1998-05-20 Final DRC MinutesCity of Orange
Design Review Board
MINUTES
for Wednesday, May 20,1998
Board Members Present
Board Member Absent
Staff in Attendance
Rick Cavecche (Chair)
Tim McCormack
Steve Prothero
Robert Reilly
None
Chuck Lau, Associate Planner
Howard Morris, Landscape Coordinator
Administrative Session - 4: 30 P.M.
The board met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 P.M. The meeting adjourned at
approximately 7:45 p.m.
Regular Session - S: 30 P.M.
Rick Cavecche opened the meeting. A motion was made by Rick Cavecche to defer the review
and approval of the Apri122, 1998 minutes to the June 3, 1998 meeting.
SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
A motion was made by Steve Prothero to approve the May 6, 1998 minutes as submitted.
SECOND: Robert Reilly
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(1) DRB No. 3284
Hojo Inn
1930 E. Katella Avenue
LIM Architects
• Addition and renovation of an existing
motel
• C-TR (Limited Business District -Tustin
Street Redevelopment Project Area)
The project was presented by the owner, Mr. Praful Patel and the Project Architect, Tom Lim.
The plans have been revised to incorporate the board's recommended changes from the previous
submittal.
MOTION by Tim McCormack to approve the project subject to the following conditions:
1. Building finish material and color palette approved as submitted. The trim bands and
window sills along the front building elevation facing Katella Avenue to be painted the same
darker accent color used for the soffit.
2. Provide additional architectural detailing (band) along the east building elevation at the base
of the pop-outs.
3. Arrange Cypresses in a formal pattern at the east end of the property to match existing
Cypresses on the adjacent property.
4. Reduce spacing of Rhaphiolepis to provide fuller coverage. Suggest 24" in lieu of 48" O.C.
5. Placement of Flax to be moved away from walkways.
6. Recommend replacing the Dieter vegata with Liriope gigantea at pop-outs in groupings of
either 2 or 4 at each planter.
7. Rhaphiolepis indica `Majestic Beauty' to be specified Standard Tree Form.
8. Reduce spacing of ground cover: Ivy Geranium from 12" to 8" O.C. and Needlepoint Ivy
from 18" to 8" O.C. to provide fuller coverage.
9. Provide City required landscape and irrigation inspection notes on plan.
10. Final landscape plans to be reviewed and approved by City Community Services Department
staff.
SECOND: Robert Reilly
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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DRB No. 3300
Ford of Orange
S. E. Corner Main Street &Katella Ave
Dennis Flynn Architects
• New automotive dealership facility
• C-R (Commercial-Recreational District)
The project was presented by Dennis Flynn, Architect. This is a final plan review prior to submittal for
building plan check to the Building Department. The revised plans showed the changes that were
recommended by the board from the previous meetings.
MOTION by Tim McCormack to approve the project subject to the following conditions:
1. Final site plan and building elevations are approved as submitted. (Roof top lighting fixtures shown
at 15 ft. high are approved as submitted).
2. Strongly recommend that Queen Palms be increased to 16 to 20 ft. brown trunk height to match the
Washingtonian Palms which are also 16 to 20 ft. brown trunk height.
3. Carrot Wood trees to be specified Standard Tree Form.
4. Tabebuias and Melaleucas to be specified either Multiple or Standard Tree Forms.
5. Spacing of Yellow Trailing Gazania to be 8" O.C. instead of 12" O.C.
6. Provide trellis structure attached to walls for the Blood Red Trumpet Vine to achieve full coverage.
Otherwise, substitute with one gallon Boston Ivy.
7. Reconsider shrub layout at service entrance driveway along Main Street. Suggest replacing the
Xylosma with Ligustrum, or modified by eliminating approximately 6 to 8 shrubs (Xylosma -due to
its relative large size) to avoid possible vehicular sight distance problems.
8. Relocate the Flax to behind the Tabebuia tree at the planter area in front of the parts building along
Main Street.
9. Street trees (Ficus Benjamina) to be located in a staggered spacing pattern to the Washingtonian
Palms along Both Main Street and Katella Avenue.
10. Recommend reconsider the use of Flax that can grow up to 8 ft. high in front of the showroom area.
Suggest replacing it with a shorter variety Flax that may be more appropriate at this area.
11. Provide City required landscape and irrigation inspection notes on plan.
12. Final landscape plans to be reviewed and approved by City Community Services Department staff.
SECOND: Robert Reilly
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: Steve Prothero
MOTION CARRIED
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3) DRB No. 3303
Orange Heights Senior Housing
340 Newport Blvd.
Cathcart/Begin Landscape Architects
New 87 units senior citizen housing project
C-1 (Limited Business District)
The project was presented by Leonard Feldner with Cathcart/Begin Landscape Architects. New plans
were not submitted for this meeting because there are no design changes.
The DRB noted that the landscape plan does not correspond with the approved grading plans.
Mr. Feldner replied that the grading plans have been revised and that the final landscape plans
(construction documents) will match the revised grading plans. (The crib wall has now been eliminated
and other off-site improvements have been changed). Mr. Feldner also stated that they intend to move
forward with the preparation of construction documents.
The DRB again raised concerns with the lack of accurate and updated information. It is also unclear as
to what the existing native vegetation is. Mr. McCormack stated that both agricultural and geotechnical
soil reports are needed to properly address the slope conditions of this site and the adjoining site. Other
issues such as erosion control, fuel modification, etc. By simply saying that the cut slopes are not to be
planted is not a good design approach. Other options should be studied prior to arriving at a solution.
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to continue this project to the next meeting for further plan development.
SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(4) DRB No. 3326
Luis E. Marquez
424 S. Olive Street
Joe Mark Design
• Addition onto an existing residence with
new detached 2-car garage and workshop
• R-4 (Multiple -Family Residential District),
Old Towne
The project was presented by the owner, Mr. Luis Marquez. The plans have been revised to address the
board's concerns from the previous submittal.
MOTION by Steve Prothero to approve the project subject to the following conditions:
1. Revise the site and roof plan to correspond with the floor plan and building elevations.
2. Garage door to be a flat panel sectional roll-up door.
3. All exterior man doors to be a panel door with a 2, 3, 4 or 6 panel design. (Glass lights are also
acceptable)
4. Building siding material to be 5" masonite lap siding with mitered corners. (The owner also has the
option of replacing the wood siding on the existing house with the new siding)
5. New gable vents to match the existing ones in design and proportion.
SECOND: Robert Reilly
AYES: Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: Rick Cavecche
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(5) DRB No. 3334
Greystone Homes S. E. Corner Canal New 123 dwelling unit residential
Street & Heim Ave. condominium project
Don McDougall Proposed R-3 (Multiple-Family Residential
District)
The project was presented by Don McDougell with Greystone Homes, and Thomas Cox -
Architect. The proposal is to develop a 3-story, 123 units residential condominium project. This
project is tentatively scheduled for Planning Commission hearing in late July or early August.
The DRB raised concerns with on-site pedestrian access, especially the issue of the location of
guest parking in relationship to the individual units. The board recognize that the total number
of parking spaces exceed the minimum code requirements, however, the proposed tandem garage
parking arrangement is inconvenient for its users, and therefore is likely to create parking
problems. The board noted that although the architectural design of the buildings are good, the
site plan layout failed to provide a comfortable environment for the occupants. The DRB could
not evaluate the proposed landscaping, as there was no planting palette provided.
MOTION by Steve Prothero to recommend to the Planning Commission as follows:
1. The architectural elements of the building are well thought-out, noting that the 3-story
building height is mitigated with proper designed.
2. The proposed site plan layout is not acceptable. Accessibility to the units are poor due to a
lack of pedestrian pathways. Some of the building layouts have garages that face each other
with pedestrian access down the drive aisle between the garages.. This creates a narrow
alleyway that results with an uncomfortable environment.
3. Some of the units are setback only 7ft. from the south and east property lines which are
adjacent to commercial uses. It is questionable if the use of landscaping would be adequate
to fully mitigate the negative impacts of such a narrow pathway.
4. The proposed tandem parking arrangement is not an acceptable solution. This also has a
negative impact on guest parking.
5. The preliminary landscaping plans submitted appear to illustrate a very lush landscaping
concept. However, since no planting palette was provided, the DRB cannot make any
comments at this point.
6. The issue of security also needs to be addressed, particularly for all the units that front
towards the adjoining commercial properties.
SECOND: Robert Reilly
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(6) DRB No. 3283
Wells Fargo Bank
101 East Chapman Avenue
Plasti-Line West
New multiple tenant wall signs for an
existing commercial building in Old Towne
C-1 (Limited Business) District
The project was presented by Joyce Sehi with Quality Project Coordinating. The original signage
proposal was denied by the DRB on January 21, 1998, and was subsequently appealed to the Planning
Commission on March 16, 1998. The Planning Commission upheld the DRB's decision to deny the
project, finding that the proposed signage is not consistent with the Old Towne Design Standards. This
is a re-submittal of signage plans that have been revised in accordance with the DRB's recommendation
from previous meetings.
The DRB expressed concern with the revised plans as follows:
• Although black color lettering already exist on the building, the use of antique bronze/gold color
would be more in keeping with the period of the building.
• The shape/style of the goose neck lamp fixture and its proposed color (#44 Basic White) are
inappropriate for this building. Additionally, the proposed mounting location for these lighting
fixtures above the entablature is also ineffective and inappropriate.
• The submitted computer generated plans are only for illustrative and graphic purposes, and are not
drawn to scale. The submitted plans does not provide an accurate, detailed view of how these
lighting fixtures would work on the building.
• The architrave molding on the entablature steps out approximately 6" to 8" from the face of the
building. This area may potentially be used for the installation of some up-lighting for the wall
signs. A building cross section detail is needed to determine if this a viable solution.
• The overall height of the sign lettering ("WELLS FARGO" & "STARBUCKS COFFEE") shall be
no more than two-thirds of the height of the vertical surface (frieze) that it is mounted on. (The
existing lettering complies with this code requirement)
MOTION by Steve Prothero to approve the proposed wall signs, and to continue review of the
lighting for the historically contributing portion of the building with the following conditions:
The signage text mounted on the newer brick wall surface along the south building elevation
(non-contributing portion) are approved as submitted. Recommend use of black 7" cast
letters mounted with some relief from the building face (i.e. pegged). Gooseneck lighting
fixtures are approved with the "E-2" arm extensions and with either the "Angle Reflector"
shade or the "Emblem" Shade in a 7 inch diameter size. (The proposed "Warehouse" shade
is not approved). The color of the fixture to match the color of the original main bank
building. Light source (brightness) to be limited to 40 watt incandescent or 15 watt metal
halide.
The proposed Clarendon lettering type style is approved for the main historically
contributing building. The overall height of the sign lettering ("WELLS FARGO" &
"STARBUCKS COFFEE") shall be no more than two-thirds of the height of the vertical
surface (frieze) that it is mounted on. Lettering color to be an antique bronze/gold color that
is more in keeping with the period of the building. (Note: Extra care should be taken for the
removal of the existing lettering to avoid further damage to the building, and to assure that
any previous damage be patched and restored diligently to match the existing main building.
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Signage lighting for the main historically contributing building is NOT approved and is continued for
review due to a lack of study and detailed information. The applicant to submitted plans that provide
an accurate, detailed view of how and where the lighting fixtures are to be anchored to the building.
The applicant to also study an alternative solution of installing fixtures on top of the architrave
molding to provide up-lighting for the wall signs. A building profile cross section detail is needed to
determine if this a viable solution.
SECOND: Robert Reilly
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(7) DRB No. 3336
Varco International
759 North Eckhoff Street
WBSA Architects
• New 25,000 sq. ft. industrial facility
addition.
• M-2 (Industrial District)
(Approved on the consent calendar)
MOTION by Robert Reilly to recommend approval of this project to the Planning Commission as
submitted.
SECOND: Rick Cavecche
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Robert Reilly
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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MISCELLANEOUS
A motion was made by Steve Prothero to include the minutes of previous Design Review Board projects
in each board members packet.
SECOND: Rick Cavecche
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED