1999-11-17 Final DRC MinutesCITY OF ORANGE
DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE
MINUTES
for Wednesday, November 17, 1999
Board Members Present: Leonard Filner
Jack McGee
*Mark Paone
Susan Secoy (Chair)
Joe Woollett (Vice Chair)
(Left at approximately 6:20 p.m.)
Board Member Absent: None
Staff in Attendance: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner
Howard Morris, Landscape Coordinator
Administrative Session - 4:30 P.M.
The board met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 p.m. The meeting adjourned at
approximately 7:30 p.m.
Regular Session - 5:30 PM
REVIEW OF MINUTES:
The review and approval of the November 3, 1999 minutes were deferred to the December 8,
1999 meeting.
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1. DRC No. 3415 - U. S. STORAGE CENTER
• Landscape plans for a new self storage facility
• 1460 N. Main Street
• DRC Action: Final Determination
The project was presented by Jamie Ali with Westport Properties. The project was approved
under Major Site Plan Review 88-99 by the Planning Commission on April 19, 1999. This is a
submittal of the landscape plans prior to obtaining building permits for construction.
The DRC stated that there were several conditions of approval from the previous DRB meeting
as stated in the March 17, 1999 minutes. The applicant needs to indicate these required
changes on the final site plan and building elevations and submit them back to the DRC for
approval. As for the landscaping plan, the are 2 existing trees along the front that appears to
have been planted when the adjacent Ryder Trucks properties was developed. Are these trees
being removed and replaced? This needs to be clarified. Overall, the proposed planting palette
is acceptable. It should be noted, however, that the use of Strelitzia (Giant Bird of Paradise) in
such a narrow planter area may not be the best solution, as these tend to spread rather large at
the base area. Suggest the use of a different planting material at this location.
A motion was made by Mark Paone to continue the project with the following conditions:
1. Submit revised landscape plans to address the above stated concerns.
2. Submit final site plan and building elevations to show required changes per DRB meeting
minutes of March 17, 1999.
SECOND: Jack McGee
AYES: Leonard Filner, Jack McGee, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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2. DRC No. 3436 - KRAGEN AUTO
• Signage for a new retail automotive parts store
• 910 N. Tustin Street
• DRC Action: Final Determination
The project was presented by Patrick Mr. Faranal with Plasti-Line West Sign Company. The
proposal is to install new wall signs along the south and east building elevations, and to
construct a 15 high freestanding sign at the southeast corner of the site.
The DRC felt that the proposed wall signs were acceptable, but had reservations with the
freestanding sign. The sign is not being drawn correctly to scale, and it appears out of
proportion in terms of the sign face area and a single pole. The sign is also inconsistent with
the new building in term of design and finish materials. The sign needs more character,
perhaps some of the architectural elements of the building can be picked up and incorporated
into the sign structure. Additionally, a street address number is required on the sign to comply
with City requirements.
Mr. Faranal showed the DRC a revised plan that showed a wider base stucco over the sign
pole. The stucco can be painted to match the new building.
MOTION by Susan Secoy to approve the project with the following conditions:
1. Provide street address numbers on freestanding sign to comply with City requirements.
2. The freestanding sign is approved per the revised plans (Drawing No. 99-515) as shown at
the meeting. The sign pole cover shall be minimum 6 ft. wide, and designed more like a
monument rather than a single pole. The finishing colors of the sign base and monument
shall match that of the new building per the color palette approved by the DRC dated
9/22/99.
SECOND: Leonard Filner
AYES: Leonard Filner, Jack McGee, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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3. DRC No. 3488 -RANDY & SHELBA HANSHAW
New 2-story single family residence
6123 E. Cliffway Drive (Tract No. 13913 -Lot 1)
DRC Action: Final Determination
The project was presented by Mr. Greg Sponseller with Champion Development. He has met
with the City's Fire Department to establish a conceptual landscape plan to comply with fuel
modification requirements. There are 3 site section drawings to help better illustrate the slope
conditions of the site. Also submitted are the exterior finish material samples and color palette.
At the 4:30 study session prior to start of the regular meeting, the DRC met with Mr. Tom
Groseclose from the City's Fire Department to verify fuel modification requirements for this
project. The use of Queen Palms are acceptable for this particular site, in consideration of its
location on top the hill away from other structures.
MOTION by Susan Secoy to approve the project with the following conditions:
1. Prior to issuance of Certificate of Occupancy, final landscape plans shall be submitted to the
DRC for approval. (Final plans to include City required landscape inspection notes)
2. Queen Palms shall be placed in groupings of 3 trees maximum, and spaced approximately
30 ft. apart (measured to trunk) minimum. Trees must also be placed minimum 15 feet from
any combustible structure (i.e. main house).
3. Delete tree in planter area along west building elevation.
4. The proposed use of vines along the low wall adjacent to the driveway is approved.
5. Provide minimum 4 ft. wide walkway around the perimeter of the residence to allow for fire
protection.
6. Exterior finish materials and color palette are approved as submitted.
SECOND: Leonard Filner
AYES: Leonard Filner, Jack McGee, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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4. DRC No. 3490 -ATLANTIC RICHFIELD COMPANY
• New metal fascia and wall signs for an existing automotive service station
• 883 N. Tustin Street
• DRC Action: Final Determination
(Approved on consent calendar)
MOTION by Susan Secoy to approve the project as submitted.
SECOND: Leonard Filner
AYES: Leonard Filner, Jack McGee, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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5. DRC No. 3491 -ORANGE RANCH PROPERTIES
• New 5 detached unit residential subdivision
• Southeast side of Nohl Ranch Road, east of Santiago Blvd.
• DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission
The project was presented by the owner Mr. Sam Hanna and Jon Bourgeois, Engineer. The
proposal is a 5 parcel residential planned unit development on 1.359 acres of land. The new
houses would be accessed via common drive approach off Nohl Ranch Road.
The DRC raised the following concerns:
• Grading -There are significant sloped areas that adds constraint to the development of the
site. The project would require extensive use of retaining walls and the importation of soil to
create the necessary building pads on this site. Amore detailed grading plan is needed to
better understand how the site is to be graded in relationship to the surrounding area.
• Landscaping -There are existing mature trees on the site, particularly in the area adjacent
to the drainage channel along the south property line, and along the street frontage. Are
these trees to be save or removed? If removed, what are the proposed mitigation
measures to lessen its impact?
• Architecture -The 5 new houses appear identical. Suggest having some diversity to create
some identity for each individual house. Some of the design elements used are
inconsistent, as there does not seem to be an identifiable style of architecture. It has a
mixture of traditional, contemporary, and post modern design features that does not work
well together. Also, show elevation drawing of 3 car garage.
• Flood Control Channel -what type of improvements are being proposed/required? Provide
detail plans to show what this will look like, particularly views from the adjoining neighboring
properties.
• Lighting -What type of exterior lighting fixtures are used? Glare should be an important
consideration for this project. Provide detail lighting plan.
• Perimeter Wall/Fencing -What are the materials/colors used. Is this a combination of
masonry block and wrought iron? Provide detail plan of perimeter wall/fencing and gating.
• Given the various issues that are still unresolved, the DRC still has reservations with the
overall quality and aesthetics of the project. The project needs further study, and more
information is needed to address the above stated concerns.
MOTION by Susan Secoy to continue the project based on the above discussion, and with the
following conditions:
1. Submit minimum 2 site section drawings to better illustrate the slope conditions of the site.
2. Landscape plans shall indicate all existing trees that are to remain, and the ones that are to
be removed. Mitigation measure shall include replacement of the tree at a one to one ratio,
36 inch box minimum size.
3. Submit minimum 2 variation of front elevation drawings to add more diversity. (Suggest
reversing Plan # 1). The color palette is approved as submitted.
SECOND: Joe Woollett
AYES: Leonard Filner, Jack McGee, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: Mark Paone
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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6. DRC No. 3492 - RUEVAC PROPERTY SERVICES
• Signage for an existing office/industrial building
• 600 W. Taft Avenue
• DRC Action: Final Determination
(Approved on consent calendar)
MOTION by Susan Secoy to approve the project as submitted.
SECOND: Joe Woollett
AYES: Leonard Filner, Jack McGee, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
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