1998-07-08 Final DRC MinutesCity of Orange
Design Review Board
MINUTES
for Wednesday July 8, 1998
Board Members Present:
Board Member Absent
Staff in Attendance
Rick Cavecche (Chair)
Tim McCormack
Steve Prothero
Robert Reilly
None
Chuck Lau, Associate Planner
Administrative Session - 4: 30 P.M.
The board met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 P.M. The meeting adjourned at
approximately 8:10 p.m.
Regular Session - S: 30 P.M.
Rick Cavecche opened the meeting. A motion was made by Robert Reilly to defer the review
and approval of the June 17 and June 24, 1998 minutes to the July 22, 1998 meeting.
SECOND: Rick Cavecche
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(1) DRB No. 3249
Ron Jon
City Mills Shopping Center Complex
Design Forum Architects
• Final review of elevations for new retail
tenant at the City Mills Shopping Center.
• C-2 (General Business District)
The project was presented by Debra Warner with the Mills Corporation, and Declan McCormack with
Design Forum Architects. Further development of the project revealed the complexity and cost involved
with the original wave design. The design has been simplified so that the wave element would only
occur at the store front entrance.
MOTION by Steve Prothero to approve the project including the signage, subject to the
following conditions:
I. Modify the landscaping in front of the loading dock screen wall by deleting the Pepper trees
and replace with Washingtonian palms of varying trunk height similar to the other palms that
are used through out the shopping center, and to also replace the ground cover with turf.
SECOND: Robert Reilly
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: Tim McCormack
MOTION CARRIED
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(2) DRB No. 3261
Ralph Zehner Demolition of an existing garage and 5-unit
630 E. Culver Avenue residential addition on property that now
Bob Gibson -Designer contains a single family residence.
• R-2-6 (Residential Duplex District), Old
Towne
The project was presented by the owner, Mr. Ralph Zehner. The current submittal is an effort to
modify the proposal to be more in keeping with the Old Towne Design Standards than the
previous application. The new plans reduces the size of the structures to 1 % stories, which also
eliminates the need for a conditional use permit. The new design is in Craftsman style which
include 2 duplex units, one cottage unit, and a single story 7-car garage. The existing single
story residence is to remain unchanged. The new proposed F.A.R. has been reduced from the
previous 0.58 down to approximately 0.45. This project has been scheduled for Planning
Commission hearing on July 20, 1998.
The DRB stated that the applicant has made some significant changes to the project in regards to
architectural appearance, placement of structures on the site and the height of the buildings have
been lowered from 2-stories to 1'/z stories. However, many of the issues that were identified at
the previous meetings have not been addressed. The current submittal still does not meet the
intent of the design standards for many of the same reasons that were stated in the previous
meetings. The project F.A.R. (Floor Area Ratio) complies with the minimum requirements. The
existing F.A.R. on the site is approximately 0.06 and the existing average F.A.R. in the
neighborhood is approximately 0.08. The new project's proposed F.A.R. is approximately 0.45.
This is a significant increase that is not appropriate for the area. The DRB acknowledge the fact
that due to the new increased density in the area, one would expect that a certain number of units
can be build on this property. However, due to certain mitigating circumstances (perhaps the
configuration of the deep narrow lot), the number of units being proposed on this particular site
may not be appropriate. Based on the discussion relating to bulk and mass, architectural design,
and open space/landscaping, the DRB suggested the following changes to improve the project:
1. Most of the open space is being maintained at the front of the property, and is penalizing the
rear of the property. Recommend removing the excess single car garage and shift the 4-
single car garages, the 25 ft. wide double loaded drive aisle, and the open parking spaces
forward approximately 11 ft. to create more open space area.
2. Unit A, being only 18 ft. wide, is out of proportion and does not work architecturally.
Recommend redesign and possibly integrating unit A with B & C to create one single
building. Consider changing to single story design and/or one bedroom units to help reduce
bulk and mass. This would also create more open space between the buildings.
3. Recommend changing to a shed type roof over the east end single car garage (sloping down
towards the east property line). This helps to keep the bulk of the building over the 3 middle
garages and reduce the impact of the roof height from the adjacent property. This also
creates an opportunity to shift the end garage 3 ft. north to help further break-up the plane of
4 continuous garage doors.
4. Recommend changing the focus of the front porch of unit D to orient towards more open
space area potentially being created to the east.
5. Recommendation to eliminate existing storage shed (takes up valuable open space).
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6. Need more details on building:
• Fascia and gable roof end treatment
• Finish material sample
Windows (Should match existing)
• Garage door and man door designs
7. The proposed plan lacks border shrubbery and trees to help soften the project. Recommend
professional landscape plan.
8. Submit plans for trash enclosure and laundry room.
9. Design of the new units must be consistent with the existing house and compatible with the
surrounding neighborhood.
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to recommend denial of this project to the Planning Commission
based on the following findings:
1. The development standards and design criteria contained in the Old Towne Standards apply
to all historic structures within the residential quadrants. These requirements are in addition
to the zoning standards applicable to each property. Where conflict arises, these standards
supersede base zoning requirements. With the understanding that the purpose of the Old
Towne Design Standards and design review process as it relates to projects within the Old
Towne Historic District, it is intended to protect the historic and architectural resources
which contributed to the cultural richness of Old Towne. The protection of the Old Towne
Historic District will ensure that the City's unique quality will remain for the enjoyment,
pride and economic benefit for its citizens. The board also understands that design standards
were developed to implement the City's General Plan Historic Preservation Element, to
protect the desirable and unique features of historic neighborhoods, and to protect and to
ensure that new construction is structurally and aesthetically compatible with existing
historic neighborhoods.
2. This block has the only remaining examples of small orchards or small ranch farms in the
historic district. These sites represents the transitional period of development of Orange
from small ranches to residential development. These large 300 ft. deep lots have an average
open space of 15, 670 sq.ft. and are unique to the neighborhood, the district, and the city.
Design criteria requiring: 1) the project shall retain the historic relationship between
buildings, landscape features and open space. 2) Additions shall be designed and
constructed so as to not significantly change, obscure, damage, or destroy the character
defining features of an historic building or feature. The average statistics on Culver lots are
17, 363 sq.ft., average building size are 1,690 sq.ft. and average F.A.R. is 0.08. The
proposed project's 0.45 F.A.R. is inappropriate for the area, and is therefore not consistent
with the Old Towne Design Standards.
3. Included also are the items that were previously identified and made record on the meeting
minutes for the November 19, 1997 DRB meeting.
SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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DRB No. 3265
Carmax
Orange Drive-In site (State College BI.)
Joseph Bricio, Architect
• Final landscape plan for proposed auto
sales facility
• M-1 (Industrial) District; Southwest
Redevelopment Project Area
Applicant not present
MOTION by Robert Reilly to continue this project.
SECOND: Rick Cavecche
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(4) DRB No. 3323
Kings Fish House
1521 W. Katella Avenue
Architects Design Consortium
• Sign program for a restaurant tenant at
Century Stadium Promenade
• C-R (Commercial -Recreation District)
(Approved on the consent calendar)
MOTION by Robert Reilly to approve this project as submitted.
SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: Steve Prothero
MOTION CARRIED
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5) DRB No. 3330
Lusk-Nohl Office Complex
2854 N. Santiago Boulevard
Robert Griffith
• New sign program for an existing 2-story
office complex
• C-TR (Limited Business District -Tustin
Street Redevelopment Project Area)
(Approved on the consent calendar)
MOTION by Steve Prothero to approve this project with the following conditions:
1. Eliminate neon band lighting on freeway sign.
SECOND: Robert Reilly
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(6) DRB No. 3335
Lynda Whitmire
493 S. Orange Street
Russell W. Toepfer, Architect
• New 2-story second unit and demolition of
an existing detached single car garage
• R2-6 (Duplex Residential) District, Old
Towne
• Recommendation to Planning Commission
The project was presented by Scott Fike and Russell Toepfer, Architect. The rear building setback has
been increased to 13 ft. ,and the second story footprint has been reduced by approximately 100 sq.ft. size
to minimize the bulk and mass of the building. The cantilever has been eliminated and replaced with a
small 2 ft. by 6 ft. wide pop-out which creates more movement to that building elevation. The project
remained as a 2-story design. This project has been postponed to the Planning Commission hearing on
July 20, 1998.
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to recommend approve of this project to the Planning Commission,
subject to the following conditions:
1. Exterior finish materials including siding, windows and doors to match existing residence.
2. Roof pitch to match existing residence.
3. Change dormer to shed type and lower approximately 2 to 3 ft. down from ridge.
4. Provide cap treatment on exterior stairway railings.
5. Modify stair post at entrance to match porch on existing residence.
6. Provide ribbon style driveway for new garage.
7. Set fence back along La Veta Avenue to provide for a2 ft. wide planter on exterior side of fence.
8. Submit lighting fixture detail to DRB for approval.
9. Prior to issuance of building permits, submit final plans to the DRB for approval.
SECOND: Robert Reilly
AYES: Rick Cavecche,
NOES: Steve Prothero
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
Tim McCormack, Robert Reilly
MOTION CARRIED
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(7) DRB No. 3338
George Klimek New 5 lot residential subdivision
South of Santiago Canyon Road R1-40 (Single Family Residential) District
East of Jamestown Way Recommendation to Planning Commission
Brion S. Jeannette
The project was presented by Brion Jeannette, Project Architect. The proposal is to create a 5 lot
single family residential subdivision on approximately 6.2 acres of land. The intent is to
construct a new single family residence of approximately 32,000 sq.ft. in size with miscellaneous
out buildings.
MOTION by Steve Prothero to recommend approve of this project as submitted to the Planning
Commission.
SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(8) DRB No. 3340
Pizza Pete's of Orange Sign graphics for a pizza restaurant
1110 N. Tustin Street • C-1 (Limited Business) District
Carey Sign Graphics
Applicant not present.
MOTION by Robert Reilly to continue this project.
SECOND: Rick Cavecche
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(9) DRB No. 3341
Rock Creek Ranch-West Parcel
SWC Walnut Avenue & Prospect St.
Fred Talarico
• 67 dwelling unit residential condominium
development.
• Recommendation to Planning Commission.
The project was presented by Vicky Mata with Beazer Homes and Fred Talarico -Project
Consultant. The proposal is to construct a 66 units multiple family residential complex on the
west parcel of the Rock Creek Ranch development. The DRB has previously reviewed and
approved a nearly identical project on the South Parcel. This is a submittal of the final phase of
the same development.
MOTION by Tim McCormack to recommend approval of this project to the Planning
Commission with the following conditions:
1. Building elevation plans approved as submitted.
2. Add 3 trees in the paseo area between Buildings #3 & 4, similar to other paseo areas within
the project.
3. Add landscaping (trees and shrubs) to common area at the triangular space behind Building
#1.
4. Provide 2 pedestrian crossings at common recreation pool area. This may be accomplished
with painted speed bumps or enhanced pavement.
5. Add pedestrian walkway in front of Building #4 to provide access to children play area.
6. Modify walkway location to add tree wells (minimum City standard 3' x 3') in front of
Buildings #1, 2, 5, 11, 12, 13 & 14 to create a unified streetscape. (Tree selection to be
determined by applicant).
7. Provide turf at northeast corner of project site.
8. Upgrade size of Queen Palms from 36 inch box to minimum 12 ft. brown trunk height.
(Alms rhombifolia may be reduced in size [minimum 15 gallon] to defer cost for palm tree
upgrade)
9. Add a variety of vines for usage on walls and trellis structures.
10. Provide City required inspection notes on landscape and irrigation plans.
11. Reduce spacing of street trees along right of way from 45 ft. to 35 ft. on center.
12. Prior to issuance of building permits, submit final landscape plans to DRB for approval.
SECOND: Robert Reilly
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(10) DRB No. 3344
Howard Morgan Accessory second unit housing addition
835 N. Lincoln Street R1-6 (Single Family Residential) District
Bert Tarauat, Architect Recommendation to Planning Commission
The project was presented by Howard Morgan.. The proposal is to extend the existing garage
back 34 ft. to accommodate an recreation vehicle, and construct a 616 sq. ft. accessory second
unit over the new garage. This project has been scheduled for Planing Commission hearing on
August 3, 1998.
The DRB expressed concerns with the issue of privacy for the adjoining neighbors to the south.
The DRB suggested replacing the see-thru metal railing at the patio with a higher solid wall
element, and the use of smaller bedroom windows mounted higher up along the south building
elevation. The DRB also noticed that the traditional design of the new unit is inconsistent with
the existing house's contemporary style architecture.
MOTION by Steve Prothero to continue this item to the July 22, 1998 meeting with the
following changes:
1. Replace the see-thru metal railing along the south side of the building with a higher solid
wall element to continue around to the west elevation.
2. Second story bedroom windows to be replaced with smaller windows mounted higher up, or
provide opaque glass if the larger windows are used.
3. The architectural style of the existing house and the new addition should be more
compatible. Suggest use of stucco finish on the first level and shingles on the upper level.
SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(11) DRB No. 3345
Outback-Taft Self Storage
1944 E. Taft Avenue
Fullers Sign & Design
• Signage for a new self storage facility
• M-1 (Light Manufacturing) District
(Approved on the consent calendar)
MOTION by Tim McCormack to approve this project as submitted.
SECOND: Steve Prothero
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED