1999-12-22 Final DRC MinutesCITY OF ORANGE
DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE
MINUTES
for Wednesday, December 22, 1999
Board Members Present: Leonard Filner
Jack McGee
Mark Paone
Susan Secoy (Chair)
Joe Woollett (Vice Chair)
Board Member Absent: None
Staff in Attendance: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner
Howard Morris, Landscape Coordinator
Administrative Session - 4:30 P.M.
The board met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 p.m. The meeting adjourned at
approximately 8:00 p.m.
Regular Session - 5:30 PM
REVIEW OF MINUTES:
The review and approval of the December 8, 1999 minutes were deferred to the January 5,
2000 meeting.
MOTION CARRIED
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1. DRC No. 3475 -NORTH ORANGE CHRISTIAN CHURCH
• Expansion of an existing Church facility
• 1001 E. Lincoln Avenue
• DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission
The project was presented by Terry Jacobson -Architect, Chris Gillette -Pastor, and Jim
Liberio -congregation member. The proposal is to add a new 6,065 sq.ft. sanctuary building,
and 2,640 sq.ft. of new classroom and nursery facilities. The site's topography dictated the
layout of the buildings in a somewhat linear fashion, linked together with series of outdoor plaza
areas. The designs of the new buildings are intended to honor and celebrate the existing
historic chapel and the old "school house" building, which is now being used as administrative
offices and classrooms.
Mark Paone raised concerns with the use of tandem parking for this project. In the event that
the Planning Commission do not accept the proposed parking layout, the site plan will then
require substantial revision.
Mr. Jacobson replied that the tandem parking stalls are in excess of code requirement, and it is
only provided for their own benefit in the event of an overflow.
Joe Woollett agrees with the use of tandem parking in this particular project (church), and
stated that the additional parking is a responsible effort on the part of the applicant. One of the
main thing that he is concerned with is not continuing with the use of horizontal siding that is
similar to the existing building. The texture of the building is one of the primary identifying
elements that should be given more consideration. Carrying over only the base material does
not seem to be as important.
Mark Paone stated that the site plan layout seems appropriate in creating a village of buildings
that are linked together. Although some of the existing design elements are being carried-over
to the new building, the proportions of these elements does not seem to work well. While the
existing chapel `s roof has a subtle break that occurs about 18 inches from its edge, whereas
the roof for the new sanctuary has a break that occurs much higher up, and making a strong
statement.
Mr. Jacobson replied that this is primarily due to the greater roof span for the new building, and
because there are height restrictions (32 ft. max.) in the City's zoning code. The building has
already been scaled down due to this requirement.
Joe Woollett is of the opinion that since the proposed development fronts on an arterial street,
and that the site is situated on a lower grade than the adjoining residential properties to the
north, it would be inappropriate to restrict the new building to only 32 ft. in overall height. He
would support the application fpr a variance because it is such an important design element. It
would appear that there are findings that can be made due to the special circumstances and
unique topography of this site.
Pastor Chris Gilette stated that the new building is a reinterpretation of an existing design. It is
not intended to be just a larger duplicate of the existing architecture.
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Mark Paone understands and agrees with the applicant's objective, but feels the DRC's
suggestion of carrying over some of the identifying elements of the existing architecture would
create more continuity for this project.
Susan Secoy stated that they can execute the "reinterpretation" through the use of materials
and colors, and still be very sympathetic with the existing architecture.
The DRC raised concerns regarding the site boundaries that are immediately adjacent to
existing residential properties. It is suggested that additional landscaping and larger sized trees
(24 inch box minimum) be used to provide more buffer for these areas. It would be helpful to
show the locations of existing mature trees, and the building footprints of adjoining residences
on the site/landscape plan. Also of concern is the large expanse of pavement in the parking lot
area, particularly with the use tandem of spaces. Perhaps some type of turf block material can
be used in these areas to help soften the edges. As for the front landscape setback area, some
additional planter fingers should be provided for screening purpose.
The DRC further stated that, although signage is not a part of the application at this time, it
should be taken into consideration as to how it will affect the landscaping design. This will help
avoid any potential conflict that may arise later in the development process.
MOTION by Susan Secoy to continue the project with the following conditions:
1. Indicate existing building footprints of adjoining residences on site plan.
2. Provide landscape buffer along residential edge, particularly along outdoor playground area.
3. Study the use of grass-crete or turf blocks at tandem spaces, and provide additional
landscaping throughout the parking lot to help soften the large expanse of paving areas.
4. Study the proportions of the building to be more consistent with the existing structures. The
DRC supports the application for a Variance for increase building height, if it better achieves
architectural cohesiveness.
5. Study the use of similar exterior finish materials to be more consistent with the existing
buildings.
6. A minimum of 25 % of the new trees shall be 24 inch box in size or larger.
SECOND: Mark Paone
AYES: Leonard Filner, Jack McGee, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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2. DRC No. 3482 - HEALTHBRIDGE CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL
Signage for a new health care facility
393 S. Tustin Street
DRC Action: Final Determination
(Applicant not present)
MOTION by Susan Secoy to continue the project.
SECOND: Joe Woollett
AYES: Leonard Filner, Jack McGee, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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3. DRC No. 3486 -PAUL & EILEEN HERTFELDER
• Addition of two 1'/2 story duplex units on a property that contains an existing single
family residence in Old Towne
• 742 E. Culver Avenue (Contributing Structure)
• DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission
• (Continued from 12/8/99 meeting)
(Staff received a letter from the applicant dated December 20, 1999 requesting to continue their
application until further noticed.)
MOTION by Jack McGee to continue the project.
SECOND: Susan Secoy
AYES: Leonard Filner, Jack McGee, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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5. DRC No. 3497 -LOTUS CAFE
Revised signage plans for an existing restaurant
1515 W. Chapman Avenue
DRC Action: Final Determination
(Approved on consent calendar)
MOTION by Susan Secoy to approve the project as submitted.
SECOND: Jack McGee
AYES: Leonard Filner, Jack McGee, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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6. DRC No. 3500 - CARLS JR. RESTAURANT
Parapet wall extension and signage for an existing restaurant.
3510 E. Chapman Avenue
DRC Action: Final Determination
The project was presented by Mr. Lorenzo Reyes. The proposal is to extend the parapet on top
of the existing roof of the restaurant building to allow for improved signage opportunities. This
is called the "Image 2000" upgrade for Carl's Jr. Restaurants. Although Mr. Reyes is not
seeking signage approval at this time, a colored illustration of the potential locations on the
building of future wall signs for both Carl's Jr. and the Green Burrito was presented to the DRC.
MOTION by Mark Paone to approve the project with the following conditions:
1. The east and west building elevations shall be modified to have the raised parapet roof
element turning the corner and wrapping around further back (4 ft. minimum) on both sides.
2. The approval also includes the new wall signs for both Carl's Jr. and Green Burrito.
3. The new wall signs for Carl's Jr. and Green Burrito shall be spaced further apart as these
are separate business entities.
SECOND: Leonard Filner
AYES: Leonard Filner, Jack McGee, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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7. DRC No. 3501 -REPUBLIC INTERNATIONAL MARKETING
• Signage for an existing commercial/office building
• 1045 W. Katella Avenue
• DRC Action: Final Determination
(Applicant not present)
MOTION by Susan Secoy to continue the project.
SECOND: Mark Paone
AYES: Leonard Filner, Jack McGee, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
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