1998-03-18 Final DRC MinutesCity of Orange
Design Review Board
MINUTES
for Wednesday, March 18, 1998
Board Members Present:
Rick Cavecche
Tim McCormack
Steven McHarris*
Steve Prothero (Chair)
Robert Reilly
(*Left at approximately 8:35 p.m.)
Board Member Absent
Staff in Attendance:
None
Chuck Lau, Associate Planner
Howard Morris, Landscape Coordinator
Administrative Session - 4: 30 P.M.
The board met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 P.M. The meeting adjourned at
approximately 9:45 p.m.
Regular Session - S: 30 P.M.
A motion was made by Steve Prothero to approve the March 4, 1998 minutes as submitted.
SECOND: Rick Cavecche
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Steve Prothero
NOES: None
ABSENT: Robert Reilly, Steve McHarris
ABSTAINED: Tim McCormack
MOTION CARRIED
(Note: Review of the February 4, 1998 minutes was deferred to the April 1, 1998 meeting)
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1) DRB No. 3319
City of Orange
Old Towne Historic District
Kimley-Horn & Associates, Inc.
• Old Towne Lighting Master Plan
• Old Towne Historic District
The project was presented by Vern Jones, Planning Manager, who introduced the project consultants
Jean Fares and Lin Takeuchi with Kimley-Horn & Associates, Inc. Dennis Schmitz with the City's
Traffic Engineering Division was also present at the meeting. The City's goal is to adopt a theme
lighting concept for the Old Towne Historic District. One of the main objective is to replace the existing
acorn street light fixtures with similar units that offer more lighting. An actual sample of the
replacement fixture was presented to the DRB. The sample unit is made of acrylic with clear luminaire.
The proposed plan also included some accessory pedestrian fixtures such as benches, trash receptacles,
bike racks, planters, and an information kiosk. The proposed theme lighting concept is scheduled for City
Council review on April 28, 1998. The DRB is being asked to make recommendations to the City
Council.
The DRB expressed the following concerns:
• Orange's Old Towne architectural prominence is the 1920's and 1930's. The period consists of
some rather simple but elegant detail designs. Some of the new fixtures seemed overly decorative
and too ornate for the period in which it is intended for.
• The new replacement acorn luminaire should be frosted instead of clear, and be a closer replication
of the existing fixture.
• Light source type and quality should be studied prior to determination. Of noted importance; will
incandescent which is existing in residential areas be matched, or will a whiter light such as
incandescent or metal halide be used instead of high pressure sodium?
• The height, location, illumination, and number of new light fixtures -How will it work with the
existing street trees?
• High levels of light pollution in residential areas.
• Wood benches are aesthetically pleasing, however, there maybe maintenance problems.
• The new bike racks will have the bikes in a perpendicular direction to the sidewalk. Will this impede
pedestrian traffic?
• Terra Cotta Planters -irrigation and drainage needs to be addressed.
Mary Anne Skorpanich, representing the Old Towne Preservation Association, commented that they
would prefer to keep and refurbish the existing acorn fixtures if possible. If the fixtures are to be
replaced, then the new ones need to match as close as possible. They agree with the DRB that the new
fixtures are overly decorative and too ornate for Old Towne Orange. Simplicity and elegance is
preferred.
MOTION by Steve Prothero to recommend approval of Phase I of this project, with the following
comments, noting that additional work would have to be done (Phase II) in order to identify light
location and integration with landscaping:
I. The decorative emblem (shown on pages 24 & 25 of the project report) should not be "colored"
when used in conjunction with the light fixtures and typical pedestrian fixtures.
2. Expand the lighting concept plan boundaries to include areas that are on the National Register
District.
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3. Provide a "Demonstration Project" location on the street of the actual light fixtures with frost,
without frost, luminares, and poles, for public comments.
4. Some of the light fixtures, especially fixture `D', seem overly decorative and too ornate. The new
fixture should match the existing ones as closely as possible (in profile shape and frosted). Some
additional research may be needed.
5. Kiosk is approved in concept
6. Recommend bike rack to be a design that would place the bikes in a parallel direction to the public
sidewalk. This would allow for better pedestrian access.
7. Provide receptacles for horizontal banner arms on all light fixtures.
8. The color of the light poles (black vs. concrete) needs further study.
9. Recommend metal benches in lieu of wood for better maintenance.
10. Recommend square Terra Cotta planter in lieu of round planters.
11. The design of plaque wall shall be submitted back to DRB for review.
SECOND: Rick Cavecche
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(2) DRB No. 3249
Ron Jon •
City Mills Shopping Center Complex
Design Forum Architects
New retail tenant at the City Mills Shopping
Center.
C-2 (General Business District)
The project was presented by Debra Warner -Mills Corporation, and Declan McCormack with Design
Forum Architects. The design has been further developed and refined as this is a rather unique project.
Various different construction methods and materials have been explored to determine its effectiveness.
Actual material and color samples were presented to the board for comments.
The board felt comfortable with the project's design progress, however, more study is still need to
determine how the concept can be fully realized in a 3-dimensional form.
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to approve the project's design concept, subject to the following conditions:
1. Prior to issuance of building permits, submit final plans to DRB for approval.
2. Additional information is needed:
• Provide building section plans to illustrate the transition from one building elevation to
the next.
• Provide detail of how the surfer figures are to be created (2 or 3 dimension?).
• Provide detail of how the glass wall with cascading water is to be integrated with
signage.
3. Submit final landscape plans to DRB for approval.
4. Submit sign program to DRB for approval.
SECOND: Robert Reilly
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Steve McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: Tim McCormack
MOTION CARRIED
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~2) DRB No. 3299
Spirit & Truth Worship Center
4700 E. Walnut Avenue
Joseph Columbo
Addition of new church facility
R-1 (Residential -Single Family District)
The project was presented by Joseph Columbo -Project Architect, and Tom Copple with the Spirit &
Truth Worship Center. The proposal is to construct a new church facility consisting of a sanctuary,
multi-purpose room, classrooms, and administrative offices. The project has been scheduled for
Planning Commission review on April 20, 1998.
The board expressed concerns with the building being poorly designed with little regard to the adjoining
residential neighbors. The building has very little architectural trim and detail, which contributes to its
lack of visual relieve. More articulation is needed to create more movement and interest for such a
massive building. Also of concern is the minimal 5 ft. building setback along the east property line.
Setting the building back further (10 ft) would provide a landscape area to plant trees to help screen the
building from the adjoining residential properties. The parking lot area also needs additional landscaping
to help create more of a residential feel to the project.
MOTION by Steve Prothero to continue review of this project to the April 1, 1998 meeting with the
following comments:
1. Provide landscaping along south and east property lines to help buffer the adjoining residential
properties.
2. Suggest shifting the building approximately 4 ft. to the west to create additional landscape area
between the building and the east property line.
3. Building needs more articulation to create shade and shadow, and to create more interest.
4. Submit building fmish material sample and color palette to DRB.
5. Submit conceptual landscape plans to DRB.
6. Submit lighting concept plans to coordinate with landscape plans to DRB.
SECOND: Rick Cavecche
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(4) DRB No. 3300
Ford of Orange
S. E. Corner Main Street & Katella Ave.
Dennis Flynn Architects
• New automotive dealership facility
• C-R (Commercial-Recreational District)
The project was presented by Dennis Flynn -Architect. The proposal is to develop a new Ford
automotive dealership with showroom, sale offices, and service and repair facilities.
The DRB expressed concerns with the storage of vehicles on the roof top. If this is not intended
for product display, then this area needs to be properly screened from public view. Also, how
will lighting be handled in this area?
MOTION by Steve McHarris to continue review of this project to the April 1, 1998 meeting with the
following comments:
1. Roof top storage of vehicles shall be screened from public view. Provide sight line study to
determine proper parapet height for roof top vehicular storage screening.
2. Suggest replacing Queen Palms with Date Palms (Phoenix dactylifera). Increasing brown trunk
height so that it does not interfere with building signage.
3. Provide solid perimeter screen wall at employee and service parking area.
4. Provide plaster finish along the south and east elevations of the parts and service
the plaster finish of the main showroom building.
5. Provide street trees per City standards.
6. Provide concept lighting plan.
building to match
SECOND: Rick Cavecche
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve McHarris, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: Steve Prothero
MOTION CARRIED
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(5) DRB No. 3304
Arco Products Company
100 N. Tustin Street
Tait & Associates, Inc.
• Fuel pump island canopy remodeling for an
existing automotive service station
• C-1 (Limited Business District)
The revised plans were presented by Bob Dippell, which showed detail drawings of the fascia band
return at the gable roof end. Also included was a letter of intent from Arco Products Company for the
remodel scheduling of the entire site, including the building(s) and signage.
MOTION by Steve Prothero to approve the project, subject to the following conditions:
1. Length of fascia band return to terminate at top of the gable.
SECOND: Robert Reilly
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(6) DRB No. 3306
Arco Products Company Fuel pump island canopy remodeling for an
1935 E. Katella Avenue existing automotive service station
Tait & Associates, Inc. . C-TR (Commercial -Tustin Street
Redevelopment District)
The revised plans were presented by Bob Dippell, which showed detail drawings of the fascia band
return at the gable roof end. Also included was a letter of intent from Arco Products Company for the
remodel scheduling of the entire site, including the building(s) and signage.
MOTION by Steve Prothero to approve the project, subject to the following conditions:
1. Length of fascia band return to terminate at top of the gable.
SECOND: Robert Reilly
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(7) DRB No. 3308
Arco Products Company
480 N. Glassell Street
Tait & Associates, Inc.
• Fuel pump island canopy remodeling for an
existing automotive service station
• C-1 (Limited Business District), Old Towne
The revised plans were presented by Bob Dippell, which showed detail drawings of the fascia band
return at the gable roof end. Also included was a letter of intent from Arco Products Company for the
remodel scheduling of the entire site, including the building(s) and signage.
MOTION by Steve Prothero to approve the project, subject to the following conditions:
1. Length of fascia band return to terminate at top of the gable.
SECOND: Robert Reilly
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(8) DRB No. 3309
Arco Products Company
2493 N. Tustin Street
Tait & Associates, Inc.
• Fuel pump island canopy remodeling for an
existing automotive service station
• C-TR (Commercial -Tustin Street
Redevelopment District)
The revised plans were presented by Bob Dippell, which showed detail drawings of the fascia band
return at the gable roof end. Also included was a letter of intent from Arco Products Company for the
remodel scheduling of the entire site, including the building(s) and signage.
MOTION by Steve Prothero to approve the project, subject to the following conditions:
1. Length of fascia band return to terminate at top of the gable.
SECOND: Robert Reilly
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(9) DRB No. 3310
Arco Products Company
825 W. Katella Avenue
Tait & Associates, Inc.
Fuel pump island canopy remodeling for an
existing automotive service station
C-P (Commercial-Professional Distri
The revised plans were presented by Bob Dippell, which showed detail drawings of the fascia band
return at the gable roof end. Also included was a letter of intent from Arco Products Company for the
remodel scheduling of the entire site, including the building(s) and signage.
MOTION by Steve Prothero to approve the project, subject to the following conditions:
1. Length of fascia band return to terminate at top of the gable.
SECOND: Robert Reilly
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None]
MOTION CARRIED
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(10) DRB No. 3314
Childbridge Preschools, Inc. New preschool facility in un-incorporated
SEC Villa Park Road & Hewes Street County area.
Dennis Muth Proposed R-3 (Residential -Multiple
Familv District)
The project was presented by Dennis Muth, the project Architect, and the owner, Martha Malane.
The proposal is to develop a commercial daycare facility on an 1.6 acre parcel that is currently
vacant, located in an un-incorporated County area. The project has been scheduled for Planning
Commission Hearing on May 18, 1998.
The DRB commended the architect for an overall good design concept, and felt that the project
was generally well thought out.
MOTION by Tim McCormack to continue review of this project to the April 1, 1998 meeting with the
following comments:
1. Building elevations are approved as submitted. Suggest incorporating glass blocks into cityscape
silhouette along the building elevations to create more interest and to add natural light.
2. All roof top mounted mechanical equipment to be properly screened from public view.
3. Provide survey plan to show grade/slope conditions on site.
4. Submit conceptual landscape plan to DRB.
5. Submit building finish material sample and color palette to DRB.
SECOND: Robert Reilly
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Steve McHarris
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(11) DRB No. 3316
West Chapman Business Center
2050,2140 & 2230 W. Chapman Ave
Zee Sign Systems, Inc.
• New sign program for an existing office
complex
• O-P (Office-Professional District)
The project was presented by Mike Zee with Zee sign Systems, Inc. The proposal is to adopt a
new sign program for an existing office complex that was remodeled recently. The tenant wall
signs are non-illuminated.
MOTION by Robert Reilly to approved the project as submitted.
SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Steve McHarris
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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12) DRB No. 3317
Covenant Community Church
221 N. Waverly
J. M. Stewart Corporation
New freestanding sign for an existing
church facility
R-1-6 (Residential -Single Family District
The project was presented by Don Sutton with Covenant Community Church. The proposal is to
replace the existing non-illuminated freestanding sign with a new internally illuminated sign
with a changeable copy reader board.
The DRB expressed concerns with the size of new sign, which appears to exceed the maximum
24 sq.ft. required by code (drawings not dimensioned). The new sign also looked like a large
commercial sign which lacked residential character, and does not relate to any of the existing
historic church buildings on site. The sign lack some type of monument base, and other details
and features to match the existing architecture of the church facility. The issue of providing an
opaque background was also discussed. The proposed sign at its present form would not result
in a favorable action.
MOTION by Robert Reilly to continue the project for the applicant to resolve the issue of code
compliance, and to revise the plans to address the DRB's concern as noted above.
SECOND: Rick Cavecche
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Steve McHarris
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(13) DRB No. 3318
Michael Waldron Replacement windows and miscellaneous
205 S. Orange Street improvements for an existing residence
Drew Hoffman • C-2 (General Business District), Old Towne
The project was presented by the property owner Mike Waldron. The proposal is to replace the
existing wood double hung windows which are deteriorated, with new vinyl frame casement
windows. This product was carefully chosen with consideration to its aesthetic design as well as
its function and ease of maintenance. Also proposed are new replacement wood window screens
which are custom fabricated on site to closely replicate the original.
The DRB stated that they are appreciative of the effort that the applicant has put forth into the
project, especially the custom made wood window screens which are nicely done. However, the
new windows do not have the same lower sash profile as the existing ones, and the vinyl material
is not in keeping with Old Towne. The new windows also lacked the small korbel detail that is
found on the existing rear window of the house.
The DRB stated that the proposal in its present form would not result in a positive action. The
DRB asked the applicant to consider alternative replacement wood windows that would better
match the existing, and that are more in keeping with Old Towne. The DRB gave the applicant
the option of continuing the project for a revised proposal, or accepting a final action.
The applicant requested the DRB to take final action on the proposed project.
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to deny the proposed replacement vinyl frame casement windows,
based upon the following findings:
1. That the proposed replacement windows do not match the existing windows, primarily the
profile in relationship to the thickness height of the bottom sash. The new windows also
lacked the small korbel detail that are found on the existing rear window of the house.
2. That the proposed replacement windows are made of a vinyl material that is not in keeping
with the historic nature of the existing residence.
SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero
NOES: None
ABSENT: Steve McHarris
ABSTAINED: Robert Reilly
MOTION CARRIED