1998-02-18 Final DRC MinutesCity of Orange
Design Review Board
MINUTES
for Wednesday, February 18, 1998
Board Members Present:
Tim McCormack*
Steven McHarris
Steve Prothero (Chair)
Robert Reilly
(*Arrived at approximately 6:30 p.m.)
Board Member Absent: Rick Cavecche
Staff in Attendance: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner
Howard Morris, Landscape Coordinator
Administrative Session - 4: 30 P.M.
The board met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 P.M. The meeting adjourned at
approximately 8:00 p.m.
Regular Session - S: 30 P.M.
Steve Prothero opened the meeting. A motion was made by Steve Prothero to defer the review
and approval of the December 17, 1997, January 21, 1998, February 4, 1998 minutes to the
March 4, 1998 meeting.
SECOND: Robert Reilly
AYES: Steve McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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11 DRB No. 3231
Chapman University
SEC Lemon Street & Sycamore Avenue
Cathcart/Begin Associates, Inc.
• Review of landscaping plans for the new 5-
level parking structure
• P-I (SP) District; Public Institution,
Chapman University Specific Plan, Old
Towne.
Applicant not present.
(Note: This item was postponed until the end of the meeting.)
MOTION by Robert Reilly to continue review of this item to the next meeting.
SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Steve McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly, Tim McCormack
NOES: None
ABSENT: Rick Cavecche
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(2) DRB No. 3249
Borders
City Mills Shopping Center Complex
Perkowitz & Ruth Architects, Inc.
• New retail tenant at the City Mills Shopping
Center.
• C-2 (General Business District)
The project was presented by Debra Warner -Mills Corporation, and John Ward -Communication Arts.
Boarders Books is a major tenant that occupies suite "A-1" of the City Mills Complex.
MOTION by Steve Prothero to approve the building elevation plans, subject to the following conditions:
1. Continue the diagonal scoring panels the entire length of the east building elevation. (Including the
four blank panels)
2. Clarify location of truck well and service/delivery doors..
3. Extend the length of the CMU wall at the truck well to provide screening of the service entry area.
4. Clarify the exterior fmish of CMU wall.
5. Submit final landscape plans to DRB for approval.
6. Submit sign program to DRB for approval.
SECOND: Robert Reilly
AYES: Steve McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(3) DRB No. 3249
Dave & Busters
City Mills Shopping Center Complex
Perkowitz & Ruth Architects, Inc.
• New retail tenant at the City Mills Shopping
Center.
• C-2 (General Business District)
The project was presented by Debra Warner -Mills Corporation, and John Ward -
Communication Arts. Dave & Busters occupies suite "F-1" of the City Mills complex.
MOTION by Steve Prothero to approve the building elevation plans, subject to the following conditions:
1. The thematic banners shall contain graphics only, and not to be used for advertising purposes.
2. Recommendation that the thematic banners should be of a substantially different design and material
than the ones that are being used for the AMC Theater.
3. Submit fmal landscape plans to DRB for approval.
4. Submit sign program to DRB for approval.
SECOND: Robert Reilly
AYES: Steve McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(4) DRB No. 3249
OFFSTH
City Mills Shopping Center Complex
Affinity Corporation Architects
• New retail tenant at the City Mills Shopping
Center.
• C-2 (General Business District)
The project was presented by Debra Warner - Mills Corporation, and John Ward -
Communication Arts. OFF5TH occupies suite `B-2" of the City Mills complex.
Steve Prothero stated that although he is not opposed to the use of "OFF5TH" for graphic
purposes, he is uncomfortable with the literal use of an oversized sign as a design element.
MOTION by Robert Reilly to approve the building elevation plans, subject to the following
conditions:
1. The concept of incorporating "OFF5TH" as an integral graphic element along the south
building elevation is an acceptable design approach, with the understanding that there are
still various sign code compliance issues pending City Council approval. If the code
compliance issue cannot be resolved, then a revised plan with alternative solutions must be
submitted to the DRB for review and approval. (Note: the preferred graphic element
consists of the lower portion of the letter "O" being partially sunk into the ground).
2. Color palette is approved as submitted.
3. Submit finallandscape plans to DRB for approval.
4. Submit sign program to DRB for approval.
SECOND: Steve McHarris
AYES: Steve McHarris, Robert Reilly
NOES: Steve Prothero
ABSENT: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(5) DRB No. 3249
Ron Jon
City Mills Shopping Center Complex
Design Forum Architects
• New retail tenant at the City Mills Shopping
Center.
• C-2 (General Business District)
The project was presented by Debra Warner - Mills Corporation, and John Ward -
Communication Arts. Ron Jons occupies suite "C-1" of the City Mills complex. This is a
review of the design concept only.
MOTION by Steve Prothero to approve the project's design concept, subject to the following
conditions:
1. The surfboard at the building corner to be scaled down to approximately 40 ft. overall height.
2. Prior to issuance of building permits, submit final plans to DRB for approval.
3. More design consideration should be given to the corners of the building to provide a better
transition from one building elevation to the next. This is to help break down the box-like
appearance of the building.
4. Submit final landscape plans to DRB for approval.
5. Submit sign program to DRB for approval.
SECOND: Robert Reilly
AYES: Steve McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(6) DRB No. 3290
Bank of America
178 S. Glassell Street
L. A. Architects
Location of 2 new drive-up ATM kiosks
C-2 (General Business District), Old
Towne
Applicant not present.
MOTION by Robert Reilly to continue this item.
SECOND: Steve McHarris
AYES: Steve McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(7) DRB No. 3294
Rubio's Baja Grill
2318 "B" N. Tustin Street
TNT Neon Sign Co.
• New wall sign for new restaurant at the
Orange Mall Complex
• C-TR (Commercial -Tustin Street
Redevelopment District)
The project was presented by Bill Henningsman with TNT Neon Sign Company. The proposal is
to install 3 sets of wall signs along the south, east and west building elevations of the new
Rubio's restaurant.
MOTION by Robert Reilly to approve the project subject as submitted:
SECOND: Steve McHarris
AYES: Steve McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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8) DRB No. 3295
John & Kay Everley
6905 Hidden Oaks Lane
John F. McNeeley Planning & Design
• New custom single family residence
• R-1-20 (Residential -Single Family District,
20,000 sq.ft. minimum lot size)
(This item was approved on the Consent Calendar)
MOTION by Robert Reilly to approve the project with the following condition:
1. Submit fuel modification plans to City of Orange Fire Department and Community Services
Department for approval.
SECOND: Steve McHarris
AYES: Steve McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(9) DRB No. 3296
Light Bulbs, Etc.
401 N. Tustin Street
Architectural Design/Sign
• Modification of existing freestanding sign
and replacement of 2 wall signs for a
tenant within a retail center
• C-1 (Limited Business District)
The project was presented by Colin Becker, owner of the business, and Kevin Farrell with
Architectural Design/Sign. The proposal is to install 2 new signs on the building for a new retail
tenant (Light Bulbs, Etc.). The new signs are not in conformance with the approved sign
program for the shopping center. The proposal also includes replacing the sign face panels on
the existing freestanding sign. The proposed changes are needed because the existing sign
program does not provide for adequate sign visibility.
The DRB expressed concerns with the proposed sign on the north building elevation appearing
like a roof sign. The sign disrupts the architecture of the building, and looks like an add-on. The
DRB also stated their policy regarding opaque sign backgrounds.
MOTION by Steve McHarris to approve the project subject to the following conditions:
1. Roof signs not allowed by code.
2. The wall sign along the west elevation is approved with an opaque background, and is to be
installed on the building wall setback from the roof eave. The sign is also approved with a
2" channeled halo glow around the light bulb graphic logo.
3. The wall sign along the north elevation is approved with an opaque background, and is to be
installed underneath the roof eave shifted towards the street no further than the first post.
The sign is also approved with a 2" channeled halo glow around the light bulb logo.
4. The sign face change for the freestanding sign is approved with an opaque background. The
light bulb logo extending above the existing sign can is approved as an architectural feature.
The sign is also approved with an exposed neon power cord graphic.
SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Tim McCormack, Steve McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Rick Cavecche
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED