1999-06-23 Final DRC MinutesCity of Orange
Design Review Board
MINUTES
for Wednesday, June 23, 1999
Board Members Present:
Board Member Absent:
Staff in Attendance
Rick Cavecche
Tim McCormack, Chair
*Steve Prothero, Vice-Chair
Susan Secoy
*(Arrived at approximately 5:50 p.m.)
None
Chuck Lau, Associate Planner
Howard Morris, Landscape Coordinator
Administrative Session - 4: 30 P.M.
The board met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 p.m.. The meeting adjourned at
approximately 7:30 p. m.
Regular Session - S: 30 P.M.
A motion was made by Tim McCormack to approve the May 19, 1999 minutes as submitted.
SECOND: Rick Cavecche
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
A motion was made by Tim McCormack to approve the June 9, 1999 minutes as submitted.
SECOND: Steve Prothero
AYES: Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: Rick Cavecche
MOTION CARRIED
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(1) DRB No. 3245
Santiago Hills Auto Spa Center
8544 E. Chapman Avenue
KHR Associates
• Signage for a new automotive service
station, car wash, mini-market, and tube
facility
• PC (Planned Community) District
(Approved as a consent item)
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to approve the project subject to the following conditions:
1. The proposed walls signs A, B, C & F are approved as submitted.
2. The fuel pump island canopy signs D & E, and the freestanding signs G, are not included in this
approval because they were not included in the submitted plans.
SECOND: Susan Secoy
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Steve Prothero
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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DRB No. 3437
Oakridge Private School
NWC Prospect Street & Spring Street
Cathcart/Begin Associates
• Conceptual landscape plans for a new
elementary school with sport fields
• R-O (Recreational Open Space District)
• Recommendation to Planning Commission
The project was presented by Mr. George Adams and Carol Hesketh with Cathcart/Begin Associates.
The plans have been revised to address the board's concerns from the previous meeting. The site plan
and arrangement of classrooms have been modified to include anew quad area for outdoor
gathering/assembly. The security fencing consist of wrought iron and chain-link fence. Riparian trees
(Alder & Sycamore) are added along the west edge of the property adjacent to the creek. Screen trees
have also been added along the south property line facing Spring Street. The overall quantity of trees are
significantly increased.
MOTION by Tim McCormack to recommend preliminary approval of the conceptual site and landscape
plans to the Planning Commission, subject to the following conditions:
1. Improvements along Spring Street public right-of--way to take into consideration and match the
improvements along Prospect Street (curb-parkway-sidewalk). Revised plans to show actual
locations of street trees and street lighting, on-site trees and on-site lighting. The tree layout to
enhance and strengthen the existing street tree layout along Prospect Street.
2. Submit final site plan, building elevations, and landscape plans to DRB for approval. Final plans to
include detail drawings of amphitheater, parking lot lighting, classroom building design, covered
walkways, hardscape layout of entry to administration, fencing, flagpoles, water fountain, etc.
3. Final landscape plans to include planting palette indicating the size ,spacing and specie of planting
materials. The number of tree to comply with City landscape requirements.
4. Coordinate on site trees with street trees along both Prospect Street and Spring Street to achieve
some type of pattern and continuity.
5. Submit signage plans to DRB for approval.
SECOND: Steve Prothero
AYES: Rick Cavecche ,Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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3) DRB No. 3438
Atlantic Richfield Company
2937 E. Chapman Avenue/McPherson
Tait & Associates
• New building fascia and signage for an
existing automotive service station
• C-1 (Limited Business District)
The project was presented by Jose Gandara with Tait & Associates. The proposal is to replace the
existing waIl sign (individual channel letters) with a new "can" type sign with raised letters. This is part
of phase II of the company's "new look" program.
The DRB expressed concerns with the height of the new sign can exceeding the 2/3 ratio of the vertical
fascia wall surface required by code. Perhaps the "sun/moon" graphic element can be incorporated with
the existing channelletters that area already on the building.
MOTION by Tim McCormack to continue the project for re-design per the above discussion.
SECOND: Steve Prothero
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(4) DRB No. 3439
Atlantic Richfield Company
100 N. Tustin Street/Chapman Avenue
Tait & Associates
• New building fascia and signage for an
existing automotive service station
• C-1 (Limited Business District)
The project was presented by Jose Gandara with Tait & Associates. The proposal is to replace the
existing building fascia graphics and wall signs with the company's "new look" program.
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to approve the project as submitted.
SECOND: Susan Secoy
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(5) DRB No. 3440
Atlantic Richfield Company
1935 E. Katella Avenue
Tait & Associates
• New building fascia and signage for an
existing automotive service station
• C-TR (Limited Business District -Tustin
Street Redevelopment Project Area)
The project was presented by Jose Gandara with Tait & Associates. The proposal is to replace the
existing building fascia graphics and wall signs with the company's "new look" program.
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to approve the project as submitted.
SECOND: Susan Secoy
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: Tim McCormack
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(6) DRB No. 3442
Max Stevens New replacement detached 2-car garage in
225 E. River Avenue Old Towne
Bergstrom Construction R2-6 (Residential Duplex District)
The project was presented by Mike Adray -Bergstrom Construction. The proposal is to construct a new
2-car detached garage to replace the existing garage (Non-contributing) which has deteriorated. The
exterior finish materials will match the existing house, which is listed as a historically contributing
structure in Old Towne.
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to approve the project subject to the following conditions:
1. Smooth masonite siding (X-90) is approved. Siding shall be individual lap and not sheet siding.
Corners shall be mitered to have the same matching profile of the existing residence.
2. Exterior finish colors to match existing residence.
3. Composition roof shingles shall match the existing residence.
SECOND: Susan Secoy
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Steve Prothero
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(7) DRB No. 3443
Bank of Yorba Linda
1875 N. Tustin Street
Quiel Brothers Signs
New freestanding sign for an existing bank
C-TR (Limited Business District -Tustin
Street Redevelopment Project Area)
(Approved as a consent item)
MOTION by Susan Secoy to approve the project subject to the following condition:
1. The freestanding sign shall be installed per the submitted site plan dated June 9, 1999.
SECOND: Rick Cavecche
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Steve Prothero
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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DRB No. 3444
AI & Ed's Autosound
1171 N. Tustin Street
San Pedro Sign Company
• New replacement wall signs for an existing
retail business
• C-TR (Limited Business District -Tustin
Street Redevelopment Project Area)
The project was presented by Roy Ramirez with San Pedro Sign Company. The proposal is to install 2
sets of replacement wall signs along the north and west building elevations of an existing retail store.
The new wall signs are "stacked" with 2 lines of lettering, to be installed on the north and west faces of
the tower element at the west end the building. This would necessitate the removal of the existing
square-cross shaped architectural features on the tower element.
The DRB stated that the existing architectural features should not be removed because it is an integrated
design element that significantly enhance the aesthetics of the center. The DRB understands the
importance of having adequate identification for businesses. However, the use of signage should not be
exploited and the building's aesthetics should not be compromised just to have larger signs.
Additionally, the new sign would necessitate the removal of an existing palm tree on the west side of the
building. Removal of the tree would further disrupt the overall design qualities of the center. Based on
the above stated concerns, the DRB cannot support this project.
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to deny the project based on the following findings:
1. The existing architectural feature should not be removed because it is an integrated design element
that enhance the aesthetics of the center.
2. The proposed signage is not in keeping with the building's architecture, and therefore is not
compatible with the existing center.
3. The proposed signage would necessitate the removal of an existing palm tree on the west side of the
building. Removal of the tree would further disrupt the overall design qualities of the center.
SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Steve Prothero
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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DRB No. 3446
Johnny Reb `s Restaurant
2940 E. Chapman Avenue
Larry Carter
• Renovation and expansion of an existing
restaurant
• C-1 (Limited Business District)
The project was presented by the restaurant owners Larry and Cheryl Carter. The proposal is to remodel
an existing restaurant (formerly Dynasty Restaurant) to include the addition of an exterior theme area, an
outdoor patio dining area, and additions to the rear. Color renderings were also presented to the DRB to
better illustrate the restaurant's southern roadhouse cafe design theme. There are currently 2 other
Johnny Reb's restaurant locations in Long Beach and Bellflower.
The DRB is in support of the proposed design theme, stating that the colors and material shown on the
artist's rendering are very exciting. This is a definite improvement over the existing restaurant. The
level of detail (smoke stacked chimney, water barrel on roof top, window shutters, wood posts, corbels,
picket fence, etc.) needs more refinement, and should be indicated on all four building elevation plans.
Tim McCormack asked if there were any comments from the public.
Mr. Mike Philippi, owner of The Hobbit Restaurant next door (2932 E. Chapman) stated that he would
like to see the existing landscaping (Ficus trees) along the property line be maintained to help mitigate
any potential impacts of noise, lighting, privacy, etc.
Mr. Larry Carter replied that their intention is to retain the existing landscaping along the perimeter of
the property. The only landscaping that needs to be trimmed back is in the front yard setback area at the
existing driveway for vehicular sight distance and safety purposes.
MOTION by Tim McCormack to approve the preliminary concept plans with the following conditions:
1. Submit final site plan, building elevations and landscape plans to DRB for approval.
2. Submit a114 building elevations and show details per the design concept shown on the renderings.
3. All roof top equipment shall be screened from view.
4. Submit exterior fmish materials and color palette to DRB.
5. Submit lighting plans to DRB. Lighting fixtures to coordinated with landscape plans to avoid
potential conflict.
6. Signage plans approved as submitted, including painted wall sign and freestanding sign face change.
7. Indicate existing landscaping to be retained, and add 2 new tree wells at rear parking lot area.
Landscaping needs to support thematic design of southern roadhouse cafe. (Suggestion: Weeping
Willow, Magnolia, etc.)
8. Landscaping within front yard setback area must comply with City standards for vehicular sight
distance at driveways.
SECOND: Rick Cavecche
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(10) DRB No. 3447
Down Home Antiques
200 E. Chapman Avenue
Janet Thompson
(Approved as a consent item)
• Signage for a new retail tenant located
within the Old Towne District
• C-1 (Limited Business District)
MOTION by Tim McCormack to approve the project subject to the following conditions:
L The proposed wall sign along the west building elevation (Orange Street) is approved as submitted.
2. The proposed wall sign along the north building elevation shall be limited to a sign height not to
exceed a dimension of two-thirds (2/3) of the height of the vertical surface upon which it is located.
SECOND: Rick Cavecche
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Steve Prothero
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED