. Provide an additional layer of plexi-glass behind the changeable reader board to reduce the
intensity level of the lighting by a minimum of 50 percent.
3. Lighting of the sign to be uniform.
4. City staff to verify the lighting level upon installation of the sign.
SECOND: Susan Secoy
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: Tim McCormack
ABSENT: Robert Reilly
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(4) DRB No. 3346
Western Union Wall sign addition for an existing liquor
1776 N. Tustin Street store
Larry Manchel C-TR (Limited Business District, Tustin
Street Redevelopment Project Area)
(Applicant not present)
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to continue the project.
SECOND: Steve Prothero
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Robert Reilly
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(5) DRB No. 3347
Western Union Wall sign addition for an existing
123 E. Collins Avenue convenience market
Larry Manchel C-1 (Limited Business District)
(Applicant not present)
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to continue the project.
SECOND: Steve Prothero
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Robert Reilly
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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_ (6) DRB No. 3350
Radio Shack
101 S. Glassell Street
Tandy Sign Company
• Under canopy/hanging pedestrian signs
and window signs for an existing
commercial building
• C-1 (Limited Business District)
Old Towne Historic District
(Applicant not present)
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to continue this project
SECOND: Steve Prothero
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Tim McCormack, Robert Reilly
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(7) DRB No. 3351
First United Methodist Church of Orange
161 S. Orange Street
Fumco Signage
Wall signs for an existing church building
• C-2 (General Business District)
• Old Towne Historic District
(Approved on the consent calendar)
MOTION by Susan Secoy to approve the project with the following conditions:
1. Sign type "A" is approved with Option "B"
2. Sign type "B" is approved with Option "C"
SECOND: Steve Prothero
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Robert Reilly
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(8) DRB No. 3352
We The People Legal Document Service
595 S. City Drive
Bellflower Neon Sign Company
• Wall signs for an existing office building
• C-1 (Limited Business District)
The project was presented by Tom Rallo, owner of the business, and Gene Clausen with
Bellflower Neon Sign Company. The proposal is to install new wall signs along the south and
west building elevations. Individual channel letters are now being proposed instead of the
cabinet sign that was originally submitted.
The board raised concern with code issues pertaining to the use of telephone numbers, and that
the sign along the south elevation is in excess of the two-thirds (2/3) ratio height limit of the
vertical surface (fascia) upon which it is located. The applicant can either reduce the sign letter
height, or shift the sign further west which has a much larger fascia area.
MOTION by Steve Prothero to approve the project with the following conditions:
1. West Elevation: Individual channel letters approved with cabinet logo and Tag-line cabinet
sign centered under the channel letters. Delete the verbiage "SELF HELP LEGAL" from
Tag-line cabinet sign to reduce clutter.
2. South Elevation: Individual channel letters approved with cabinet logo and Tag-line cabinet
sign centered under the channel letters. Delete the telephone numbers from Tag-line cabinet
sign to comply with code. Relocate the sign further west to the larger fascia area to comply
with code requirement for two-thirds (2/3) ratio height limit.
3. Electric conduits to be flush mounted with no exposed raceways.
SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Robert Reilly
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED