1999-03-17 Final DRC MinutesCity of Orange
Design Review Board
MINUTES
for Wednesday, March 17, 1999
Board Members Present: Tim McCormack
Steve Prothero
Susan Secoy
Board Member Absent: Rick Cavecche
Staff in Attendance: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner
Howard Morris, Landscape Coordinator
Administrative Session - 4: 30 P.M.
The board met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 p.m.. The meeting adjourned at
approximately 8:00 p. m.
Regular Session - S: 30 P.M.
The review and approval of the March 3, 1999 minutes was deferred to the April 7, 1999 meeting
as they were not available.
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A motion was made by Tim McCormack to approve the February 17, 1999 minutes with the
following revisions:
DRB #3406 (Ralph Zehner) page 2 paragraph one sentence 2 amended as follows:
These structures are traditionally secondary to the principle residential structures.
Page 4,para rg_aph 6, sentence 1, amended as follows:
The project has had been re-designed over and over again.
Page 5, paragraph 7, sentence 2, amended as follows:
Although she is not in favor if keeping the existing storage shed, she is more eexeet~ concerned
with the detached garage structure.
SECOND: Susan Secoy
AYES: Timothy McCormack, Steven Prothero and Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Rick Cavecche
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(1) DRB No. 3358
Investor Realty Company
NWC Main Street & La Veta
Carol Robinson -Landscape Architect
• Landscape plans for a new retail center
with drive-thru pharmacy and 2 drive-thru
restaurants
• C-2 (General Business District)
The project was presented by the owner David Valentine, and Carol Robinson -Landscape
Architect. This is review of the final landscape plans for the new center. The plans have been
revised per discussion from the previous meeting.
MOTION by Tim McCormack to approve the final landscape plans, subject to the following
conditions:
1. Hedge row along Main Street to be setback 24 inches, or be replaced with low ground cover
such as Star Jasmine, to allow for vehicular overhang.
2. Maintain a 6 ft. height differential between the Mexican Fan Palms and the Queen Palms.
The Mexican Fan Palms to be a minimum 18 ft. brown trunk, and the Queen Palms to be a
minimum 12 ft. brown trunk. (Preferably 21 ft. & 15 ft. brown trunk height combination)
3. Add a tree at each of the four driveways to balance out the entrances. Recommend shifting
the freestanding signs forward, or relocate to another location to avoid potential conflicts.
4. Replace the Nandina Domestica at the southeast corner circular planter area with Flax,
preferably in a medium to large size variety.
5. Recommend verifying the availability of the variety of Cotoneaster Congestus being
specified. "Likiang" is recommended.
6. Install ground cover under large shrubs (Rhaphiolepis/Viburnum) along the west property
line.
7. Ground cover to be the landscape architect's choice, planted at minimum 8 inches on center.
S. Landscaping at the perimeter of the Rite-Aid building and Taco Bell Restaurant to be
submitted to the DRB for approval.
9. Shift the Carrotwood tree at the west side of Carl's Jr. Restaurant to create planting space to
add 2 Queen Palms. (Carrotwood tree may be down sized from 24 inch box to 15 gallon)
10. Submit signage plans to DRB for approval.
SECOND: Susan Secoy
AYES: Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Rick Cavecche
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(2) DRB No. 3408
AI Ricci Residence
439 S. Grand Street
Douglas Ely -Architect
• Addition of a 2-story second unit in Old
Towne
• R2-6 (Duplex Residential District)
• Recommendation to Planning Commission
The project was presented by the owner, Al Ricci, and the project architect, Douglas Ely. The
plans have been revise to address the issue of bulk and mass, particularly along the south
building elevation. The addition of architectural elements helps the articulation of the proposed
2-story building.
The DRB noted that four opposition letters were recently received from the following people:
Joan & Ron Newcomb - 429 So. Grand Street
Annie Strain - 191 So. Harwood Street
Mary Matuzak - 340 So. Grand Street
John & Annalisa Goode - 438 So. Grand Street
The following people spoke in opposition to the project at the meeting:
Angie Rust - 493 So. Grand Street
Louie Caballero - 487 So. Grand Street
Mary Matuzak - 340 So. Grand Street
The primary concerns were; the notification process of this project, 2-story versus P/z story, bulk
and mass, open space, parking, floor area ratio and property value.
Staff explained that the project was advertised in the Orange Independent Newspaper at least 10
days prior to the meeting (February 19, 1999) per the City's Old Towne Demolition Ordinance.
In addition, all property owners within 300 ft. of the project site would be notified for the
Planning Commission hearing.
The applicant stated that although this is a 2-story structure, the 25 ft. roof height is only slightly
higher than the existing 1'/z story front house which measures at 23 '/~ ft. in overall height.
Additionally, the project's open space and 0.57 F.A..R. is well within City code requirements.
The DRB stated that although the project is pushing the limits of bulk and mass, the revised
plans are much improved in terms of using architectural trims and treatments to help breaking-up
the scale of the building, especially along the south elevation. The DRB finds that the applicant
has adequately addressed the DRB's stated concerns regarding bulk and mass, and that the
project's articulation and overall aesthetics are vastly improved prom the previous submittal,
which are consistent with the Old Towne Design Standards.
MOTION by Susan Secoy to recommend approval the project to the Planning Commission, subject to the
following conditions:
1. The public comments and opposition letters received during tonight's DRB meeting shall be
forwarded to the Planning Commission to further address the issues of F.A.R. and bulk & mass.
2. Additional trees shall be provided on the site to help mitigate visual impact.
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3. Recommend eliminating the new concrete brick pedestrian walkway, so that only one center
walkway is provided for the project.
4. The rear balcony shall retain the open railing design from the previous plan submittal on March 3,
1999, with the addition of the new dentil and trim detail at the second floor line.
5. Garage door shall be a flat panel design with abreak-up pattern that is more period to the craftsman
style houses.
SECOND: Steve Prothero
AYES: Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Rick Cavecche
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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DRB No. 3409
Texaco
700 W. Chapman Avenue
Harry Mitchell
• Renovation of an existing automotive
service station in Old Towne
• C-2 (General Business District)
The revised plans were presented by the owner Mr. Harry Mitchell.. Additional changes were
made based on the discussion from the previous meeting. The cornice detail has been deleted
from the building and fuel pump island canopy. The cantilevered eyebrow will remain on the
building, and expansion joints have been added. Photographs of other service stations in various
location were presented to illustrate possible color schemes.
The board again stated that although the revised plans are an improvement to the previous
submittal, the drawings are still incomplete due to a lack of pertinent information and detail. The
dimensions shown on the plans does not scale-out as indicated. Again, the DRB recommend that
the applicant hire professional help for proper design and preparation of accurately drawn plans.
The board will not approve a partial and incomplete project
MOTION by Tim McCormack to continue the project for a more complete submittal with
accurately drawn plans.
SECOND: Susan Secoy
AYES: Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Rick Cavecche
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(4) DRB No. 3411
Joseph & Alicia Nessl
303 E. River Avenue
Systems Building Integration
(Applicant not present)
• 2-story room addition for an existing
residence in Old Towne
• R2-6 (Duplex Residential District)
• Recommendation to Planning Commission
MOTION by Tim McCormack to continue the project
SECOND: Susan Secoy
AYES: Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Rick Cavecche
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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5) DRB No. 3415
U.S. Storage Center
West side of Main St./North of Trenton
Beck-Moffett & Associates
• New self-storage facility
• M-2 (Industrial District)
• Recommendation to Planning Commission
The project was presented by the owner Mr. Barry Hoeven, and the project architects, Craig
Mann and Jim Moffett with Beck-Moffett Associates. The proposal is to develop a 2-story,
80,000 sq.ft. self-storage facility on an 2 acre parcel. The facility includes a caretakers residence
and office. The site is located on the west side of Main Street between the Santa Fe Pacific
Railroad right-of-way and the Ryder Trucks facility.
The DRB raised concerns with the use of different roof materials for the caretaker's unit/office
(Spanish mission tile) versus the storage units (metal). The DRB suggested changing the the
roof to another material that would be more consistent with the metal roof used for the storage
units.
MOTION by Steve Prothero to recommend approval to the Planning commission subject to the
following conditions:
1. The caretakers unit/office shall be more compatible with the balance of the project.
Recommend that the exterior colors to be more of a contemporary, monochromatic scheme
in lieu of red mission tiles.
2. Relocate the pedestrian access gate forward to the front plane of the building, and raise the
block wall to minimum 6 ft. in height.
3. Light fixture to be compatible with the residential unit.
4. Submit landscape plans to DRB for approval. Plans to include hardscape design such as
enhanced paving areas.
5. Submit signage plans to DRB for approval.
SECOND: Susan Secoy
AYES: Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Rick Cavecche
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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DRB No. 3417
Denman & Company
401 W. Chapman Avenue
Bob Denman
Wall signs for a new commercial tenant in
Old Towne
SPZ (Santa Fe Depot Area Specific Plan)
The project was presented by the owner Mr. Bob Denman. The proposal is to install new wall
signs along the south and east building elevations, and to install a new hanging pedestrian sign at
the southeast corner of the building.
MOTION by Steve Prothero to approve the project subject to the following conditions:
1. Sign "A" and Sign "D" are approved as submitted. (Delete lower Sign `B")
2. Hanging pedestrian sign bracket to be modified as follows; Upper '/~ inch diameter round steel rod
welded to a shorter bracket, Bottom 3 inch wide flat bar.
SECOND: Susan Secoy
AYES: Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Rick Cavecche
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(7) DRB No. 3418
Recreation Unlimited
1317 W. Katella Avenue
Sign Lights Plus
(Applicant not present)
• Wall signs for a new commercial tenant
• C-R (Commercial Recreational District)
MOTION by Tim McCormack to continue the project.
SECOND: Susan Secoy
AYES: Tim McCormack, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Rick Cavecche
ABSTAINED: Steve Prothero
MOTION CARRIED
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(8) DRB No. 3419
Oscar's Restaurant
763 S Main Street, Ste. #200
Schuss-Clark Architects
• Addition of outdoor dining area for a new
restaurant tenant
• C-2 (General Business District)
The project was presented by John Murray with the Reyes Group. The proposal is to add a
canvas canopy cover for the outdoor dining area of a new restaurant at the Town & Country
Shopping Center.
MOTION by Steve Prothero to approve the project subject to the following conditions:
1. Canopy cover to extend out half the distance of the outdoor patio dining area.
2. Canopy fabric (canvas) and colors (blue) approved as submitted.
3. Applicant to address the issue of patio area drainage after wash down at the close of business.
4. Submit attachment detail of canopy to pilasters to DRB for review.
SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Rick Cavecche
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(9) DRB No. 3421
Krispy Kreme •
The Block at Orange -Out Parcel at The
City Drive between TGIF & EI Torito
Tarlos & Associates
New donut shop with drive-thru lane
C-2 (General Business District)
The applicant contacted staff prior to the meeting to request for a continuance to the next
available meeting date.
MOTION by Susan Secoy to continue review of the project to Apri17, 1999.
SECOND: Steve Prothero
AYES: Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Rick Cavecche
ABSTAINED: Tim McCormack
MOTION CARRIED