1999-08-25 Final DRC MinutesCITY OF ORANGE
DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE
MINUTES
for Wednesday, August 25, 1999
Board Members Present: Leonard Filner
Jack McGee
Mark Paone
Susan Secoy (Chair)
Joe Woollett (Vice Chair)
Board Member Absent: None
Staff in Attendance: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner
Administrative Session - 4:30 P.M.
The board met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 p.m. The meeting adjourned at
approximately 6:45 p.m.
City of Orange -Design Review Committee
Meeting Minutes for August 25, 1999
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Regular Session - 5:30 PM
REVIEW OF MINUTES:
A motion was made by Susan Secoy to approve the August 11, 1999 minutes with the following
corrections:
DRC #3390 (America On Track (DROMO), page 2, paragraph 3, sentence 2 amended as
follows:
Mr. Putnam further stated that the method of attachment is similar with the use of cable wire,
clamps, etc.
DRC #3421 (Krispy Kreme), page 3, paragraph 3, sentence 1 added as follows:
The applicant agreed to add another directional sign at the far driveway entrance.
DRC #3434 (Ronnie Horton), page 4, paragraph 1, sentence 3 amended as follows:
The plans sews show that the two end columns have been shifted further out to line-up with
the edge of the house, and some architectural detail elements have been added to better
emulate the style of a bungalow.
Paragraph 3, sentence 1 amended as follows:
Mark Paone stated that the proportions of the porch shown on the newly revised plans are
actually wers~ worse and not better than the previous plans.
DRC #3448 (Select Leading & Viking Plumbing), page 8, paragraph 3 added as follows:
Mr. Orozco agreed to install the landscape planters, as the parking is in excess of code
requirement.
DRC #3469 (Orange Coast Community Church) page 17, paragraph 3, sentence 2 amended
as follows:
Once the land use issues and conceptual plans are approved, they will then proceed with the
purchasing of the property, and hire the requisite professionals to prepare the necessary detail
plans and submit it back to the DRC for design approval.
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REVIEW OF MINUTES: (Continued)
Page 17, Committee vote amended as follows:
AYES: Leonard Filner, '^^'' ""^~'°° Vern Jones, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, dee
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SECOND: Mark Paone
AYES: Leonard Filner, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: Jack McGee, Joe Woollett
MOTION CARRIED
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1. DRC No. 3390 -AMERICA ON TRACK (DROMO)
• Revised signage for a new indoor go-cart racing facility
• 1431 N. Main Street
• DRC Action: Final Determination
• (Continued from 8/11/99 meeting)
The owner, Mr. Larry Putnam presented the revised plans that showed the construction details
of the proposed sign, and the color palette.
The DRC was comfortable with the overall design, but still needed some information on how
many lighting fixture(s) would be used to illuminate the sign, and how would it be installed.
Also, the sign at 264 sq.ft. (12' x 22') is slightly over the maximum 250 sq.ft. allowed by code
MOTION by Mark Paone to approve the project with the following conditions:
1. Reduce the sign face area down to 250 sq.ft. maximum to comply with City code.
2. Up-lighting to be reviewed by staff for determination of staff approval, or, submittal back to
the DRC for approval.
SECOND: Leonard Filner
AYES: Leonard Filner, Jack McGee, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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2. DRC No. 3425 - TGI FRIDAY'S RESTAURANT
Addition of neon banding for an existing restaurant
3339 City Boulevard West
DRC Action: Final Determination
(Approved as Consent Item)
MOTION by Susan Secoy to approve the project as submitted.
SECOND: Joe Woollett
AYES: Leonard Filner, Jack McGee, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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3. DRC No. 3456 - PHILLIP DOYON
• Conversion of an existing residence to a bed & breakfast facility in Old Towne
• 224 N. Glassell Street (Contributing Structure)
• DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission
• (Continued from 8/11/99 meeting)
(Prior to the meeting, the applicant requested for a continuance to the next available meeting on
September 8, 1999)
MOTION by Susan Secoy to continue the project.
SECOND: Jack McGee
AYES: Leonard Filner, Jack McGee, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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4. DRC No. 3459 -CHRIS & NICOLE MICHAELIS
Demolition of an existing detached garage and replace with a new 1 %2 story studio
second unit constructed over a 2-car garage. (Existing front house listed as a
Contributing Structure in Old Towne)
288 N. Center Street
DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission
The project was presented by the owners Chris and Nicole Michaelis. The proposal is to
demolish the existing detached garage that is structurally dilapidated, and replace it with a new
studio unit constructed over a 2-car garage and workshop. The project has been scheduled for
Planning Commission hearing on September 20, 1999.
The DRC commended the applicant for submitting a cohesive package with plans that are well
prepared. The issues of concern are as follows:
The windows along the east and west elevation are a bit too large, and placed too close to
the ridge.
The ridge line of the shed dormer is common with the ridge line of the main roof. This is not
typical of Craftsman style detail. There are two ways to fix this: 1) Use a shallower roof
pitch, and start the shed dormer below the ridge of the main roof. This will make it look
more like a dormer, or 2) Raise the entire dormer roof higher to have the same pitch as the
main roof. The primary objective is to separate the ridge of the main roof from the ridge of
the dormer. Whichever design approach to use is predicated on the function of the interior
space, particularly in regards to headroom clearance.
The DRC ask the applicants if they would agree to submitting the revised plans at their next
meeting on 9/8/99, prior to moving on to the Planning Commission. (The DRC also allowed the
applicants to bring the revised plans back to the next meeting without having to submit them
ahead of time for inclusion in their packets).
MOTION by Susan Secoy to continue this item for the applicant to revise the project as follows:
1. The windows be reduced in proportion on the east and west elevations.
2. The shed dormer on the north an south elevations needs to be further studied to separate
the ridge of the main roof and the roof of the dormers, per the above discussion.
SECOND: Jack McGee
AYES: Leonard Filner, Jack McGee, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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5. DRC No. 3466 - CHAPORANGE CENTER
• New freestanding sign for an existing commercial center
• 2832 - 2844 E. Chapman Avenue
• DRC Action: Final Determination
• (Continued from 8/11/99 meeting)
The project was presented by the owner Mr. Young Kim, and Mr. Tom Vinh with Custom Tech
Design. The proposal is to replace an existing freestanding sign that was removed for damage
(photos of the old sign were presented) with a new internally illuminated sign.
The DRC inquired as to what the proposed colors are, and how will it affect the existing
landscaping area. These item were not specified on the submitted plans.
The applicants replied that the sign background is white with black lettering. The sign cabinet
will be painted to match the existing building. Some of the existing grass area will be removed
to accommodate the location of the new sign.
MOTION by Susan Secoy to approve the project subject to the following conditions:
1. The sign base and cabinet to have the same matching blue color as the existing building
trims.
2. The sign is approved with black lettering on white background.
3. Provide a 12" wide `Mow-Strip' around the perimeter of the sign base area. The `Mow-Strip'
to have a hard surface (concrete, brick, etc.), and sloped away from the sign to facilitate
water drainage. Also add Mastic Sealant to the joint between the 'Mow-Strip' and the sign
base.
SECOND: Leonard Filner
AYES: Leonard Filner, Jack McGee, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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6. DRC No. 3468 -CITY OF ORANGE
• Demolition of an existing 9,000 sq. ft. commercial building (formerly Bank of America)
and replace with landscaped public parking lot.
• 345 E. Chapman Avenue
• DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission
• (Request for this item to be continued)
(Prior to the meeting, the applicant requested to continue the project. No meeting date has
been determined)
MOTION by Susan Secoy to continue the project.
SECOND: Joe Woollett
AYES: Leonard Filner, Jack McGee, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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7. DRC No. 3470 -REORGANIZED CHURCH OF LATTER DAY SAINTS
New freestanding sign for an existing church facility
395 S. Tustin Street
DRC Action: Final Determination
(Approved as Consent item)
MOTION by Susan Secoy to approve the project as submitted.
SECOND: Leonard Filner
AYES: Leonard Filner, Jack McGee, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollen
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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8. DRC No. 3471 - BOGART'S SANDWICH
• New freestanding for an existing commercial center
• 3041 E. Chapman Avenue
• DRC Action : Final Determination
The project was presented by the owner, Mr. Eric Bogart, and Sunny Yi with K&L Electric Sign
Company. The proposal is to construct a new 15 ft. high freestanding sign in the existing
corner planter area.
The DRC raised concerns with the removal of the existing planting materials for the location of
the new sign. The DRC also suggested that instead of applying stucco over the base of the
sign, perhaps it can be painted to match the color of the existing building.
Mr. Bogart explained that the landscape planter is currently maintained by the landlord, and that
he would no control over this area. As for the sign's base color, he would have no problem with
matching the existing building.
MOTION by Mark Paone to approve the project with the following conditions:
1. Recommendation that the existing sprinkler system be adjusted to minimize water damage
to the new sign.
2. The sign base shall be a metal base painted with a rust resistance paint (powder coated) to
match the color of the existing building.
SECOND: Leonard Filner
AYES: Leonard Filner, Jack McGee, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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9. DRC No. 3472 -CHRISTOPHER DAY
New 2-story single family residence
Lot 10 Tract No. 13913 (Carlisle Place)
DRC Action: Final Determination
The project was presented by Brian with the Woods Group Architects. The proposal is to
construct a new 2-story 7,376 sq.ft. residence on a vacant parcel of approximately 1.5 acres in
size. There is a considerable amount of landscaping along the rear slope area to help soften
the view from the adjoining Orange Park Acres community to the east. The tract's homeowners
association has its own architectural and landscape guidelines contained in their C,C & R's.
The are several other houses in this tract that have been reviewed and approved by the City's
Design Review Board up to this date.
The DRC stated that due to the fact that the access to the tract was gated, most of the DRC
members were not able to inspect the site. As such the DRC will not be able to review the
project in the context of its surrounding area. The project will be continued to the next meeting
on September 8, 1999, so that the DRC will have an opportunity to visit the project site and its
surrounding area, prior to making any decisions. With that in mind, the DRC discussed the
following items:
The project site is located in a sloped area with existing native vegetation. This is likely to
require approval of fuel modification plans by the Fire Department. Although this is normally
not within the purview of the DRC, it may potentially have a significant impact on the size
and location of the structure(s) and the type of landscaping on the site. Recommend that
the applicant contact the City's Fire Department for verification.
The placement and proportion of various architectural elements need further refinement.
Submit rendering and site section plans to DRC for review.
(The applicant verbally disclosed the access code numbers for the entry gate to the DRC)
MOTION by Susan Secoy to continue the project to the 9/08/99 meeting.
SECOND: Jack McGee
AYES: Leonard Filner, Jack McGee, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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10. DRC No. 3473 -EXXON
• New freestanding sign for an existing automotive service station
• 2490 N. Tustin Street
• DRC Action: Final Determination
(Approved as Consent item)
MOTION by Susan Secoy to approve this project with the following conditions:
1. Provide street address at the bottom of the sign.
SECOND: Mark Paone
AYES: Leonard Filner, Jack McGee, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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