1999-04-07 Final DRC MinutesCity of Orange
Design Review Board
MINUTES
for Wednesday, April 7, 1999
Board Members Present: Rick Cavecche
Tim McCormack
Steve Prothero
Board Member Absent: Susan Secoy
Staff in Attendance: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner
Administrative Session - 4: 30 P.M.
The board met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 p.m.. The meeting adjourned at
approximately 9:40 p. m.
Regular Session - 6: 30 P.M.
The review and approval of the March 3, and March 17, 1999 minutes were deferred to the April
21, 1999 meeting.
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(1) DRB No. 3245
Santiago Hills Auto Spa Center Revised fuel pump island canopy for a new
8544 E. Chapman Avenue automotive service station, car wash, mini-
KHRAssociates market, and tube facility
• PC (Planned Community) District
The project was presented by John Dilauro with KHR Associates. The proposal is to replace the
previously approved fuel island canopy with a new corporate (Chevron) standard canopy. A
sight line study was provided to illustrate that the new canopy design is slightly higher (26'-4"
new versus 23'-0" previous).
The DRB expressed concerns with the new corporate design being architecturally incompatible
with the design of the auto spa building and with the shopping center. The DRB offered the
applicant the option of revising the canopy to incorporate the architectural elements of the
building to be more consistent with the overall project, or that a final determination be made at
this time.
The applicant requested for a final determination by the DRB.
MOTION by Steve Prothero deny the proposed plan revisions, based on the concerns stated
above.
SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero
NOES: None
ABSENT: Susan Secoy
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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DRB No. 3278
Hewes Park Estates
394 & 416 S. Esplanade Street
Nuvis Landscape Architects
• Landscape plans for a new 13 unit
residential development
• R1-7 (Single Family Residential District -
7.000 sa.ft. minimum lot size)
The project was presented by Tim Roberts - TNR Development Corp., Greg Applegate -Consulting
Arborist, and Bob Stone -Nuvis Landscape Architects. The intent is to preserve and maintain as many
of the existing mature specimen trees on the site as possible, and to create a more gradual transition
between the existing landscaping areas and the new landscaping areas. Also submitted are samples of
exterior building finish materials and color palette. This is a final review of the project prior to
submitting construction documents to the Building Department for plan check and permit issuance.
MOTION by Tim McCormack to approve the project subject to the following conditions:
1. Slope area at building pads; loosen-up the shrub massing to have open areas and tight areas so that it
appears less formal. Also relocate the Giant Birds of Paradise out of the slope areas to another areas
that are relatively flat.
2. Change Bronze Loquat to "Multi" or low branch.
3. Add Pittosporum undulatum "Standard" to the tree palette, and move Pittosporum undulatum
"Multi" to the shrub palette.
4. Provide two more variety of Eucalyptus (E. cladocalyx & E. citriodora) to help create a sky line
along the edges, in addition to the selected Eucalyptus (E. torquata & E. ficifolia) for massing and
flowering.
Recommend adding light fixture to create symmetry at the pedestrian gate.
SECOND: Steve Prothero
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero
NOES: None
ABSENT: Susan Secoy
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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DRB No. 3358
Investor Realty Company
NWC Main Street & La Veta
David Valentine
• Sign program for a new retail center
• C-2 (General Business District)
The project was presented by Moira Boynton with Gannon Design. This is a comprehensive sign
program that includes Rite Aid, and the 2 restaurant pads. Some modifications have been made
to the plans submitted in the DRB's packet, particularly to the Rite Aid building. The
illuminated awning was never approved as part of the building elevation, and is therefore being
replaced with individual channel letters. The freestanding pole sign with changeable copy is
being replaced with a monument sign without the changeable copy. Other changes include
relocating the freestanding signs away from the driveway entrances to accommodate the
placement of trees per the previously approved landscape plans on March 17, 1999.
The DRB expressed concerns with the use of accessory signs (Pharmacy Foodmart 1-Hr. Photo)
on the Rite Aid building.
Staff replied that the Planning Commission has upheld the use of accessory signs for the Rite
Aid store at the Chapman & Tustin location. (DRB Appeal No. 02-98 approved Apri16, 1998)
MOTION by Steve Prothero to approve the proposed sign program, subject to the following
conditions:
1. Freestanding signs (F1, F2 & F3) to be relocated away from the driveway entrances to
accommodate the placement of trees.
2. Freestanding sign tenant panels shall have an opaque background and be of the same field
color. The sign text and logo may be illuminated and may be of any color and type style.
3. The base of the freestanding signs shall be extended out minimum 3 inches from the sign
cabinet, with a beveled edge detail to match the base of the columns on the building.
4. Signage for Rite Aid is approved with individual channel letters along the building
storefront. Accessory signs (Pharmacy Foodmart 1-Hr. Photo) are approved along the
storefront underneath the main sign, and along the south building elevation. Also approved
are Sign C "Drive Thru Pharmacy" along the east elevation of the drive-thru canopy, and Sign
E "Do Not Enter" (size not to exceed the width of the column that it is placed upon). The
Rite Aid corporate signs A, D, G, H, I and J are incorrect and do not apply.
5. Individual tenant wall signs are approved with an opaque background and the same field
color. The sign text and logo maybe illuminated and maybe of any color and type style.
6. Signage for Taco Bell restaurant is approved as submitted.
7. Signage for Carl's Jr. restaurant is approved with the condition that the "Happy Star" that is
offset along the south elevation to be peg mounted and illuminated on all sides.
8. On-site directional signs are approved as submitted, and shall be limited to only those that
are identified on the site signage plan.
SECOND: Steve Prothero
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero
NOES: None
ABSENT: Susan Secoy
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(4) DRB No. 3409
Texaco Renovation of an existing automotive
700 W. Chapman Avenue service station in Old Towne
Harry Mitchell C-2 (General Business District)
The project was presented by the owner Mr. Harry Mitchell. The plans have been further revised
per discussion from the previous meetings.
The board noted that the plans are more accurately drawn, and are much improved over the
previous submittals. The DRB again suggested that professional help be acquired for proper
design and preparation of the signage plans.
Steve Prothero raised concern with project not having a stronger color scheme. This issue has
not been fully resolved.
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to approve the project, subject to the following conditions:
1. The overhead panels above the service bay entrance along the front (north) elevation shall be
divided into five (5) equally spaced panels.
2. The approved paint colors for the service station are BEHR No. 68 White for the main
building, and No. 56 Cobblestone Grey or darker (i.e. Texaco Grey) for the upper cornice
and the base of the building. The cantilever eyebrow to be painted bright Texaco Red.
3. Submit signage plans to DRB for approval. (Must comply with Old Towne Design
Standards)
SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack
NOES: Steve Prothero
ABSENT: Susan Secoy
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(5) DRB No. 3411
Joseph & Alicia Nessl
303 E. River Avenue
Systems Building Integration
• 2-story room addition for an existing
residence in Old Towne
• R2-6 (Duplex Residential District)
• Recommendation to Planning Commission
The project was Presented by Sandy Ingram with Systems Building Integration. The proposal is
to construct a second story addition over the garage of an existing non-contributing residence in
Old Towne. The project will be scheduled for Planning Commission hearing after the DRB's
initial review.
The DRB commented as follows:
• The existing residence is anon-conforming stucco box originally constructed in the 50's, and
the proposal is a bigger 2-story box.
• The windows appears to be drawn incorrectly and out of proportion. (Does not seem to meet
U.B.C exiting requirements)
~ New driveway at Toluca Avenue should be a ribbon driveway to help minimize the amount
of concrete paving.
• Suggest the use of different siding material at the second story to help accentuate the
horizontal massing of the building.
~ Suggest the use of colors to help create contrast and better articulate the building.
• The style should be in keeping with the period of the existing house, but needs to utilize
some of the 40's and 50's architectural design elements.
The DRB offered the applicant the option of revising the project to address the above stated
concerns.
The applicant consented for a continuance to revised their project and return to the next DRB
meeting on Apri121, 1999.
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to continue the project per the applicant's request.
SECOND: Steve Prothero
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero
NOES: None
ABSENT: Susan Secoy
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(6) DRB No. 3416
La Plata Enterprises 20 unit senior housing development
170 N. Prospect . C-1 Limited Business District)
Sam J. Bevaqua -Designer . Recommendation to Plannina Commission
The project was presented by the owner's representative Mr. Sam Bevaqua. The proposal is to
develop a 2-story, 20 unit senior housing project with subterranean garage parking. The project
is scheduled for Planning Commission hearing on May 3, 1999.
The DRB expressed the following concerns:
• The building is being maximized on the site with very limited open space. The economical
design approach of utilizing the site to its maximum limitations does not create a quality
living environment for its occupants.
• The project's programming is poor. Although it may not be required by code, the elevator
should also provide access to the second floor area and not just the first floor, especially if
this is to be occupied by seniors.
• The large box-like building is uninteresting and is pushing the envelope in terms of bulk and
mass. The architecture of the building looks more like a motel rather than a quality housing
project.
• The project in its present form does not provide an acceptable solution. Given the greater
density (50+ units per acre) of this project, the applicant should explore the possibility of a
three story design with an internal loaded corridor so that some movement can be created
along the elevations to allow for better articulation on the building. This would also allow
private balconies to be added to the units, with additional outdoor recreational open space for
the project.
The DRB stated that they cannot support the project as proposed in its present form. The DRB
offered the applicant the option of revising the project to address the above stated issues, or that
a final determination be made so that they can stay on schedule with the Planning Commission
public hearing.
The applicant explained that they have a commitment with the property owner to proceed to the
Planning Commission on May 3, 1999, and requested a determination by the DRB.
MOTION by Steve Prothero to recommend denial of this project to the Planning Commission,
based on the concerns stated above.
SECOND: Steve Prothero
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero
NOES: None
ABSENT: Susan Secoy
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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DRB No. 3421
Krispy Kreme
The Block at Orange -Out Parcel at The
City Drive between TGIF & EI Torito
Tarlos & Associates
• New donut shop with drive-thru lane
• C-2 (General Business District)
• Recommendation to Planning Commission
(Applicant not present)
MOTION by Steve Prothero to continue the project.
SECOND: Rick Cavecche
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Steve Prothero
NOES: None
ABSENT: Susan Secoy
ABSTAINED: Tim McCormack
MOTION CARRIED
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DRB No. 3422
Orange Villa Retail Center Storefront remodel -existing retail center
2004-2094 N. Tustin Street C-TR (Limited Business District -Tustin
Architects Orange Street Redevelopment Project Area)
The project was presented by Jim Dietz -Architects Orange, and Craig Jones - Jones
Development. The proposal is to remodel the building facade of an existing retail strip shopping
center. The existing landscaping in the parking lot area are in fairly good shape. Other than
some minor maintenance work, the landscaping will remain unchanged.
The DRB stated that the architect has done a good job with breaking-up the long linear shape of
the center, although the architectural element at the north end of Building #1 may need to be
further strengthened. The overall design concept and new color palette are vastly improved over
the existing.
MOTION by to Rick Cavecche to approve the project with the following suggestions:
1. Architect to study the possibility of further strengthening and enhancing of the architectural element
at the north end of Building #1.
2. Architect to study parking lighting to ensure compatibility with the landscaping.
SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero
NOES: None
ABSENT: Susan Secoy
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(9) DRB No. 3423
Atlantic Richfield Company
271 S. Tustin Street
Tait & Associates
(Approved on the Consent Calendar)
• Fuel pump island canopy remodel for an
existing service station and mini-mart
• C-1 (Limited Business District)
MOTION by Steve Prothero to approve the project as submitted.
SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero
NOES: None
ABSENT: Susan Secoy
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(10) DRB No. 3424
EI Torito Express Wall sign for a new restaurant at the Town
745 S. Main Street & Country Shopping Center South
Global Image Services C-2 (General Business District)
(Approved on the Consent Calendar)
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to approve the project as submitted
SECOND: Steve Prothero
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero
NOES: None
ABSENT: Susan Secoy
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(11) DRB No. 3425
TGI Friday's Remodeling and expansion of an existing
3339 City Blvd. East restaurant
Schuss-Clark Architectural Corp. C-2 (General Business District)
The project was presented by Deborah Kerr representing T.G.I. Friday's Restaurant. The
proposal is to expand the existing restaurant by enlarging the outdoor patio dining area, and to
remodel the exterior of the of the building.
MOTION by Steve Prothero to approve the project subject to the following conditions:
1. Wrap the awning around the corner of the building.
2. Shift the wall sign one `bay' over to the left along the west building elevation.
SECOND: Rick Cavecche
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Steve Prothero
NOES: None
ABSENT: Susan Secoy
ABSTAINED: Tim McCormack
MOTION CARRIED
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(12) DRB No. 3426
Dr. Robert F. Ruper • New freestanding sign for an eye clinic
416 S. Glassell Street located in Old Towne
Joe Jeffreys O-P (Office Professional District)
(Approved on the Consent Calendar)
MOTION by Steve Prothero to approve the project subject to the following conditions:
1. Extend the two side posts 2 inches higher than the top frame member and add decorative cap.
2. The street address number shall be centered at the bottom of the sign face.
3. The scroll detail on top of the sign shall be proportionally reduced in size to a maximum of
36 inches wide. Thickness of the scroll detail shall be 2 inches minimum. Add texture by
routing-out the face of the scroll detail.
SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero
NOES: None
ABSENT: Susan Secoy
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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13) DRB No. 3428
Washington Mutual • Replacement freestanding sign for an
2233 N. Tustin Street existing bank
Signtech Electrical Advertising, Inc. C-TR (Limited Business District -Tustin
Street Redevelopment Project Area)
Project withdrawn by Applicant. No action required for this item
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(14) DRB No. 3429
Wells Fargo Bank
101 E. Chapman Avenue
Mary K. Williams
Exterior repair of an existing commercial
building in Old Towne
C-1 (Limited Business District)
(Approved on the Consent Calendar)
MOTION by Steve Prothero to approve the proposed replacement of the existing deteriorated marble
with stucco, based on the fact that this is listed as non-contributing building and that the stucco is
currently being used in the same application on other portions of the building.
SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero
NOES: None
ABSENT: Susan Secoy
ABSTAINED: None