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1998-03-18 Final DRC MinutesCity of Orange Design Review Board MINUTES for Wednesday, March 18, 1998 Board Members Present: Rick Cavecche Tim McCormack Steven McHarris* Steve Prothero (Chair) Robert Reilly (*Left at approximately 8:35 p.m.) Board Member Absent Staff in Attendance: None Chuck Lau, Associate Planner Howard Morris, Landscape Coordinator Administrative Session - 4: 30 P.M. The board met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 P.M. The meeting adjourned at approximately 9:45 p.m. Regular Session - S: 30 P.M. A motion was made by Steve Prothero to approve the March 4, 1998 minutes as submitted. SECOND: Rick Cavecche AYES: Rick Cavecche, Steve Prothero NOES: None ABSENT: Robert Reilly, Steve McHarris ABSTAINED: Tim McCormack MOTION CARRIED (Note: Review of the February 4, 1998 minutes was deferred to the April 1, 1998 meeting) City of Orange -Design Review Board Meeting Minutes for March 18, 1998 Page 2 1) DRB No. 3319 City of Orange Old Towne Historic District Kimley-Horn & Associates, Inc. • Old Towne Lighting Master Plan • Old Towne Historic District The project was presented by Vern Jones, Planning Manager, who introduced the project consultants Jean Fares and Lin Takeuchi with Kimley-Horn & Associates, Inc. Dennis Schmitz with the City's Traffic Engineering Division was also present at the meeting. The City's goal is to adopt a theme lighting concept for the Old Towne Historic District. One of the main objective is to replace the existing acorn street light fixtures with similar units that offer more lighting. An actual sample of the replacement fixture was presented to the DRB. The sample unit is made of acrylic with clear luminaire. The proposed plan also included some accessory pedestrian fixtures such as benches, trash receptacles, bike racks, planters, and an information kiosk. The proposed theme lighting concept is scheduled for City Council review on April 28, 1998. The DRB is being asked to make recommendations to the City Council. The DRB expressed the following concerns: • Orange's Old Towne architectural prominence is the 1920's and 1930's. The period consists of some rather simple but elegant detail designs. Some of the new fixtures seemed overly decorative and too ornate for the period in which it is intended for. • The new replacement acorn luminaire should be frosted instead of clear, and be a closer replication of the existing fixture. • Light source type and quality should be studied prior to determination. Of noted importance; will incandescent which is existing in residential areas be matched, or will a whiter light such as incandescent or metal halide be used instead of high pressure sodium? • The height, location, illumination, and number of new light fixtures -How will it work with the existing street trees? • High levels of light pollution in residential areas. • Wood benches are aesthetically pleasing, however, there maybe maintenance problems. • The new bike racks will have the bikes in a perpendicular direction to the sidewalk. Will this impede pedestrian traffic? • Terra Cotta Planters -irrigation and drainage needs to be addressed. Mary Anne Skorpanich, representing the Old Towne Preservation Association, commented that they would prefer to keep and refurbish the existing acorn fixtures if possible. If the fixtures are to be replaced, then the new ones need to match as close as possible. They agree with the DRB that the new fixtures are overly decorative and too ornate for Old Towne Orange. Simplicity and elegance is preferred. MOTION by Steve Prothero to recommend approval of Phase I of this project, with the following comments, noting that additional work would have to be done (Phase II) in order to identify light location and integration with landscaping: I. The decorative emblem (shown on pages 24 & 25 of the project report) should not be "colored" when used in conjunction with the light fixtures and typical pedestrian fixtures. 2. Expand the lighting concept plan boundaries to include areas that are on the National Register District. City of Orange -Design Review Board Meeting Minutes for March 18, 1998 Page 3 3. Provide a "Demonstration Project" location on the street of the actual light fixtures with frost, without frost, luminares, and poles, for public comments. 4. Some of the light fixtures, especially fixture `D', seem overly decorative and too ornate. The new fixture should match the existing ones as closely as possible (in profile shape and frosted). Some additional research may be needed. 5. Kiosk is approved in concept 6. Recommend bike rack to be a design that would place the bikes in a parallel direction to the public sidewalk. This would allow for better pedestrian access. 7. Provide receptacles for horizontal banner arms on all light fixtures. 8. The color of the light poles (black vs. concrete) needs further study. 9. Recommend metal benches in lieu of wood for better maintenance. 10. Recommend square Terra Cotta planter in lieu of round planters. 11. The design of plaque wall shall be submitted back to DRB for review. SECOND: Rick Cavecche AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Board Meeting Minutes for March 18, 1998 Page 4 (2) DRB No. 3249 Ron Jon • City Mills Shopping Center Complex Design Forum Architects New retail tenant at the City Mills Shopping Center. C-2 (General Business District) The project was presented by Debra Warner -Mills Corporation, and Declan McCormack with Design Forum Architects. The design has been further developed and refined as this is a rather unique project. Various different construction methods and materials have been explored to determine its effectiveness. Actual material and color samples were presented to the board for comments. The board felt comfortable with the project's design progress, however, more study is still need to determine how the concept can be fully realized in a 3-dimensional form. MOTION by Rick Cavecche to approve the project's design concept, subject to the following conditions: 1. Prior to issuance of building permits, submit final plans to DRB for approval. 2. Additional information is needed: • Provide building section plans to illustrate the transition from one building elevation to the next. • Provide detail of how the surfer figures are to be created (2 or 3 dimension?). • Provide detail of how the glass wall with cascading water is to be integrated with signage. 3. Submit final landscape plans to DRB for approval. 4. Submit sign program to DRB for approval. SECOND: Robert Reilly AYES: Rick Cavecche, Steve McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: Tim McCormack MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Board Meeting Minutes for March 18, 1998 Page S ~2) DRB No. 3299 Spirit & Truth Worship Center 4700 E. Walnut Avenue Joseph Columbo Addition of new church facility R-1 (Residential -Single Family District) The project was presented by Joseph Columbo -Project Architect, and Tom Copple with the Spirit & Truth Worship Center. The proposal is to construct a new church facility consisting of a sanctuary, multi-purpose room, classrooms, and administrative offices. The project has been scheduled for Planning Commission review on April 20, 1998. The board expressed concerns with the building being poorly designed with little regard to the adjoining residential neighbors. The building has very little architectural trim and detail, which contributes to its lack of visual relieve. More articulation is needed to create more movement and interest for such a massive building. Also of concern is the minimal 5 ft. building setback along the east property line. Setting the building back further (10 ft) would provide a landscape area to plant trees to help screen the building from the adjoining residential properties. The parking lot area also needs additional landscaping to help create more of a residential feel to the project. MOTION by Steve Prothero to continue review of this project to the April 1, 1998 meeting with the following comments: 1. Provide landscaping along south and east property lines to help buffer the adjoining residential properties. 2. Suggest shifting the building approximately 4 ft. to the west to create additional landscape area between the building and the east property line. 3. Building needs more articulation to create shade and shadow, and to create more interest. 4. Submit building fmish material sample and color palette to DRB. 5. Submit conceptual landscape plans to DRB. 6. Submit lighting concept plans to coordinate with landscape plans to DRB. SECOND: Rick Cavecche AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Board Meeting Minutes for March 18, 1998 Page 6 (4) DRB No. 3300 Ford of Orange S. E. Corner Main Street & Katella Ave. Dennis Flynn Architects • New automotive dealership facility • C-R (Commercial-Recreational District) The project was presented by Dennis Flynn -Architect. The proposal is to develop a new Ford automotive dealership with showroom, sale offices, and service and repair facilities. The DRB expressed concerns with the storage of vehicles on the roof top. If this is not intended for product display, then this area needs to be properly screened from public view. Also, how will lighting be handled in this area? MOTION by Steve McHarris to continue review of this project to the April 1, 1998 meeting with the following comments: 1. Roof top storage of vehicles shall be screened from public view. Provide sight line study to determine proper parapet height for roof top vehicular storage screening. 2. Suggest replacing Queen Palms with Date Palms (Phoenix dactylifera). Increasing brown trunk height so that it does not interfere with building signage. 3. Provide solid perimeter screen wall at employee and service parking area. 4. Provide plaster finish along the south and east elevations of the parts and service the plaster finish of the main showroom building. 5. Provide street trees per City standards. 6. Provide concept lighting plan. building to match SECOND: Rick Cavecche AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve McHarris, Robert Reilly NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: Steve Prothero MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Board Meeting Minutes for March 18, 1998 Page 7 (5) DRB No. 3304 Arco Products Company 100 N. Tustin Street Tait & Associates, Inc. • Fuel pump island canopy remodeling for an existing automotive service station • C-1 (Limited Business District) The revised plans were presented by Bob Dippell, which showed detail drawings of the fascia band return at the gable roof end. Also included was a letter of intent from Arco Products Company for the remodel scheduling of the entire site, including the building(s) and signage. MOTION by Steve Prothero to approve the project, subject to the following conditions: 1. Length of fascia band return to terminate at top of the gable. SECOND: Robert Reilly AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Board Meeting Minutes for March 18, 1998 Page 8 (6) DRB No. 3306 Arco Products Company Fuel pump island canopy remodeling for an 1935 E. Katella Avenue existing automotive service station Tait & Associates, Inc. . C-TR (Commercial -Tustin Street Redevelopment District) The revised plans were presented by Bob Dippell, which showed detail drawings of the fascia band return at the gable roof end. Also included was a letter of intent from Arco Products Company for the remodel scheduling of the entire site, including the building(s) and signage. MOTION by Steve Prothero to approve the project, subject to the following conditions: 1. Length of fascia band return to terminate at top of the gable. SECOND: Robert Reilly AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Board Meeting Minutes for March 18, 1998 Page 9 (7) DRB No. 3308 Arco Products Company 480 N. Glassell Street Tait & Associates, Inc. • Fuel pump island canopy remodeling for an existing automotive service station • C-1 (Limited Business District), Old Towne The revised plans were presented by Bob Dippell, which showed detail drawings of the fascia band return at the gable roof end. Also included was a letter of intent from Arco Products Company for the remodel scheduling of the entire site, including the building(s) and signage. MOTION by Steve Prothero to approve the project, subject to the following conditions: 1. Length of fascia band return to terminate at top of the gable. SECOND: Robert Reilly AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Board Meeting Minutes for March 18, 1998 Page 10 (8) DRB No. 3309 Arco Products Company 2493 N. Tustin Street Tait & Associates, Inc. • Fuel pump island canopy remodeling for an existing automotive service station • C-TR (Commercial -Tustin Street Redevelopment District) The revised plans were presented by Bob Dippell, which showed detail drawings of the fascia band return at the gable roof end. Also included was a letter of intent from Arco Products Company for the remodel scheduling of the entire site, including the building(s) and signage. MOTION by Steve Prothero to approve the project, subject to the following conditions: 1. Length of fascia band return to terminate at top of the gable. SECOND: Robert Reilly AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Board Meeting Minutes for March 18, 1998 Page 11 (9) DRB No. 3310 Arco Products Company 825 W. Katella Avenue Tait & Associates, Inc. Fuel pump island canopy remodeling for an existing automotive service station C-P (Commercial-Professional Distri The revised plans were presented by Bob Dippell, which showed detail drawings of the fascia band return at the gable roof end. Also included was a letter of intent from Arco Products Company for the remodel scheduling of the entire site, including the building(s) and signage. MOTION by Steve Prothero to approve the project, subject to the following conditions: 1. Length of fascia band return to terminate at top of the gable. SECOND: Robert Reilly AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: None] MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Board Meeting Minutes for March 18, 1998 Page 12 (10) DRB No. 3314 Childbridge Preschools, Inc. New preschool facility in un-incorporated SEC Villa Park Road & Hewes Street County area. Dennis Muth Proposed R-3 (Residential -Multiple Familv District) The project was presented by Dennis Muth, the project Architect, and the owner, Martha Malane. The proposal is to develop a commercial daycare facility on an 1.6 acre parcel that is currently vacant, located in an un-incorporated County area. The project has been scheduled for Planning Commission Hearing on May 18, 1998. The DRB commended the architect for an overall good design concept, and felt that the project was generally well thought out. MOTION by Tim McCormack to continue review of this project to the April 1, 1998 meeting with the following comments: 1. Building elevations are approved as submitted. Suggest incorporating glass blocks into cityscape silhouette along the building elevations to create more interest and to add natural light. 2. All roof top mounted mechanical equipment to be properly screened from public view. 3. Provide survey plan to show grade/slope conditions on site. 4. Submit conceptual landscape plan to DRB. 5. Submit building finish material sample and color palette to DRB. SECOND: Robert Reilly AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly NOES: None ABSENT: Steve McHarris ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Board Meeting Minutes for March 18, 1998 Page 13 (11) DRB No. 3316 West Chapman Business Center 2050,2140 & 2230 W. Chapman Ave Zee Sign Systems, Inc. • New sign program for an existing office complex • O-P (Office-Professional District) The project was presented by Mike Zee with Zee sign Systems, Inc. The proposal is to adopt a new sign program for an existing office complex that was remodeled recently. The tenant wall signs are non-illuminated. MOTION by Robert Reilly to approved the project as submitted. SECOND: Tim McCormack AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly NOES: None ABSENT: Steve McHarris ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Board Meeting Minutes for March 18, 1998 Page 14 12) DRB No. 3317 Covenant Community Church 221 N. Waverly J. M. Stewart Corporation New freestanding sign for an existing church facility R-1-6 (Residential -Single Family District The project was presented by Don Sutton with Covenant Community Church. The proposal is to replace the existing non-illuminated freestanding sign with a new internally illuminated sign with a changeable copy reader board. The DRB expressed concerns with the size of new sign, which appears to exceed the maximum 24 sq.ft. required by code (drawings not dimensioned). The new sign also looked like a large commercial sign which lacked residential character, and does not relate to any of the existing historic church buildings on site. The sign lack some type of monument base, and other details and features to match the existing architecture of the church facility. The issue of providing an opaque background was also discussed. The proposed sign at its present form would not result in a favorable action. MOTION by Robert Reilly to continue the project for the applicant to resolve the issue of code compliance, and to revise the plans to address the DRB's concern as noted above. SECOND: Rick Cavecche AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly NOES: None ABSENT: Steve McHarris ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Board Meeting Minutes for March 18, 1998 Page 15 (13) DRB No. 3318 Michael Waldron Replacement windows and miscellaneous 205 S. Orange Street improvements for an existing residence Drew Hoffman • C-2 (General Business District), Old Towne The project was presented by the property owner Mike Waldron. The proposal is to replace the existing wood double hung windows which are deteriorated, with new vinyl frame casement windows. This product was carefully chosen with consideration to its aesthetic design as well as its function and ease of maintenance. Also proposed are new replacement wood window screens which are custom fabricated on site to closely replicate the original. The DRB stated that they are appreciative of the effort that the applicant has put forth into the project, especially the custom made wood window screens which are nicely done. However, the new windows do not have the same lower sash profile as the existing ones, and the vinyl material is not in keeping with Old Towne. The new windows also lacked the small korbel detail that is found on the existing rear window of the house. The DRB stated that the proposal in its present form would not result in a positive action. The DRB asked the applicant to consider alternative replacement wood windows that would better match the existing, and that are more in keeping with Old Towne. The DRB gave the applicant the option of continuing the project for a revised proposal, or accepting a final action. The applicant requested the DRB to take final action on the proposed project. MOTION by Rick Cavecche to deny the proposed replacement vinyl frame casement windows, based upon the following findings: 1. That the proposed replacement windows do not match the existing windows, primarily the profile in relationship to the thickness height of the bottom sash. The new windows also lacked the small korbel detail that are found on the existing rear window of the house. 2. That the proposed replacement windows are made of a vinyl material that is not in keeping with the historic nature of the existing residence. SECOND: Tim McCormack AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero NOES: None ABSENT: Steve McHarris ABSTAINED: Robert Reilly MOTION CARRIED