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10-14-1998 - Minutes TC ��� �5�..�:r�' � �__ .:.. �::�>::::-� E :�::� ��::�:� . CITY O F O RAN G .. �`.-�=�X=::., ����:�;:�.�.�. CITY TRAFFIC COMM15514N ;-,,������:����� M i n utes of a Regu(ar Meeti ng: October 14, 1998 �����������s�����s��������s��������s������s� I. OPENING � A. Flag Pledge �. _ B. Rol1 Cali: Present-Commissioners: D. Yarger,). Fortier, W. Poutsma Absent: F. Sciarra, W. Winthers Present-Staff: H. Bahadori, D. AIlenbach, C. Glass, M. Binning Sgt. B. G reen, P. Then C. Approval Of Minutes: , RECOMMENDATION: APPROVE the CTC Minutes of August 12, 1998 and September 9, 1998, as published by the Re�ording Secretary. MOTION: D. Yarger SECOND: . ). Fortier � AYES; Unanimous � D. Items To Be Continued or Withdrawn None this meeting. Ii. CONSENT CALENDAR 1. Request for the insta�latian of red curb rnarkings on both sides af th� driveway that services the McPherson�Magnet 5chool parking tat at 300 S. Prospect St. Rod H ust, Pri nci�al McPherson Magnet School 333 S. Prospect St. Orange, CA 92869 Oral presentation is based on the written staff report, please refer to your copy. There was no discussion of this request. ACTION: Approve the installation of 20 ft. of red curb markings on both sides of the exit driveway located on the Palmyra Ave. frontage. MOTION: D. Yarger " .. SECOND: �. Fortier � Tape #CTG98.08 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at(714) 744-5536 in this regard,some advance notice would be appreciated. � Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Re�ular Meeting-City Traffic Commission - October 14, 1998 Page 2 AYES: Unanimous II. CONSENT CALENDAR (Continued) 2. Request to remove the southerly 20 feet of red curb from the south side of the entry driveway on Nohl Canyon Rd. that services Nohl Canyon Elementary School. ' Valerie C. Via, Program Directar Released Time Christian Education of Orange P.O. Box 2935 Qrange, CA 92859-0935 Oral presentation is based on rhe written staff report, please refer to your copy. There was no discussion of this request: ACTION: Approve the removal of the southerly 2� ft. of red curb from the south side of the entry dr�veway on Nohl Canyon Rd. that services Nohl Canyon � Elementary School. MC4T�ON: D. Yarger SECC�ND: ). Fortier AYES: Unanimous 111. CONSI DERATION ITEMS 1. �Request for the installation of speed humps on Shaffer �t. befinreen Taft Ave. and � - Meats Ave. Anthony Dunn 1733 �f. Shaffer St. Orange, CA 92865 Oral presentation is based on the written �taff report, please refer ta your copy. Chairrnan Yarger opened the public hearing for the following discussion of this request: Barbara DeNiro, 1118 E. Adams Ave. - 1 live on the by-pass street to the Tustin/Katella intersection. My concerns are just questions and information. Type of hump to be used, safe MPH for travelling over the hump, Fire Dept. concerns about speed humps, who pays for removal if the residents decide they don't want the humps after all, does this tend to devalue property, w��l it create pooling of water, concern for bicycle safety. � Chairman Yarger-The Fire Dept. did take this issue into consideration and have no objection to the installation of speed humps at this location. Perhaps staff can answer some of your other questions. � Tape #C�fG98.08 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at(714) 744-5536 in this regard,some advance notice would be appreciated. � Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting-City Traffic Commission - October 14, 1998 Page 3 Dave Allenbach, Asst. Engineer-Speed humps taper and become pavement level at the edge of the gutter so water is allowed to flow freely. Bicyclists and motorcyclists do not have any difficulty negotiating these humps. Shawn Robertson, 1818 N. Shaffer St. - In favor of the installation of these humps. — N�othrng so far seems to have helped this situatian. I don't believe this will � devatue our property values, if anything I think it will increase our property vatues. Mike Hennessy, 1802 N. Shaffer St. - In favor of the installation of these humps. We`ve done everything you've asked of us, this problem doesn't go away, and we need some help. Tony Dunn, 1733 N. Shaffer St. - In favor of the instalfation of these humps. We can't have a Police officer every day to monitor the street, the nice thing abaut the humps is thafi they are there 24-hours a day, 7 days a week. Chairman Yarger closed the public hearing and returned the item to the Commission for further discussian andfor a mation. Comr�nis5ioner Fortier-We've been working on this issue for a long: time and these res�dents have b�en very pati�nt while we`ve been gaing �hraugh this process. 4n� thing f vuoufd like to say is that these speed humps cost $15,000 and ance t�ey are installed' they're there. If you come back in 6 months and say the humps , are ug(y and we'd Iike them removed, � Commissianer PQutsma - l have a question for staff. Mr. Dunn indicates he has observed traffFc going down th� street at 70 MPH in the evening. For people travelling through the area and don't know there are speed humps on the street and they're going at 70 MPH, I�ow illuminated are these humps at night so they don't cause an accident? Dav� A[�enbach, asst. Engineer �- At each hump location there will be a warning sign with an aduisary spe�d posted below 'rt, on eaeh hump there will be reflectiwe striping simi�ar to what you see on the street. This striping will be in the form of a "chevron" or "arrow head" that gives a direction of flow far traffic. At night, with the headlights on you wiI( be able to see both the signs and speed humps in plenty of time to drive accordingly. Chairrnan Yarger - I have a quesfiion for legal counsel. If someone does speed � � do�vn this street and night not realizing there are speed humps and their car goes out of control and does damage either to a structure or vehicle, what is the city's obligation? � Tape #CTG98.08 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your.review. Pfease contact the Recording Secretary at(714) 744-5536 in this regard,some advance notice would be appreciated. � Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Re�ular Meeting-City Traffic Commission - October 14, 1998 Pa�e 4 Mary Binning, Asst. City Attorney - The speed hump would simply become the traffic 1aw and driving in an unsafe manner for the conditions is certainly not any liability on the City. These have been planned and will be installed appropriately, but as far as an individual matorists inattention and subsequent damage, that would y b€ Iike any other speeding or unsafe driving accident. � Hamid Bahadori, City Traffic Engineer � If speed humps were traffic control devices their regulations would fall under the purview of Caltrans through the California Traffic Control Devices Committee, but they decided these are not traffic contro( devices and they can be regulated at the local fevel. If we install speed humps without any discretionary review by the publicly efected officiafs such as the City Council then your point is valid and we have reason for concern, but these devices are installed in accordance with the guidelines and standards that have been reviewed and approved by the City Council so we will have design immunity like . any other street design. ACTIQN: 1. Approve the installation af speed humps an Shaffer St. betwee� Taft ave. and Meats Ave. and recommend that the City Council approve the same. MOTION: D. Yarger , SECOND: W. Poutsma AYES: Unanimous � 2. Recommend that the City Councif approve an appropriation of approximately $15,000 for the instaflation of the speed humps from Generaf Fund Unappropriated Reserves into the department's Contracfivaf Services Account No. 273-5032-447100. , MOTfON: D. Yarger SECOND: J. Farti�r AYES: U nan i mous � Tape #CTG98.08 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. P{ease contact the Recording Secretary at(714) 744-5536 in this regard,some advance notice would be appreciated. '� Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting-City Traffic Commission - October 14, 1998 Page 5 IIl. CONSIDERATION ITEMS (Continued) 2. Request that a school crossing guard be assigned to the intersection of Taft Ave. and _ Fern St. > Karen Carr '. 2342 E. Parkside Ave. Orange, CA 92867 Oral presentation is based on the written staff repor�, please refer to your copy. The following discussion of this item occurred: Commissioner Fortier: Having been the principal of that school for years and the current principal sitting next to me now, � agree with �our analysis and ! have no objection to denying the request. The alternative of crossing at Taft is a good one and the crossings should occur at that location. ACTIO►N: Deny the request. MOTfON: ). Fortier SECOND: D. Yarger AYES: Unanimous � 3. Request that a school crossing be assigned to the intersection of Carnbridge St. and � Sycamore Ave. Julie Burns, Asst. Principal Cambridge Elementary School � 425 N. Cambridge St. �range, CA 98266 . Oral presentation is based on the written staff report, please refer to your copy. Chairman Yarger opened the public hearing for the following discussion: )ulie Burns, Asst. Principal of Cambridge Elementary School - We have had a real concern about this particular intersection for some time. We have had teachers going out to assist with some kind of crossing control we feel it's very unsafe at that intersection. During the study the Police Dept. was at the intersection and in one day they issued 5 citations for a variety of violations including speeding, ignoring flashing lights on the school busses and for running the STOP sign. Chairman Yarger closed the public hearing and returned the item to the Commission for further discussion andlor a motion: � Tape #CTG98.08 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at(714) 744-5536 in this regard,some advance notice would be appreciated, � Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meetin�-City Traffic Commission - October 14, 1998 Page 6 ACTION: — 1.- Approve the request for the placement of a schooi crossing guard at the J intersection of Cambridge St. and Sycamore Ave. and recommend that the City ; Counci I approve the same. � 2. Recommend that the City Council approve an appropriation of approximately $6,000 annual salary from the General Fund Unappropriated Reserves into the Police Department Crossing Guard Salary Account No. 1 00-4041-41 3 1 02. MOTION: D. Yarger SECOND: J. Fortier AYES: Unanimous � 4. Request for the implementation of "NO PARKING 3-6 A.M." restrictions on both sides of the 1200 blocfc of N. Parker St. Traffic Engineering Division CITY OF QRAI�lGE � Oral presentatron is based on tf�e written staff report, please refer to your copy. � Chairman Yarger opened the public hearing for the following diseussion of this . item. Mike Nyulassie, 1250 N. Parker St. #A - I was here at your previous meeting of )une and )u!y and i submitted a petition of 8 businessmen o�posed to this parking restriction. I'm here again to say that the real problem here was one of the tenants acrass the street from me has too much husiness for his faci(ity, he is now in the process of rrroving. Tt�e street loaks very nice right now. � fot of my custorners drop off their �ars at night and f move them �nto my Iot in the morning when I arrive, I make the repairs and fihen put them back. It hasn't been bad the last couple of months so again I want to oppose this request. Chairman Yarger - Sgt. Green, sinee the Police Dept. is right within that area and ! suspect some of your motors go through there, have you seen much change here in the last couple of months? Sgt. Bob Green, OPD Traffic Bureau - I haven't personally been down the street within the �ast 2 months, I haven't spoken with the Bicycle Team who are actually making a project out of the area, making sure there was code enforcement compl iance, etc. and I haven`t received a report from them. I would have to check into that and get back to the Commission and give you a report on that, I'm not aware of any progress or lack of progress at this time. � Tape #CTG98.08 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at p14) 744-5536 in this r�gard,some advance notice would be appreciated. '� Printed on Recycled Faper Minutes of a Re�ular Meeting-City Traffic Commission - Octoher 14, 1998 Page 7 Hamid Bahadori, City Traffic Engineer-We invited all the businesses in the area to a meeting on 7-30-98 at 2 p.m. and only three people attended, and those 3 people — vuere rn favor of the propased parking restriction. There are very few businesses � that are opposing the restriction, Mr. Nyulassie indicates there are 8 people opposed, the majority of��the businesses in the area are in favor of the parking restriction, at least that's what we have been hearing and that is the opinion that has been relayed to the City. The overwhelming issue is still there, a lot of these businesses are using the parking spaces available to them an-site, illegafly for storage purposes. If the parking problem persists and we do not restrict parking the City will have no choice but to start enforcing our Zoning and Parking Codes and I'm not sure if that's in the best interest of the businesses of the area. Mike Nyulassie -Again, you said the majority. Only 3 peaple showed up that want it done. I submitted a petition of 8 businessmen; 8 opposed to 3 in favor, the majarity rules. Commissioner Fortier -M�ke, do yau haue a place where your cus�omers can drop off their car at night that's not on the street? Mike NyutassEe- t do, but somefiimes it fufl and they need to park on the street. � Commissioner Fortier-How many peopte drop off their cars at night? Mike Nyuiassie - My hours are 14 a.m. to 7 p.m., t Iive in Riverside and to avoid � � � the traffic problems t come in tater in the morning, so a lot of people will drop off their cars at night. Commissioner Fortier - I understand that, but you have a parking lot in the back I presume? Mike Nyulassie - It's Iocked u� with a gate, those are vehicles that I`m warking an. I share a building with three other tenants. The people who ar� complaining ` aren't even here today. Hamid Bahadori, City Traffic Engineer - If I may suggest, the CTC may wish to direct us to work with fihe Police Dept. and take another look at this area and return. this item next month. Commissioner Poutsma-Mike, about the businessman across the street, when is he moving? Mike Nyulassie - He was supposed to move at the end of the month, he's trying to find a place to move into. His business has escalated so much he's outgrown this faci I ity. , � Tape #CTG98.08 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at(714) 744-5536 in this regard,some advance notice would be appreciated. � Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Re�ular Meeting-City Traffic Commission - October 14, 1998 Page 8 Chairman Yarger closed the public hearing and returned the item to the Commission for further discussion andlor a motion. ACTION: Let's look into this a little more and review it again� at our next _ meeting on November 18, 1998. J MOTION: D. Yarger . SECOND: J. Fortier � AYES: Unanimous 5. Request for the installation af an NAII-Way" STOP control on Virage at the main entrance to the Beazer development. Robert L. French, Ed.D., Superintendent Orange Unified School District � 1401 N. Handy St. Orange, CA 92867 Ora! presenta�ion is based on the wri�ten staff report, please refer to your copy. Chairman Yarger opened tl�e pu�li�hearing for the fotlov�ing discussion: Chris Poysa, 226 S. Rosalind St. - ! attend�d the Waln�rt cul-de-sac meeting and part ' of the problem we hav� at Prospect Elementary School is that the entry of the � Beazer track is drrectly across from the kindergarten area. One of t�e a�t�rnatives discussed was having the deve(apment exit go northbound only and st�lt allow the � parents who are coming in to drop off their students at the school so they will be on tl�e east side of Virage and eliminate the cross-f(ow because there is a crossing guard at SpringNirage. Hamid Bahadori, City Tra�fic Er�gineer-The issue was discussed at that meeting and some alternatives were�proposed and subsequent to that meeting we had add�tional meetings wrth Ms. Ward and other members of the Schoof Board and Dr. French, and at our last meeting they felt;it best �erved the school's purposes and the Beazer tract to put in a 3-Way STOP rather than any directional restrictions for the residents coming out of the tract. They were sensitive to the inconvenience this would create for these new residents and they also recognized the enforeement that , directional restrictions are not very effective in the absence of a lot of physical construction and improvements and at this time the request from the School District is to go with a 3-Way STOP and we will see how it yvorks. If the problem is not mitigated then we can look at additional alternatives such as directional restrictions. - Chairman Yarger closed the public hearing and returned the item to the CommissiQn for further discussion and/or a motion: � Tape #CT'G98.08 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review, Please contact the Recording Secretary at(714) 744-5536 in this regard,some advance notice would be appreciated. L� Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting-City Traffic Commission - �ctober 14, 1998 Page 9 Commissioner Fortier- i'm familiar with that area and even through it doesn't meet warrants I agree that for the safety of the kids it's a good idea. There will be crosswal ks there. If it gets to a poi nt where it's not safe we're wi I f i ng to look at it agai n. .— �TION: Approve the insta�lation of an "All-Way" STOP control on Virage at � the main entrance to the Beazer devetopment. . MOTION: �. Fortier SECON D: W. Poutsma AYES: Unanimous 6. Request for street name ehange at variaus locations around uThe Block At Orange", Shopping/Entertarnment Center. . �erry Engen Mills Corporation 1 City Blud. Wesf,#1700 Orange, CA 92868 Mary Binning, Asst. City Attorney - Request to add urgency item to the Agenda. Government Cod� Section 54954.2 which alfows items to be added to the Traffic � Comm'rssion Agenda after the Agenda has been posted if the Traffic Commission . determines by 2/3 vote first that there is a need to take immediate action and second(y that this need arrose after the Agenda was pubEished. Whafi we have before us today is a additional request by the Mil(s Corporation to change another street name. This request was made known to the City after last Thursday when was when these Agendas wer�t out and the stated need is the fact that with the time �rame of the ope�ing of The Block if this item is not on today's� Agenda then it would not be fulfilled before the Grand Opening. In order to �onsider this additional name ehang� which would be changing "�ustEce V1�a�" west af The City Driv� to "Shoppertainmer�t Way". If you wish to add tl�is item to the Agenda then I would ask that you make a motion and vote and in this case it would need your unanimous vote to add this item to the Agenda because there is a need and the need for action came to the Commission's attention subsequer�t to the agenda being posted on 10/9/98. ACTION: Approve addition of urgency item to agenda. M�OTION: D. Yarger � SECOND: J. Fortier AYES: Unanimous a) Current Street Name & Location Proposed Street Name "Justice Way" west of "Shoppertainment Way" � Tape #CTG98.08 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at(714) 744-5536 in this regard,some advance notice would be appreciated. � Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meetin�-City Traffic Commission - Octo6er 14, 1998 Page 10 The City Drive Oral presentation is based an the written staff report, please refer to your copy. Chairman Yarger opened the public hearing for the following discussion of this request: � ')erry Engen, Mills Corp. - The idea of the names is to tie the entrance magazines, and again these are not changing�ustice Way east of The City Drive, this is a means for people to identify the entrance into our Mall, and that is a name that we have actually trademarked as combining shopping and entertair�ment and it ties it to our whole concept and part of the center. Chairman Yarger closed the public hearing and returned the item to the Commission for further discussian andlor a motion: ACTION: Approve the requested street name change to "Shoppertainment Way". MOTION: D. Yarger � SECOND: J. Fortier AYES: Unanimous b) Current Street N�me & Location Proposed Street Name NCity Parkway East"west of "Entertainment Avenue" . The City Drive � Ora! presentatian is based on the writ�en staff reporr, please refer to y�our copy. Chairman Yarger opened the public hearing for t�e following drscussion of this request: . )erry Engen, Mills Corp. - This is another tie to the complex emphasizing the entertainment component of the project. Chairman Yarger clased the public hearing and returned the item �o the Commission for further�diseussran �ndfor a motion: ACTION: Approve the requested street name change to uEntertainment Avenue". MOTION: J. Fortier . � SECOND: W. Poutsma AYES: Unanimous ' c) Current Street Name & Location Proposed Street Name "Metropolitan Drive" between "The Block Drive" The City Drive & Lewis St. Ora! presentation is based on the written staff report, please refer to your copy. Chairman Yarger opened the public hearing for the following discussion of this request: � Tape #CTG98.08 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at(714) 744-5536 in this regard,some advance notice would be appreciated. � Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regutar Meeting-City Traffic Commission - October 14, 1998 Page 11 �erry Engen, Mills Corp. - To give you a little history, most of you may know. When this project was developed many years ago it was developed by Metropolitan Life Insurance which owned the majority of the property around that whole area and therefore the street name they chose was Metropol itari Way. They _ no longer own any of the property surrounding that area, the majority is now � owned by the Mills Corp, and Spieker also owns some of the property. So the name Metropolitan no longer has any relevance for what is there. It's a very short street running from The City Dr. to Lewis St. Being that we are the majority property owner and when the project opens that who(e area is going to be synonymous with The Block, and it really makes sense, in our minds, to tie it to the � center and the area. On top of that there are some traffic concerns that we deal with. We will be activefy marketing this center not anly to local residents, but to people outside the area, and we a(so have a division that will be marketing the center to tourists. As you know last year Orange County had over 38 million tourists and we pfan to capture those tourists dollars back into the city, which really doesn't offer anything to tourists on a significant scafe. What that means� is that you are going to have �eople come into the area outs'rde of Qrange who are unfamiliar and it provides them with immediate recagnifiion. We are working closely with staff and Caftrans on re-configuring the interchange at City Dr. and SR-22 Fwy. and if many of you have trave[ed it and tried to make the weave from the SR 22 heading west to exit at The C'rty Dr. reafize it is a very .dangerous � situatian. We are looking to ameliorate that and improve that situation with the . Ci#y and Caltrans over �he next coupte af years. By renaming the street it does another thing in that it actuafly puts the name of the street on the freeway. What's important about that is when you're bringing people into th� area that have not been there before they're driving and all of a sudden they see something they recognize, that's it. They could be in the fast lane or the middfe fane, and they need to dart across traffic because they don't want ta miss the exit and it's dangerous enough as it is. Recornmendations from our traffic engineers and Caitrans, by changing.that name and getting an�off-rarr�p fihere it �Ilows peopie enaugh notice to get over to the right lane so they're not trying to dart across traffic and potentiatly get into an accident. Those ar� the main reasons why we believe it's an important thing to change the name. Additionally, as you may or may not know, we'tl be generating a little over 3,000 jobs and peop(e wifl not be just from local areas. Larry Summers, Director of Real Estate for Bergen-Brunswig -4000 Metropolitan - The facility we are talking about was built for Bergen-Brunswig, it's our national headquarters and was built in 1984 we've been there since 1985. We wish to express strong opposition to this for the following reasons: 1. {t would require us to notify over 30,000 customers nation-wide. 2. We would have to change State and Federal pharmaceutical licenses involving both the DEA as well as State agencies. � Tape #CTC 98.08 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at(714) 744-5536 in this regard,some advance notice.would be appreciated. � Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting-City Traffic Commission - October 14, 1998 Pa�e 12 3. Notificatian of thousands of our suppl iers. � The cost to da this would be in excess of $1 Million dol{ars. I understand what the Milis Corp. is trying to do. I wouid request that they think of some other alternative. � Chairman Yarger closed the public hearing and returned the item to the Commission for further discussion andlor a motion: Chairman Yarger - ! think this new center is fantastic but I also fe�l that who's on the block first should be heard very strongly. I would hate to think that if I started a business in 1985 and somebody comes in 13 years Iater and wants to change the name of the street, and it's going to cost me in excess of $1 miltion to change my business as far as contact'rng peopfe, State and Federal regulations. I have a problem with changing the name of Metropolitan Drive. Commissioner Fortier - One of the things that ( would like to cafl ta your attention is that changing street names is a serious consideration and it's not something we do in �: caprieious way, and we always look at how it affects the people who are already there. Normally we change names of streefis vtre're looking at individual homes and we a(ways fook to see how many homes there ar� wha wi I I al I f�ave to change their checking accaunts and other personal documents, that is a big consideration. I also have a problem changing this st�-eet name, I see one reason why, but we do have to Iook at the people who are already there and the costs they � will incur with such a name change. Another thing the street has been there, when I think of I�etropolitan Dr. ! don't think of Metropolitan Life, � kn:ow where it is and I don't even live in that area. Commissioner Poutsma - I would like to know what the rules are considering some alternative posting of such a great big facility other than legal off-ramp names. If you driving down the freeway once in a while you'!t see signs that say NVIOLA COLLEGEn or whatever, rs this a possibility other th�n an official name change? Hamid Bahadori, City Traffic Engineer - Caltrans has very strict guideEines about the signs they alfow on their property especially on the freeway. Certain institutions such as colfeges, for example, if they are within 3 mifes from the freeway get signs instalfed. There is another way Caltrans allows for signs to be posted and that is purely a pofitical process. You may have noticed, for example, a sign called uLITTLE SAtGON" on the SR-22 Fwy. There is nothing in the State manuals that allows for something like that, that is done through appeal mostly to Sacr�mento and then at either the Caltrans headquarters level or at a District Director level, they make those decisions; those are purely discretionary. Mills will not qualify under standard guidelines for any permanent name signs on the freeway. We are working with Mills and Caltrans on some temporary identification signs during the construction of the I-5 Fwy. improvements, but those are temporary signs. Their standards do not allow any permanent sign except, if as I said, it can be done � Tape #CTG98.08 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at(714) 744-5536 in this regard,some advance notice would be appreciated. � Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting-City Traffic Commission - October 14, 1998 . Page 13 politically Caltrans can make an exemption then they can install whatever they want. s ACTION: Deny the request to change Metropolitan Drive between The City Drive and Lewis St. to "The Block Drive". MOTfON: D. Yarger SECOND: ). Fortier AYES: D. Yarger,�. Fortier ABSTAIN: W. Poutsma; changed his vote to Aye. Mary Binning, Asst. City Attorney �- I believe that unless you are abstaining for a particular reason you are basically remaining silent on this vote and that may be counted as an affirmative vote. Commissioner Poutsma- 1 fihink 1 would c[assif�r my abstenti4n that I would like ta see the process that the City Traffic Engin�er was tafking about investigated to see if that could be achieved. I can see everybady's �oint of uiew and they are valid, but t don't want to mal�e a vote that could cost somebady $1.5 m�llion to change their address, but on the other hand l can see the safety issue where people are � trying to dart acrass 3 lanes of traffic beca�se, �oh that's the place". That is my � re�son for abstaining and 1 don't know if that qualifies or nat. Mary Binning, Asst. City Attorney -That is not a valid abstention. You are entitled to remain silent. Comrnissioner Poutsma = Then ! think what I'll da is Ieave it to the Mills Corp. to follow that route then to see what they can do, and I wifl change my vote to an Aye. IV. ADMINISTRATIVE I�EPORTS There were no administrative reports at this meeting. V. ORAL PRESENTATIONS Chris Poysa, 226 S. Rosalind - I want clarification on the first Consent Calendar item regarding McPherson Magnet School. I just want ta clarify that you're planning to install the red curb at the "exit" driveway which is on the Palmyra side � Tape #CTG98.08 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at(714) 744-5536 in this regard,some advance notice would be appreciated. T-«� Printed on Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting-City Traffic Commission - October 14, 1998 Page 14 of the property and it exits out into a 2-lane street. How fast can we get it painted? I wish we could use the "emergency" rule. Dave Allenbach, Asst. Engineer - The school address is an Prospect St., however, we were planning on the red curb being installed at the P'atmyra parking lot J d�iveway. We have a 15 day wait in case an appea! is filed, after that it will probably take about a week for it to be installed. There were no other presentations either from the public or Commission. VI. ADJOURNMENT After discussion of today's Agenda items of the City Traf�ic Commission was concluded, and as there were no further requests for action under Oral Presentations, the Chairman adjourned this session of the City Traffic Commission. The next reg,ularty scheduled meeting of the City T�affic �ommission will be Wednesday- NoWember 18, 1998. Respectful(y submitted, CITY OF ORANGE Phyllis Then Recording Secretary . Traffic Engineering Division CITY OF�RANGE DEPARTMENT OF FUBLIC WORKS � TRAFFIC ENGINEERING L�IVfSION 300 E.CHAPMAN AVE. ORANGE CA 92866 PH: (714) 744-5536 FAX: (714) 74469b1 � MINUTES [DISK#20/THENP] � Tape #CTG98.08 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at(714) 744-5536 in this regard,some advance notice would be appreciated. '� Printed on Recycled Paper