1998-01-21 Final DRC MinutesCity of Orange
Design Review Board
MINUTES
for Wednesday, January 21, 1998
Board Members Present
Tim McCormack*
Steven McHarris
Steve Prothero (Chair)
Robert Reilly
(*Arrived at approximately 8:00 p.m.)
Board Members Absent: Rick Cavecche
Staff in Attendance: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner
Howard Morris, Landscape Coordinator
Administrative Session - 4: 30 P.M.
The board met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 P.M. The meeting adjourned at
approximately 9:00 p.m.
Regular Session - 5: 30 P.M.
Steve Prothero opened the meeting. A motion was made by Steve Prothero to defer the review
and approval of the December 17, 1997 minutes to the February 4, 1998 meeting.
SECOND: Steve McHarris
AYES: Steve McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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A motion was made by Steve Prothero to approve the January 7, 1998 minutes with the
following revisions:
DRB #3275 (Ewing Properties), page 4, paragraph 2, sentence 6, amended as follows;
The use of Ficus ~ retusa along the south property line is strongly discouraged, as this is a rather
confined planting area that would not be appropriate for this type of tree because of evasive roots.
Pale 4, condition #3 amended as follows:
3. Landscape concept plan needs further study and refinement.
Page 4, condition #5 amended as follows:
5. Consider the alternative screen trees (in lieu of Palms) along the east driveway for consistent
screening and cost purposes.
Pale 4, condition #7 amended as follows:
7. Recommend addition of trees to help soften the interior of the courtyard areas.
Page 4, condition #9 amended as follows:
9. Treatment of parking area at the Main Street entry and drive needs further enhancement.
Page 4, condition #10 amended as follows:
10. Recommend that a tree survey be done to determine if existing trees can be saved and/or
relocated.
Paee 4, condition #13, amended as follows:
13. (Only 5 ft. of landscaped area is shown on plans)
DRB #3283 (Wells Faro BankZpaae 8, paragraph 2, sentence 5 added as follows:
The DRB also noted that the existing pine trees on the west side are in the public right-of--way, and are
not to be altered in any way as related to this project.
SECOND: Steve McHarris
AYES: Steve McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(1) DRB No. 3275
Ewing Properties
777 S. Main Street
Architects Orange
New mixed-use retail
project
C-3 (Commercial) District
and residential
Applicant not present.
Recommendation to Planning Commission
MOTION by Robert Reilly to continue review of this item to the next meeting.
SECOND: Steve Prothero
AYES: Steve McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(2) DRB No. 3249
Mills Corporation
Former City Shopping Center Complex
David Evans & Associates
• New regional outlet shopping center
complex
• C-2 (General Business) District
The project was presented by Debra Warner with the Mills Corporation. With this submittal, they are
seeking DRB approval in order to obtain building permits for building shell and foundation for 5 tenants
(A-1, B-2, C-1, C-3 & F-1). These tenant will submit separate elevation plans to the DRB for future
meeting dates. The company is also in the process of pricing out the feasibility of the proposed new
"sail" element, and should be finalized by as early as February 18, 1998.
MOTION by Robert Reilly to approve the proposed building shell/footprint, subject to the following
conditions:
Submit building elevation and landscaping plans specifically relating these tenants to the DRB on or
before February 18, 1998.
Provide a finalized account of the proposed location and quantity of the new "sail" elements for the
overall project site.
SECOND: Steve Prothero
AYES: Steve McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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3) DRB No. 3249
AMC Theatres
City Mills Shopping Center Complex
Salts, Troutman, Kaneshiro, Inc.
• New 30 screen theatre located within a
regional outlet shopping center complex
• C-2 (General Business) District
The project was presented by Debra Warner with the Mi11s Corporation, and Camille Acton,
Project Architect with Salts, Troutman, Kaneshiro, Inc. The proposed multiplex theatre is
located on the west side of the shopping center, consisting of 30 movie screens.
MOTION by Robert Reilly to approve the project subject to the following conditions:
1. Building elevations are approved as submitted. (Note: this approval includes the concept of
installing a total of eleven (ll) thematic banners on the building)
2. Submit landscaping plans to DRB for approval. (Note: The concept plans showed a total of 28
Washingtonian Palms with an approximate brown trunk height of 25 ft. to be planted around the
backside of the building). It is also recommended that shrub massing be added to the ground cover
to help break up the landscape pattern.
3. Submit signage plans to DRB for approval
SECOND: Steve McHarris
AYES: Steve McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(4) DRB No. 3281
Toyota of Orange
1400 N. Tustin Street
Dennis Flynn Architects
• Expansion of an existing auto dealership
• C-TR (Commercial -Tustin Street
Redevelopment) District
The project was presented by Erik Maroussen with Dennis Flynn Architects. The proposal is to
expand the car dealership by adding onto the existing shop and storage area, and the construction
of a new 3 level parking structure with roof top parking. A Conditional Use Permit and Variance
application has been filed and scheduled for public hearing before the Planning Commission on
February 18, 1998.
The DRB raised concerns with the placement of such a large structure in proximity to the
adjoining residential properties to the west.
MOTION by Steve Prothero to recommend to the Planning Commission the following:
1. That the Variance request be denied, and that the setback of the parking structure be brought
into compliance with code requirements.
2. Prior to issuance of building permits, submit final plans to DRB for approval to include
detailed building elevations, exterior finish materials and color palette for both the service
building expansion and the new parking structure.
3. Submit revised landscaping plans to include the following:
- Additional palm trees for screening
- Suggest Canary Island Pines in back of the parking structure.
4. Submit signage plans to DRB for review.
5. Lighting fixtures shall be properly design to minimize any glare and/or spill-over lighting
onto the adjoining properties.
6. Provide screening for cars at roof top level. (suggest use of landscaping elements)
SECOND: Robert Reilly
AYES: Steve McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(5) DRB No. 3282
Public Storage
601 N. Main Street
National Sign Network
New illuminated fascia band/wall sign for
an existing public storage facility
M-2 (Industrial) District
Applicant not present.
MOTION by Robert Reilly to continue this project.
SECOND: Steve Prothero
AYES: Steve McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(6) DRB No. 3283
Wells Fargo Bank
101 E. Chapman Avenue
Plasti-line West
New multiple tenant wall signs for an
existing commercial building in Old Towne
C-1 (Limited Business) District
The project was presented by Warren Degree with Plasti-Line, Inc. An actual sample of the
reverse channel lettering was presented to the board to demonstrate that the lighting is concealed,
and that it complies with code requirements.
The board stated that although the lighting source is concealed, the type of signage being
proposed is not in keeping with the period of the historic building. The DRB finds that the type
of sign and its proposed location (above the entablature) are inappropriate and inconsistent with
the Old Towne Design Standard. The DRB suggested alternative locations for the tenant wall
signs such as the closed-off window area along the west elevation, or the large brick wall area
along the south elevation. The DRB also suggested that external illumination be used that are
more in keeping with the period and character of the building. Other alternative solutions
include gold leaf italicized lettering on the windows at the building entrances. The proposed
internally illuminated cabinet sign at he rear of the building facing the parking lot is also
inconsistent with the period of the building. The DRB again stated that the existing pine trees in
the public right-of--way are not to be altered in any way.
The applicant requested the DRB to take final action on the project as proposed.
MOTION by Robert Reilly to deny this project based on the above discussion and stated
findings.
SECOND: Steve Prothero
AYES: Steve McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(7) DRB No. 3285
Lumber Jack Oak and Pine
1995 N. Tustin Street
Bradley Sign Advertising
• New wall sign on existing retail building
• C-TR (Commercial -Tustin Street
Redevelopment) District
The project was presented by Yvonne Dobie with Bradley Signs. The proposal is to replace the
existing wall sign with individual channel letters, and to reface and add onto the existing
freestanding sign.
MOTION by Steve McHarris to approve the project subject to the following conditions:
1. Wall sign approved as submitted with the perimeter neon lighting concealed in a channel so
that it is not directly exposed.
2. Freestanding sign is approved with the top sign can element reduced to a maximum of seven
(7) sq.ft. in size. The shape of the top sign can shall be shaped similar to the "Lumber
Jack's" logo used on the building wall sign. The top sign can shall be installed offset to the
left (higher) side. Eliminate neon lighting for the freestanding sign. Provide opaque
background.
SECOND: Robert Reilly
AYES: Steve McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(8) DRB No. 3286
Diana Livingstone Renovation and addition for an existing
227 N. Shaffer Street single family residence in Old Towne
• R-2 (Residential -Duplex) District
The project was presented by the owner of the property, Diana Livingstone. The proposal is to
add onto an existing single story bungalow house that was constructed in 1914. The addition
would create usable second floor attic area, and a new second level deck.
The DRB expressed concerns with the introduction of various new architectural elements that are
inconsistent with the existing bungalow style house. These elements may be appropriate for
other architectural styles such as a Queen Ann Victorian house, but it appears rather foreign to
what is existing.
MOTION by Robert Reilly to continue this project to allow the applicant the opportunity to
explore other alternatives and revise the project so that it is more in keeping with the period and
architectural style of the existing house.
SECOND: Steve McHarris
AYES: Steve McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(9) DRB No. 3287
BeBe's Cafe New Awning signs for an existing
1432 N. Main Street restaurant, badminton club, and print shop
Awing Masters facility.
• M-2 (Industrial) District
The project was presented by Steve Llebaria with Awning Masters, and Montre Chew with K &
D Graphics and BeBe's Cafe. The proposal is to install 2 internally illuminated awnings with
signage along the building frontage.
MOTION by Steve Prothero to approve the project subject to the following condition:
1. Provide screening material underneath the awning to shield down lighting.
SECOND: Steve McHarris
AYES: Steve McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(10) DRB No. 3284
HoJo Inn Building elevations and landscape plan for
1930 E. Katella Ave. hotel addition
Thos. Lim, Architect C-TR (Limited Business) District
• Recommendation to Planning Commission
The project was presented by Thomas Lim -Architect, and Mr. Praful Patel -owner of the motel
business. The proposal includes the addition of 13 new guest rooms, and general remodeling of
the existing motel complex.
MOTION by Steve Prothero to recommend approval of this project to the Planning Commission,
subject to the following conditions:
1. Prior to issuance of building permits, submit final plans to DRB for approval.
2. Provide solid gate at trash enclosure opening.
3. Provide shutters or false windows at second story on the east elevation of building "B" to
help break-up the large expanse of wall.
4. Eliminate arch element at top of parapet wall on west wing.
5. Submit exterior finish materials to include color palette and lighting fixtures.
6. Provide translucent windows on false dormers to allow for back lighting.
7. Increase height of wall by one foot at Porto Cochere by lowering the arch and/or by raising
the roof.
8. Provide continuous curbing in lieu of individual wheel stops at new building.
9. Eliminate speed bump.
10. Check availability of Michelia doltsopa, as this plant material may not be available in
California due to its susceptibility to heat exhaustion in warm climate.
11. Suggest use of Canary Island Pines for vertical elements in lieu of Podocarpus and/or
Cupressus. If Cupressus are to be used, it should be spaced closer or staggered to created
more interest.
12. Suggest use of Raphiolepis indica "Majestic Beauty" in lieu of Oleanders, as it is susceptible
to leaf scorch.
13. Suggest that the planters in front of the existing motel columns should be planted with an
even number of shrubs (2 or 4) around each tree element.
14. Suggest use of Boston Ivy in lieu of Ficus pumila along the front pool area.
15. Suggest that the existing planters around the pool area be maintained if possible. If these
planters cannot be maintained (due to drive aisle width requirements), then vine pockets are
to be planted in a similar manner as the opposite side of the drive aisle.
SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Tim McCormack, Steve McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Rick Cavecche
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(11) DRB No. 3288
Danny K's Cafe & Billiards
1096 N. Main St. (at Struck)
R.C. Colin Co.
• New fence, landscape plan for patio
addition for a restaurant
• CR (Commercial Recreation) District
The project was presented by Danny Kuykendal, owner of the business. The proposal is to
construct an outdoor patio for use as a designated smoking area. The project was recently
reviewed and approved by the Planning Commission on January 19, 1998.
MOTION by Steve Prothero to approve this project subject to the following conditions:
1. Recommend planting Pittosporum Tobira Wheelers Dwarf at 2 to 3 ft. on center, in lieu of
the proposed Mock Orange, and extending it out to the side of building.
2. Eliminate the existing concrete pavement area adjacent to the public sidewalk.
SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Tim McCormack, Steve McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Rick Cavecche
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED