1999-01-06 Final DRC MinutesCity of Orange
Design Review Board
MINUTES
for Wednesday, January 6, 1999
Board Members Present: Rick Cavecche
Tim McCormack*
Steve Prothero
Susan Secoy
(*Arrived at approximately 6:10 p.m.)
Board Member Absent: None
Staff in Attendance: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner
Howard Morris, Landscape Coordinator
Administrative Session - 4: 30 P.M.
The board met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 p.m.. The meeting adjourned at
approximately 10:30 p. m.
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Meeting Minutes for January 6, 1999
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Regular Session - 5: 30 P.M.
A motion was made by Susan Secoy to approve the November 4, 1998 minutes as submitted.
SECOND: Steve Prothero
AYES: Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: Rick Cavecche
MOTION CARRIED
A motion was made by Rick Cavecche to approve the November 18, 1998 minutes as submitted.
SECOND: Susan Secoy
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
A motion was made by Rick Cavecche to approve the December 2, 1998 minutes as submitted.
SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
MOTION CARRIED
No motion was needed regarding the December 16, 1998 minutes as the meeting was
cancelled.
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(1) DRB No. 3297
Salem Lutheran Church
6500 E. Santiago Canyon Road
Nobles & Associates -Architects
Expansion of existing church and school
facilities
R-1 (Residential -Single Family District)
Recommendation to City Council
The project was presented by Ted Morris with Noble & Associate Architects, Carol Begin with
Cathcart/Begin Landscape Architects, and Skip Raymond with Salem Lutheran Church. The
project has been reviewed by the Planning Commission and approved by the City Council. A
condition of approval was placed on the project which requires that the final plans be brought
back to the City Council for final approval. The landscaping plans have been further refined to
better address the board's concerns from the previous meeting. The various school buildings on
the campus were constructed over a period time which does not have a dominant theme or style
of architecture. Eventually, the existing buildings would be painted the same colors to match the
new building as part of maintenance over time.
The DRB expressed concerns with the aesthetics of the building, particularly the north and west
elevations, due to its proximity to the street. Better articulation and more diversity is needed,
such as the use of exposed rafter ends to emulate ranch style architecture, and by varying the
color and/or texture to help further break up design elements. Other issues of concern include
the location of mechanical equipment in relation to roof parapet height for proper screening, and
the requirement for a site lighting fixture plan to demonstrate that lighting is shielded and
directed away from adjoining residences.
The applicants responded that they have met with the people in the neighbor on several
occasions, and that the project have already been significantly revised and compromised to
satisfy the needs of the neighbors. The intent is to have a low key, understated building that
would not be obtrusive to the neighborhood. There are definite concerns with being too creative
with new designs or color schemes. The applicants were also under the impression that the color
palette had already been approved from the previous meeting. As for the issue of lighting, a
photometric plan will be submitted to the Police Department Crime Prevention Bureau for
review and approval.
Additional concerns were raised by Tim McCormack regarding the new irrigation system and
how it would work with the existing one. He also noted that the playground equipment layout
were not shown on the plans. Mr. McCormack cautioned the applicants that there are certain
safety standards pertaining to the placement of playground equipment that needs to be addressed.
(Continued next page)
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(DRB #3297 Continued)
MOTION by Steve Prothero to recommend approval of the project to the City Council, subject to
the following conditions:
1. Landscape plan is approved as submitted with all new landscaping material to be properly
irrigated with either the existing irrigation system, or that a new irrigation system be
provided.
2. The top of roof mounted mechanical equipment shall be no higher than the top of parapet
wall height.
3. The roof parapet screen wall to be painted the same color to match the roof the color.
4. Further study adding secondary colors to help break-up some of the elements of the building
(possibly the balcony faces). Submit final color scheme to DRB for approval.
5. Site lighting to be shielded and directed away from adjoining residential properties. Submit
lighting fixture plan and photometrics to DRB for approval.
SECOND: Susan Secoy
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(2) DRB No. 3349
LA Fitness •
Parcel 5, The Block @ City Mills
Terrell D. Nemnich, Architect
New health spa/sports club facility
C-2 (General Business District)
The project was presented by Terry Nemnich -Project Architect, and Debra Warner with the
Mills Corporation. The plans have been revised to addressed the board's concerns from the
previous meeting.
MOTION by Steve Prothero to approve this project subject to the following conditions:
1. Eliminate two (2) Liquidambers in front of the graphic panels along the south building
elevation to maintain a continuous rhythm of tree spacing.
2. Provide a 3 ft. setback for hedge planting adjacent to head-in parking stalls to prevent
vehicles from overhanging into and damaging the hedge plantings. This area to be planted
with either turf, or ground cover such as English Ivy.
SECOND: Susan Secoy
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: Tim McCormack
MOTION CARRIED
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3) DRB No. 3373
Burger King Restaurant
4402 E. Chapman Avenue
Anderson Associates
New restaurant with drive-thru window
C-1 (Limited Business District)
Recommendation to Planning Commission
The project was presented by Richard Anderson -Project Architect, and Bill Carrig with Burger
King Franchise. The project has been revised to address the DRB's concerns from the previous
meeting. The project has also been reviewed by Mr. Bob Torres with the East Chapman
Improvement Committee. Mr. Torres stated that other than the potential increase in traffic that
are often associate with fast food drive-thru restaurants, he would have no objections to the
proposed design of the new building. He would also like to see the use of Palm trees on this site,
as it is aesthetically pleasing and relatively easy to maintain.
The DRB stated that the revised plan is substantially improved over the previous submittal.
However, the cornice details, arch element, and wall pop-out element needs further refinement.
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to recommend approval of the project to the Planning Commission
with the following conditions:
1. Reduce the cornice element to be more proportional to the building's architecture.
2. The arch element needs more depth and header space above in order to read correctly.
However, if further design study reveals that the building lacks the necessary height, then the
arch element may be eliminated entirely.
3. Modify the wall pop-out adjacent to the main entrance along the west building elevation to
have more mass and more in keeping with the mission style architecture.
4. Color palette approved as submitted.
5. Top of roof mounted mechanical equipment shall be no higher than the top of parapet wall.
6. Eliminate middle the band at column. (Retain base the band)
7. Add planter (5 to 7 ft. wide) along drive-thru lane. If planter is 5 ft. wide, then plant with
single row of hedge. If planter is 7 ft. or wider, then plant with double row of hedges.
(Ligustrum minimum 5 gallon at 3 ft. on center)
8. Increase size of Queen palms from 15 gallon to 24 inch box. Queen palms to be aligned with
the right-of--way along the west property line.
9. Replace Australian Willow with California Sycamore (24 inch box).
10. Add tree on the left side of the driveway entrance along Park Street.
11. Add minimum 5 gallon hedge planted at 36 inches on center along east property line.
12. Add minimum one gallon Boston Ivy vine planted at 8 ft. on center at trash enclosure.
13. Submit lighting photometric plans to City for approval. (Plans to have specific attention on
preventing light spillage onto adjoining properties).
14. Prior to issuance of building permits, submit final site, building elevation and landscape
plans to DRB for approval.
15. Submit signage plans to DRB for approval.
SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(4) DRB No. 3377
Lutheran High School
2222 N. Santiago Boulevard
Architects Orange
Expansion of an existing school facility
R-1-8 (Single Family Residential District)
Recommendation to Planning Commission
The project was presented by Darrel E. Hebenstreit with Architects Orange. This project has
been scheduled for public hearing before the Planning Commission on January 18, 1999. The
plans have been revised per the City Traffic Engineering Division to address traffic safety issues.
Two additional building elevations are provided per DRB's request. Except for some minor
revisions, the basic overall design concept remains unchanged. Also provided are the exterior
finish material samples and color palette. The landscaping plans have been revised to address
the comments of the DRB from the previous meeting. The existing Pine trees will not be
retained. The submitted photometric plan and cut-sheets showed that there would be no increase
in light spillage from what currently exists.
MOTION by Steve Prothero to recommend approval to the Planning Commission with the
following conditions:
1. Building elevation plans approved as submitted.
2. Indicate location of roof mounted mechanical equipment and method of screening.
3. Exterior finish materials and color palette are approved as submitted.
4. Add street trees per Department of Community Services requirements.
5. Add trees at median at entrance to the site.
6. Create a Palm tree promenade (symmetrical) in area between the tennis courts.
7. Lighting to coordinate with landscaping.
8. Eliminate the Giejera parviflora (Australian Willow) and replace with a tree selection that
provides more screening along the south edge of the property.
9. Submit final landscaping plans to DRB for approval. (Final plan to indicate size, spacing,
and specie of plant material)
SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(5) DRB No. 3381
Selman Chevrolet
1800 E. Chapman Avenue
Architects Orange
• Expansion of an existing automotive
dealership
• C-2 (General Business District)
The project was presented by Hugh Rose with Architects Orange. The project was approved on
December 7, 1998 by the Planning Commission. This is a final review of the new body shop
office building, prior to submittal of construction documents to the Building Department for
permit issuance.
Steve Prothero stated that the existing 6 ft. high chain-link fence adjacent to the body shop office
is a poor solution, and would like to see the new masonry block wall extended the full length of
the parking lot. Tim McCormack further stated that street trees should be provided along
Chapman Avenue and Tustin Street.
MOTION by Steve Prothero to approve the project, subject to the following conditions:
1. Roof top mechanical equipment shall be properly screened from view. (If equipment is
located towards the center of the building, then the equipment can be maximum 6 inches
higher than the roof parapet height. If equipment is located near the edge of the building,
then the top of the equipment shall be no higher than the top of roof parapet height)
2. Extend the 6 ft. high masonry block wall the full length of the parking lot to the south
property line. (8"x 8"x 16" masonry block with 8" score line to match existing)
3. Provide street trees in existing tree wells along Chapman Avenue and Tustin Street.
SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Tim McCormack,
NOES: Rick Cavecche
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
MOTION CARRIED
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(6) DRB No. 3383
Dan Arguello
604 E. Almond Avenue
Brian Davis
Residential addition in Old Towne
R2-6 (Duplex Residential District)
Recommendation to Planning Commission
The project was presented by the owner Dan Arguello, and Brian Davis. The proposal is to add
approximately 1,275 sq.ft. of living area and a new 2-car garage onto an existing single family
residence located in Old Towne. The project includes the demolition of an existing garage and
carport, and a portion of the existing "non-contributing" residence. The project will required
Planning Commission approval at a later date.
The DRB stated that although the existing residence is listed as anon-contributing structure, new
additions must still comply with the Old Towne Design Standards which states: "Additions to
and rehabilitation of non-contributing buildings shall use the design features of the buildings
original period, and shall be compatible with its surroundings with respect to size and scale".
The proposed project contains many contemporary design features, most noticeably the attached
garage, that are not consistent with the Old Towne Design Standards.
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to continue the project for plan revisions to comply with the Old Towne
Design Standards.
SECOND: Susan Secoy
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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DRB No. 3389
Chevron
1405 W. Chapman Avenue
Greq Hohn
• Signage for an existing carwash facility
• C-2 (General Business District)
(Approved on the Consent Calendar)
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to approve the project subject to the following condition:
1. The P.O.S. (Point of Sale) signs are not approved.
SECOND: Susan Secoy
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Tim McCormack
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(8) DRB No. 3391
Ford of Orange
SEC Main Street & Katella Avenue
AAA Floodlight & Signs
• Signage for a new automotive dealership
• C-R (Commercial -Recreation District)
The project was presented by Ben Horwich with AAA Floodlight & Signs. The proposal is to
install a new freestanding sign with the corporate logo, and several directional signs through out
the site to facilitate pedestrian and vehicular traffic. A sign variance (VAR #2058-98) was
approved by the Zoning Administrator to allow an increase in height of max. 35 ft. for the
freestanding sign, and 5 ft.-4 in. for the directional signs. Also approved was an increase in size
to a maximum of 13 sq.ft. for the directional signs. The freestanding sign would remain at a
maximum of 160 sq.ft. There are no restrictions on the number of directional signs that can be
installed on the site.
Tim McCormack asked if a base with a similar character can be added to the freestanding sign to
match the base of the directional signs?
Mr. Horwich responded that this is a corporate design that they do not wish to modify, as it
would be inconsistent with the signs in other locations.
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to approve the project, subject to the following condition:
1. The color and texture of the base of the directional signs to match the building.
MOTION AMENDED by Tim McCormack as follows:
2. Add a base to the freestanding sign to match the base of the directional signs.
SECOND: Susan Secoy
AYES: Tim McCormack, Susan Secoy
NOES: Rick Cavecche
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: Steve Prothero
MOTION CARRIED
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(9) DRB No. 3392
Villa Modena New 6 unit affordable housing project
NWC Hewes Street & Marmon Avenue R2-6 (Duplex Residential District)
Gary R. Collins & Associates Recommendation to Planning Commission
The project was presented by Gary Collins - Project Architect, and Carol Begin with
Cathcart/Begin Landscape Architects. The proposal is to construct a new 6 dwelling unit
affordable housing project on a 1/3 acre site. The project has been scheduled for Planning
Commission review on February 1, 1999.
Mr. Bob Torres, representing the East Chapman Improvement Committee, stated that he has no
objections to the proposed project, but would like to see an arrangement of Palm trees planted at
the south corner of the site to enhance this project.
The DRB commented on the following:
• The building's architecture is rather subdue and understated.
• The small planters adjacent to the garage door openings at the interior courtyard may not
work because it may conflict with vehicular maneuvering in this area. Perhaps some trellis
element with vine pockets can be provided to help soften the building.
• The selection of trees in the plant palette are rather slow in growth. Need a selection of
evergreen trees that have adequate vertical massing to provide proper screening. The tree
selection should also be compatible with Palm trees.
• The existing public sidewalk is not wide enough to accommodate any street trees.
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to recommend approval to the Planning Commission with the
following conditions:
1. Building elevation plans, exterior finish material and color palette approved as submitted.
2. If the small planters adjacent to the garage door openings at the interior courtyard cannot be
retained due to conflict with vehicular maneuvering, then some type of trellis element with
vine pockets should be provided to help soften the building.
3. Add Palm trees to the plant palette. The Palm trees to be planted in an arrangement at the
southern corner of the project site.
4. Provide a selection of evergreen trees to the plant palette. Tree selection to have adequate
vertical massing to provide proper screening. The tree selection should also be compatible
with Palm trees.
5. Submit final landscaping plans to DRB for approval.
SECOND: Susan Secoy
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(10) DRB No. 3393
Vons
4509 E. Chapman Avenue
Nadel Architects
• Facade remodel of an existing market
• C-1 (Limited Business District)
The project was presented by David Larson with Nadel Architects. The proposal is to update the
building elevations of an existing Vons Supermarket. The project was also reviewed by Mr. Bob
Torres with the East Chapman Improvement Committee, and has stated that he is in agreement
with the proposed design of the building.
The DRB commended the applicants for their efforts to upgrade the existing market as the
building design has become outdated. The board expressed concerns with the location of the
existing transformer in relationship to the new east tower element.
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to continue the project with the following conditions:
1. Submit site plan and detail drawing of east tower element.
2. Submit signage plans to DRB for approval.
SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(11) DRB No. 3394
McDonald's Restaurant and Chevron
105 E. Katella Avenue
RHL Design Group, Inc.
New automotive service station and
restaurant with drive-thru window
C-1 (Limited Business District)
Recommendation to Planning Commission
The project was presented by Don Ikler with Hogle-Ireland, Mark Bookstan with RHL Design
Group Architects, and Debra Marinozzi with McDonald's Corporation. The proposal is to
construct a new automotive service station (Chevron) and restaurant (McDonald's) with drive-
thru. The project has been scheduled for Planning Commission hearing on February 1, 1999.
The board expressed concerns as followed:
• Lack of a planter island at the north end of the center parking aisle.
• Location of transformer adjacent to east driveway entrance at Katella Avenue.
• Directional signs that are unnecessary at the two driveway entrances at Katella Avenue.
• "Point-of-sale" signs exceed square footage allowed by code.
• Selection of tree (Rhaphiolepis indica) that is more of a shrub than a tree with substantial
canopy.
• Street trees not shown on plans.
• Proper screening of roof top mechanical equipment.
• Coordination of the location of parking lot trees and lighting fixtures.
MOTION by Steve Prothero to recommend approval of the project to the Planning Commission
with the following conditions:
1. Replace tree selection (Rhaphiolepis indica) with any of the following; True Green Elm,
Chinese Flame tree, Platanus acerifolia, or Tristania.
2. Add diamond shaped planter and tree at northeast end parking aisle.
3. Recommend use of an alternative variety to Pittosporum tobira "creme de mint, as it is
susceptible to insect infestation.
4. Provide street trees along both Katella Avenue and Glassell Street.
5. Indicate locations of existing trees on site.
6. Relocate transformer to northeast corner of site.
7. The height of roof mounted mechanical equipment, including satellite dish, shall not exceed
the height of roof parapet.
8. Air curtains at the 2 delivery doors shall be located internal to the building.
9. Fire sprinkler risers, if required, shall be located internal to the building.
10. Submit lighting plan to DRB for approval.
11. Freestanding sign is approved with plastered finish and color to match the building.
12. Building wall signs, fuel pump canopy signs and spandrel signs are approved as submitted.
13. "Point-of-Sale" (P.O.S.) signs are not permitted.
14. Eliminate directional signs at the two driveway entrances along Katella Avenue.
15. The ATM machine is not part of this submittal. Plans to be submitted at a later date.
16. Prior to issuance of building permits, submit final landscape plans to DRB for approval.
SECOND: Rick Cavecche
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Tim McCormack, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(12) DRB No. 3395
Barry Sparks New single family residence
521 Carlisle Place • R1-40 (Single Family Residential District)
Anderson Associates
(Approved on the Consent Calendar)
MOTION by Steve Prothero to approve the project subject to the following condition:
1. The 4 California Pepper trees at the rear shall be a minimum of 24 inch box size to help
minimize the potential visual impact of the new residence being constructed relatively close
to the slope.
SECOND: Susan Secoy
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Tim McCormack
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(13) DRB No. 3396
Pacific Bell
745 S. Main Street #120
Signage Solutions
(Approved on the Consent Calendar)
• New wall sign for a retail tenant within a
shopping center
• C-2 (General Business District)
MOTION by Rick Cavecche to approve the project as submitted:
SECOND: Steve Prothero
AYES: Rick Cavecche, Steve Prothero, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Tim McCormack
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED