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1999-12-22 Final DRC MinutesCITY OF ORANGE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES for Wednesday, December 22, 1999 Board Members Present: Leonard Filner Jack McGee Mark Paone Susan Secoy (Chair) Joe Woollett (Vice Chair) Board Member Absent: None Staff in Attendance: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner Howard Morris, Landscape Coordinator Administrative Session - 4:30 P.M. The board met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 p.m. The meeting adjourned at approximately 8:00 p.m. Regular Session - 5:30 PM REVIEW OF MINUTES: The review and approval of the December 8, 1999 minutes were deferred to the January 5, 2000 meeting. MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for December 22, 1999 Page 2 1. DRC No. 3475 -NORTH ORANGE CHRISTIAN CHURCH • Expansion of an existing Church facility • 1001 E. Lincoln Avenue • DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission The project was presented by Terry Jacobson -Architect, Chris Gillette -Pastor, and Jim Liberio -congregation member. The proposal is to add a new 6,065 sq.ft. sanctuary building, and 2,640 sq.ft. of new classroom and nursery facilities. The site's topography dictated the layout of the buildings in a somewhat linear fashion, linked together with series of outdoor plaza areas. The designs of the new buildings are intended to honor and celebrate the existing historic chapel and the old "school house" building, which is now being used as administrative offices and classrooms. Mark Paone raised concerns with the use of tandem parking for this project. In the event that the Planning Commission do not accept the proposed parking layout, the site plan will then require substantial revision. Mr. Jacobson replied that the tandem parking stalls are in excess of code requirement, and it is only provided for their own benefit in the event of an overflow. Joe Woollett agrees with the use of tandem parking in this particular project (church), and stated that the additional parking is a responsible effort on the part of the applicant. One of the main thing that he is concerned with is not continuing with the use of horizontal siding that is similar to the existing building. The texture of the building is one of the primary identifying elements that should be given more consideration. Carrying over only the base material does not seem to be as important. Mark Paone stated that the site plan layout seems appropriate in creating a village of buildings that are linked together. Although some of the existing design elements are being carried-over to the new building, the proportions of these elements does not seem to work well. While the existing chapel `s roof has a subtle break that occurs about 18 inches from its edge, whereas the roof for the new sanctuary has a break that occurs much higher up, and making a strong statement. Mr. Jacobson replied that this is primarily due to the greater roof span for the new building, and because there are height restrictions (32 ft. max.) in the City's zoning code. The building has already been scaled down due to this requirement. Joe Woollett is of the opinion that since the proposed development fronts on an arterial street, and that the site is situated on a lower grade than the adjoining residential properties to the north, it would be inappropriate to restrict the new building to only 32 ft. in overall height. He would support the application fpr a variance because it is such an important design element. It would appear that there are findings that can be made due to the special circumstances and unique topography of this site. Pastor Chris Gilette stated that the new building is a reinterpretation of an existing design. It is not intended to be just a larger duplicate of the existing architecture. City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for December 22, 1999 Page 3 Mark Paone understands and agrees with the applicant's objective, but feels the DRC's suggestion of carrying over some of the identifying elements of the existing architecture would create more continuity for this project. Susan Secoy stated that they can execute the "reinterpretation" through the use of materials and colors, and still be very sympathetic with the existing architecture. The DRC raised concerns regarding the site boundaries that are immediately adjacent to existing residential properties. It is suggested that additional landscaping and larger sized trees (24 inch box minimum) be used to provide more buffer for these areas. It would be helpful to show the locations of existing mature trees, and the building footprints of adjoining residences on the site/landscape plan. Also of concern is the large expanse of pavement in the parking lot area, particularly with the use tandem of spaces. Perhaps some type of turf block material can be used in these areas to help soften the edges. As for the front landscape setback area, some additional planter fingers should be provided for screening purpose. The DRC further stated that, although signage is not a part of the application at this time, it should be taken into consideration as to how it will affect the landscaping design. This will help avoid any potential conflict that may arise later in the development process. MOTION by Susan Secoy to continue the project with the following conditions: 1. Indicate existing building footprints of adjoining residences on site plan. 2. Provide landscape buffer along residential edge, particularly along outdoor playground area. 3. Study the use of grass-crete or turf blocks at tandem spaces, and provide additional landscaping throughout the parking lot to help soften the large expanse of paving areas. 4. Study the proportions of the building to be more consistent with the existing structures. The DRC supports the application for a Variance for increase building height, if it better achieves architectural cohesiveness. 5. Study the use of similar exterior finish materials to be more consistent with the existing buildings. 6. A minimum of 25 % of the new trees shall be 24 inch box in size or larger. SECOND: Mark Paone AYES: Leonard Filner, Jack McGee, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for December 22, 1999 Page 4 2. DRC No. 3482 - HEALTHBRIDGE CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL Signage for a new health care facility 393 S. Tustin Street DRC Action: Final Determination (Applicant not present) MOTION by Susan Secoy to continue the project. SECOND: Joe Woollett AYES: Leonard Filner, Jack McGee, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for December 22, 1999 Page 5 3. DRC No. 3486 -PAUL & EILEEN HERTFELDER • Addition of two 1'/2 story duplex units on a property that contains an existing single family residence in Old Towne • 742 E. Culver Avenue (Contributing Structure) • DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission • (Continued from 12/8/99 meeting) (Staff received a letter from the applicant dated December 20, 1999 requesting to continue their application until further noticed.) MOTION by Jack McGee to continue the project. SECOND: Susan Secoy AYES: Leonard Filner, Jack McGee, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for December 22, 1999 Page 8 5. DRC No. 3497 -LOTUS CAFE Revised signage plans for an existing restaurant 1515 W. Chapman Avenue DRC Action: Final Determination (Approved on consent calendar) MOTION by Susan Secoy to approve the project as submitted. SECOND: Jack McGee AYES: Leonard Filner, Jack McGee, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for December 22, 1999 Page 9 6. DRC No. 3500 - CARLS JR. RESTAURANT Parapet wall extension and signage for an existing restaurant. 3510 E. Chapman Avenue DRC Action: Final Determination The project was presented by Mr. Lorenzo Reyes. The proposal is to extend the parapet on top of the existing roof of the restaurant building to allow for improved signage opportunities. This is called the "Image 2000" upgrade for Carl's Jr. Restaurants. Although Mr. Reyes is not seeking signage approval at this time, a colored illustration of the potential locations on the building of future wall signs for both Carl's Jr. and the Green Burrito was presented to the DRC. MOTION by Mark Paone to approve the project with the following conditions: 1. The east and west building elevations shall be modified to have the raised parapet roof element turning the corner and wrapping around further back (4 ft. minimum) on both sides. 2. The approval also includes the new wall signs for both Carl's Jr. and Green Burrito. 3. The new wall signs for Carl's Jr. and Green Burrito shall be spaced further apart as these are separate business entities. SECOND: Leonard Filner AYES: Leonard Filner, Jack McGee, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for December 22, 1999 Page 10 7. DRC No. 3501 -REPUBLIC INTERNATIONAL MARKETING • Signage for an existing commercial/office building • 1045 W. Katella Avenue • DRC Action: Final Determination (Applicant not present) MOTION by Susan Secoy to continue the project. SECOND: Mark Paone AYES: Leonard Filner, Jack McGee, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: None 12=22-99 drem