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06-10-1998 - Minutes TC rJ �,;�:`::`:,:,..,..'.<.::. .,•;;i�#f t�Y'4!3'�,�� CITY OF ORANGE CITY TRAFFIC COMMISSION Minutes nf a Regular Meeting: June 10. 1998 c�Sc�Sc�St�3c�sc�sc�3c�3c�3c�3c�sc�sc�3c�sc�Sc�3c�3c�3c�3c�3c�3c�3c�SC�3c�Sc�St�3C�SC�3c�3c�3c�3c�3 I. OPENING A. Pledge of Allegiance To The Fiag B. Roll Call: Present - Commissioners: D. Yarger, J. Fortier, J. Gibson, F. Sciarra Absent - Commissioners: W. Poutsma Present- Staff: D. Allenbach, C. Glass, Sgt. Bob Green, P. Then Absent - Staff: H. Bahadori, W. Winthers C. Approval Of Minutes RECOMMENDATION: APPROVE the CTC Minutes of May 13, 1998, as pubiished by the Recording Secretary. MOTION: D. Yarger SECOND: J. Gibson AYES: Unanimous D. Items to be Continued or Withdrawn None this meeting. II. CONSENT CALENDAR 1. Request for the removal of one handicapped parking space in front of 354 N. Shattuck PI. Kenny Iandry 344 N. Shattuck PI. Orange, CA 92866 Ora/ presentation is based on the written staff report, p/ease refer to your copy. Chairman Yarger opened the public hearing for the fol%wing discussion of this request.� Dixie Liebich 354 N. Shattuck PI. - I'm multi-handicapped and have been so all my life, and my condition is not going to improve. I have a handicapped placard for my car, the driveway is too small and I need that space in order to park. �d Tape #CTC-98.05 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at(714) 744-5536 in this regard, some advance notice would be appreciated. 1 Minutes of a Reaular Meetina City Traffic Commission June 10, 1998- Paae 2 Chairman Yar4er - I was on the Traffic Commission at that time and I remember when we approved this blue curb for you. My personal feeling is that we put that in for you in �984 and I think it should remain there, it will not affect anyone else. The person asking to have that removed lives on a different part of the street where there is ample parking available. �- Vice Chairman Fortier - Based on the placard and I saw evidence that there is ample parking available for other people on the street it's not creating a hardship blue therefore I would like to make a motion that we deny the request to remove the curb. ACTION: Deny the requested removal of the handicapped parking space at 354 N. Shattucl�P1. MOTION: J. Fortier SECOND: F. Sciarra AYES: � Unanimous 2. Request for an intersection vision zone at Lemon St. and Sycamore Ave. � Virginia Hardy 469 N. Olive St. Orange CA 92866 �ra/presentation is based on the written staff report,please refer to your copy. There was no discussion of this��equest.• ACTION; Approve the installation of red curb markings for all approaches to the subject intersection. MOTION: J. Gibsan SECOND; J. Fortier AYES: Unanimaus 3. Request for the insta�lation of an additional 38 ft. of red curb for the bus stop located on the west side of Glassell St. south of LaVeta Ave. Bill Batory Orange County Transportation Authority 550 S. Main St. Orange, CA 92863-1584 � Oral presentation is based on the written staff report, please refer to your copy. There was no discussion of this req�est: ACTION: Approve the installation of red curb markings for all approaches to the subject intersection. MOTION: J. Gibson SECOND: J. Fortier AYES: Unanimous »� Tape #CTC-98.05 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at(714) 744-5536 in this regard, some advance notice would be appreciated. Minutes of a Regular Meeting-C�Traffic Commission ]une 10, 1998-Page 3 4. Request for the installation of 30 ft. of red curb on the north side of the exit driveway at 16�0 N. Glassell St. Susan Blackwood . 1650 N. Glassell St., Unit R Orange, CA 92867 � � C3ra/presentation is based on the written staff report, please refer to your copy. There was no discussian of this request: ACTION: Appr+ove the installation of 30 ft. of red curb markings on the north side of subject driveway. MOTION: J. Gibson SECOND; J. Fortier AYES: llnanimous 5. Request for the installation of red curb markings on both sides of the driveways that service Chapmar� University dormitories on Grand St. north of Walnut Ave. Behrooz Esfandiari, Planning Dept. Chapman University � 333 N. Glassell St. Orange, CA 92866 , Oral presentation is based on the written staff report,please refer to your copy.� There was no a'iscussi�n of this request.- ACTION: Approve the installation of 20 ft. of red curb on both sides of each driveway. MOTION: 3, Gibson SECON�D: J. Fortier AYES: Unanimous 6. Request to change the street name of "Sycamore Ave." easterly of Glassell St. to "University Drive". Robert D. Mickelson P.O. Box 932 Orange, CA 92�65-6932 Ora/ presentation is basea' on the written staff report, please refer to your copy. Chairman Yarger opened the public hearing for the following discussion of this request.• AI McQuilkinr Dir. of Facilities for Chapman University - We made this request for a number of reasons. Back when we prepared our Specific Plan in 1988, Sycamore Ave. was designated as our main campus entrance and the subsequent amendments made to the Specific Plan have again identi�ied that as our primary gateway to the campus. �g Tape #CTC-98.05 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at(714) 744-5536 in this regard, some advance notice would be appreciated. Minutes of a Reaular Meeting-City Traffic Commission June 10, 1998 - Page 4 � We have abandoned Sycamore Ave. from what used to be Orange St. all the way to the last property before Glasseli St., which is the convenience store, it's now a private street up to that point. We will be installing a trafFic signal as part of the improvements we are currently making to the campus with the completion of our Business/Technology building, law school and parking structure. That traffic signal will involve�new signage --aiad we feel this is a good way to identify the University. s Chairrr�an Yarger c%sed the public hearing and returned the item to the Commission for further discussion and a motion. Commissioner Gibson - I fully understand the reasoning Chapman University has presented in this request to the Traffic Commission. However, i consider it a self- serving affront to our community. While renaming the 100 east block of Sycamore Ave. to University Drive might be beneficial to some visitors to the University, it has the potential to be detrimenta� to the larger general driving public, particularly visitors unfamiliar with the streets of Orange. z believe it would be a great disservice to a driver, seeking directions to or via Sycarnore , Ave., to be confronted with a street name change and a loss of street name continuity. The University presence is obvious, Appropriate internal University signage could be more positive and realistic than a stree�name change, albeit less ostentatious. In 1872, Alfred Chapman deeded land to the Richland School District, the first school � district in Orange. The school built on the land was on the soutMeast corner of Lemon and Sycarnore, and is so noted in some local histories. The name Sycamore Ave, is a part of the history of Orange, particularly in this school oriented neighborhood. The City's streets and neighborhoods near Chapman University have increasingly been impact�ed by the expansion of the University. If this new name change :request were approved, it conceivably could set a precedent whereby this Commission could be presented with similar requests in the future, i.e., to change the 10Q west block vf Sycamore to University Drive as well. Chapman has purchased individual residential parcels and the former Intermediate School property on the west side of Glassell, and west Sycamore is the north perimeter of the new law school and parking structure. Today's request speci�ically states, in part: "...This change will be a benefit to the Universi and the entire City as it will help direct traffic to the main entrance to the campus and to the parking structure, now under construction." I believe it is important that the CTC not: 1. Create a disservice to the general driving public. 2. Disrupt street name continuity and 100 block identification significance. 3. Set a precedent for similar cosmetic requests. 4. Approve cosmetic requests singularly benefiting - private entities, which are potentially detrimental to the general driving public. �u Tape #C`TG98.05 of this City Traff,c Commission meeting is available fior your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at(714)744-5536 in this regard, some advance notice would be appreciated. � Minutes of a Regular Meeting -City TrafFic Commission June 10, 1998-Page 5 Vice-Chairman Fortier - A couple of observations I have regarding this change. I think this is a unique situation, first of all it does not affect any people on that street and it is basically a private street for the University and secondly as you stated maybe it would confuse people, I think just the opposite. I think it might un-confuse people because if I'm looking for something on Sycamore and I might be driving into there thinking � S�camore is a residential street and now I`m in the Univers+ty area. Whereas if it says "University"I realize it's going into the university and it's no longer Sycamore and if I`m looking for something in the university that may help me; also if I'm looking for a residence on Sycamore and it's not marked as "Sycamore" I think that would also alert me�o that fact. As far as the idea of changing street names that we already have a procedure for that in the city and if someone goes through the procedure we have the . right to listen to it and either say yes or now. I don't see a detriment to the people of Orange I see it as a positive thing. Cornmissioner Gibson - I un�erstand what you're saying. There could be confusion . wh�re they are driving into the University drivew�y. However, I believe it is not fair to the driving pubiic to disrupt continuity of street name and I do believe it wi�ll set a pr�cedent while Chapman does own some pr4perties on the north side of Sycamore presently, as we d�scussed last month regarding the installation of the traffic signal, by the time the parking structure is complete it is entirely possible that they may own all the properties on the north side of Sycamore and there is the chance that �he street would be completel� filled with Chapman properties and they would want to re-name that portion af Sycamore as well, which would furth�r the disruption and continuity of � street name, Commissioner Sciarra - The reques� Chapman University has made is quite common � among all colleges and university's, not only i,� the State of California, but throughout � the United States. Most university's have stree�ts that have been re-named in favor of the college for their particular use. i don't see were any confusion would result from the change to"University Drive". ACTION: Approve the request and change the name of Sycamore Ave. east of Glassell St. to"University Drive". MOTION: F. Sciarra SECOND: J, Fortier . AYES: Sciarra, Fortier,Yarger � NOES: Gibson Chuck Glass, Traffic Engineer - This will automatically go to fihe City Council for a resolution making this change. �� Tape #CTC-98.05 of this City Traffic Commission meeting �s available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at(714)744-5536 in this regard,some advance notice would be appreciated. Minutes of a Regular Meeting-City Traffic Commission June 10, 1998 - Page 6 III. CONSIDERATION ITEMS A. Request for the installation of an "Al1-Way" STOP control device at the intersection of Rancho Santiago Blvd. and Bond Ave. j Ceuncilman Mark Murphy CITY OF ORANGE Oral presentation is based on the written staff report,please refer to your copy. There was no public discussion of this request. The Tra�c Commission had the fo!lowing discussion,: Chairman Yarger - Were the turn counts during the morning hours the same as the PM peak? Dave Allenbach,Asst. Engineer: . Turn Counts 1998 1995 Street/Directi�n A.M. Peak P.M. Peak A.M. Peak P.M. Peak �B Bond . 57 95 65 112 WB Bond 43 23 46 21 NB Rancho Santia o 17� 172 315 225 � SB Rancho Santia o 163 109 1$3 159 � R.ancho Santiago stayed fairly consistent. 3 years ago on the eastbound leg of Bond the 67 vehicles counted in the a.m. peak were primarily turning right; now we observe 13 vehicles�urning ief�, a�td 5 going straight through. 'During the evening hours we again had 13 �rehicles turning left from eastbound Bond onto northbound Rancho Santiago, and 14 vehicles were going through. The fast time we looked at this all of these vehicles were turning right, and in our opinion at that time, the intersection did meet the volume warrant; however, this right-turning move is a non-conflicting move and we elected to put in some additional signing to warn motorists that cross-traffic didn't stop, we put in through lane demarcation �For northbound Rancho Santiago and in hopes that this might help control any right-angle accidents and it has worked fairly well, but we are sti11 averaging 2 correctable accidents per year. � Chairman Yarger - From what you have just said I would think that once the new housing tract is occupied Rancho Santiago Blvd. traffic wil! increase more in the morning with people leaving the tract using Rancho Santiago going towards Chapman or Katella, so the ratio will be more on Rancho Santiago than on Hewes which�will change and we'll probably stop more cars fihere that normal, and my concern is noise and air pollution. The more we stop the cars the more pollution we're going to create. �° Tape #CTC-98.05 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at(714) 744-5536 in this regard, some advance notice would be . appreciated. � Minutes of a Regular Meeting-City Traffic Commission June 10, 1998-Page 7 Dave Allenbach - That is side-effect of any "All-Way" STOP and that is one of the reasons why affected residents within a z-house radius are notified of this type of issue because the noise level can be expected to increase should a "4-Way" STOP be installed. One other point I would also like to make, on the east leg of the intersection (westbound Bond Ave.) morning traffic has increased a little even though the area —� h�sn't built-out any more, I suspect we now have families living�in the area that have more people driving per household and that..would account for a moderate increase on that ieg. Vice-Chairman Fortier - Did I understand you correctly to say that on the P.M. peak that it does meet warrants for the"4-Way"? Dave Allenbach - A few years ago we elected to restrict our STOP warrants for local streets. At that time we increased the amount of entering volume from 100 cars entering the subject intersection to 200 vehicles, and we considered counting both the � A.M, and P.M. peak hours. When we evaluated this intersection 3 years ago the sUbject int�ersection would have met the existing w,arrant at that time, which was 100 vehicles during either of the two peak hours that we count. At the present time an intersection must meet that volume warrant during both the A.M. peak and P.M. peak separately and the subject intersection has met these warrants. Chairman Yarger - Will it meet the warrant since Bond Ave. is considered an arterial highway? ' � Dave Allenbach - No, in this case I elected to use a iocal STOP warrant and my logic for using this warrant is that even though Bond is cl:assified as an arterial it ends at an arterial at Rancho Santiago, it ends westerly of the subject intersection at Prospect St. and there are no plans to extend Bon�d Ave. eith�r easterly Qf the subject intersection, or westerly of Prospect St. In reviewing the overall 24-hour traffic counts on Bond Ave. they have not increased over the last 5 years at aIL The area has remained fairly build- out until this new development is occupied. W�th those factors in consideration I figured that Bond was technically an arterial but it has been residentially developed, the traffic volume isn't expected to increase and so �herefiore I used the local STOP warrant as opposed to the arterial STOP warrant. Chairman Yarger- By State Code it's an arterial highway and therefore it does not meet the criteria. Is that correct? Dave Allenbach -The warrants we use for an arterial consider the highest 8 hour traffic volurne, and I suspect that if we count this for 24 hours and then took the highest 8 hour traffic volumes the subject intersection most likely would not meet the volume criteria. The arterial warrant also calls for 5 correctable accidents in a year and the subject intersection most likely would not meet that. But in considering the surrounding development, in our opinion, it's all residentially developed and we do not anticipate any drastic increases in trafFc on Bond anywhere in the future, so therefore we used the local STOP warrant in this case. �a Tape #CTC-98.05 of this City TrafFic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at(714) 744-5536 in this regard,some advance notice would be appreciated. Minutes of a Regular Meeting-CitxTraffic Commission June 10, 1998- Page 8 Commission Sciarra - The only thing I see here that I'm concerned about are the vehicles traveling eastbound on Bond Ave. approaching Rancho Santiago Blvd. and then attempting to go north will have a very difficult time making a lefi� turn especially with the occupancy of the new tract which wil( increase traffic quite a bit. = C.laairman Yarger - The way that tract is set up there are two entrances; one from ' Hewes and this other one. The only problem with right now that I have is all the traffic having to STOP until the location actually meets the warrants why infect a neighborhood with more air and noise pollutian until it really meets the warrants, and find out if the occupants of this new tract are in until we find out what the new traffic patterns are going to look like, instead of us sitting here and trying to guess about it. ACTION: APPROVE the installation af an "A11-Way" STOP control device at the intersection.of Rancho Santiago Blvd. and Bond �4ve. MOTION: J. Gibson S:ECOND: None - Motion dies. ACTION: DENY the request at this time unti! the new tract is occupied and we can get another reading of the traffic flow. MOTION: D. Yarger SECOND: J. Fortier � AYES: Yarger, Fortier NOES: Gibson, Sciarra ACTION: Continue for 6 months or until when the new tract is occupied and re- evaluate the ir�tersection at that time. Vice-Chairman Fortier - I have a problem witfi this. I know that area very well and I know that coming over the hill that most of th� mo�orists would not use Rancho 5antiago they would use the other end of Hewes to go down Bond, therefore I think most of that traffic is diverted, So I'm wondering where all this trafFic is going that has to make a lef�turn out of there, I could see making a right turn, and I just feel that this is somewhat politically motivated and I don't know that I can justifiably vote for it at this time and I agree with Chairman Yarger that I'd like to wait until this new tract is occupied and we see what those motorists are going to do. MOTION: D. Yarger � SECOND: J. Gibson AYES: Unanimous ��� Tape #CTC-98.05 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at(714) 744-5536 in this regard, some advance notice would be appreciated. Minutes of a Regular Meeting-City Traffic Commission June 10, 1998-Page 9 B. Request for the implementation of "NO OVER NiGHT PARI�NG" restriCtions on the 1200 block of N. Parker St. Gene Borowski 1245 N. Parker St. Orange, CA 92867 > Oral presentation fs based on the written staff report, please refer to your copy. �ice- Chairman Fortier opened the public hearing for the fol%wing discussion of this request: John Spinks, 1214 N. Parker St. - I am strongly �n favor o#'this restriction. We have a couple ofi mechanics on the street and a trailer manufacturer that tie up the street, some of those cars haven't been moved �n months. These guys are working on the cars while they are parked on the street, I almost ran over a mechanic's legs the other day, he slid out from under the motorhome and it does present a problem when they guys are allowed to leave these cars out here all night. Some of the people have moved their trash dumpsters into the street, there is a trailer and truck have been here on the easement for years the parking lots themselves are cluttered, this area was just re-zoned last year as more of a "recreation"area and in the 10 years I have owned the bar(Salty Dog) I don't think i've seen a street-sweeper on that street more than 5 times in 1�0 years, there is no way from them to get down there and keep the streets clean. My busiraess is at th� end of the street and people coming down that street I think it's an eyesore (Submitted phot�graphs taken 10-11 a.m. on June �.0, 1998). Vice-Chairrnan Fortier - You're talking about over night parking, did you notice the "No � PARI4NG 3 A.M. To 6 �.M." which would probably do the same thing as the all night. pa rki ng? � �ohn,Spinks -I was talk�ng about what was Iisted here on the Agenda. Vice-Chairman Fortier - T'm taking �bout the sec�nd recommended Action which would provide for '�NO PARiQNG 3 A.M. TO 6 A.M." every day which would also, in my opinion, would be the same thing as no over night parking. John Spinks -That would be okay. The other thing is that Z-3 years ago I came before you and we implernented "2 Hour" parking in frQnt of my address at 1214 N. Parker; becaus� of the sam� reast�n that Auto Tek has been tying up the street with their cars. They have a large parking 1ot behind their facility but he wi11 park 8-10 cars out in the street and it ties up the parking for everyone else, and he's just using it as a holding yard for the cars he's working on. Gene Borowski, 1245 N. Parker St. - I also have photographs that we taken this morning. My comments are identical as Mr. Spinks in that there is no space available in those particu�ar photographs there is a motorhome that has been parked there at least one month, there is a truck in front ofi our building that has been there 3 days, we've been in the building since October and I don't think the street has been swept in all that time. I notified the Street Dept. about sweeping the streets about 2 months ago and ��� Tape #CTC-98.05 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at(714) 744-5536 in this regard, some advance notice would be appreciated. Minutes of a Regular Meeting-City Traffic Commission June 10, 1998- Page 10 they`re still checking on it. Our employees can't find places to park, we're finding that we have to park on the area that is right in front of the building which is really reserv�d for a "grass" area although we don't have grass but there is no room. I've seen cars parked in there for a week at a time. Once I called the Police Dept. and said there was an abandoned truck from Arizona in front of our building, it`s ridiculous, it loo6cs like a , ..� dump. s Vice-Chairman Fortier-And are there people who are servicing or fixing these cars? Gene Borowski -When I lefi�, one of the cars was up on jacks in the street being worked on, and I think tnat's against Code. Quite honestly I would like to see the "No ovER rv1�HT" parking restriction, if it's over night we know there won't be any cars, if it's 3-6 A.M. who knflws what it wi I I be. Vice-Chairman Fortier - We can enforce that so it will have the same measure as the bver night restrickion. Gene Borowski - I understand that, I'm going on the principle that we will ticket the cars if we can`t sweep the streets, and I don't think I've seen one ticket on any car up there. Vice-Chairman Fortier - Well if we have an ordinance that would be 7 days a week that would not only be for street sweeping it would be for every day and we could �enforce that. � Mike N�,ulassie�1250 N. P�arker - I have a petition by 8 businessmen on the street that oppose th�s request. There is an �ordinance about working on vehicles in the street of 72 hours,that is true and we have done it in the past we'11 tr�r to stop. The motorhome you see in thes� photographs is mine, it was dropped off last night. I have customers bringing vehi�cles in at al� times. They drop it off during the night and I work on i� in the morning I either take it into my parking lot or leave it out in front. The problem is tha�the business ne�ct to me does not have their employees park in their parking lot, all my employees park in mine. I've been in this facility for 10 years, before that I was on Batavia St. for 12 years, An automotive repair facility uses a iot of space due to the nature of the work. The 72 hour ordinance is fine, if we are parked on the street in excess of that time we have received a citation, it's happened in the past and I've had 3 vehic�es towed for no registration. Vice-Chairman Fortier- What is the nature of these other businesses? Mike Nyul�ssie - 2 auto repair, trailer manufac�urer, bar, furniture, We should all be neighbors and try to get along with this, if there is a problem about moving vehicles all they have to do is come and talk to me and we'll move them. Vice Chairman Fortier- Why would the other businesses be opposed to having the 3-6 A.M. or over night parking restrictions. °� Tape #CTC-98.05 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review, Please contact the Recording Secretary at(714) 744-5536 in this regard, some advance notice would be appreciated. Minutes of a Reaular Meeting-City Traffic Commission June 10, 1998-Paae 11 Mike Nyulassie - Some of my customers have early morning hours, they leave cars in the street. Vice-Chairman Fortier - That's your business, what about these others that have signed this petition? '� Mike Nyulassie - JMI does home restoration and if we open up to park on �he front people park in our parking lot, there`s been a real problem with p,arking there�always h�s been. As for street sweepers we haven't seen one in ten ye�rs. I have a spot in front of my driveway that is so deep everything gets trapped in it, I've tried to get it �leaned up but nnbody wants to do it. The Potice enforce the 72 hour parking here. John Spinks.- There is a moving company (owned by the same people that have the bean bag furniture store on Katella) that brings trucks over on a Friday and park them � in the cui-de-sac that joins the City Corporation �ard and they stay there 3-4 days at a time. They dump their trucks there because they don't want to park them in �their own parking lots overnight and weekends, so they`re clear. There are several companies that h�ve done this before. I've had arguments in the past w�th guys that have done this because it really ties up my parking. A year or two ago I requ�sted the '2 Hr.` parking which works out well, but it's not being enforced, there are people parked in there all the time. Mike has a iarge yard and it's pretty well confined, but Tom at Auto Tek parked his wife's car in my parking lot for 2 days and he has his own parking lot in the back of his building. The cars are :lined up ali the way down his driveway and he � can't even get in his own driveway and he parks the cars that are waiting for work out on the street. It's a very limified street and there's not room for that. It`s his business and his customers he should provide parking for�hem. Gene Borowski - Mike mentioned that we ha�e a parking lot for our employees. We manufacture windows and doors. We have a dr�veway; however, the Fire Dept. insists that if they need to get back to our warehouse that driveway be clear. We're kind of violating it by p�arking 2-3 cars there because there is no room on the street. Auto Tek dumps cars on the street all the fiime. We've spoken with Tom requesting that he not do this and he always says "yeah, we'll leave the space open", and that lasts a week maybe and then he's right back at it again. They even park in our driveway by a door that qpens which is infuriating. Our fork-lift cara't access our facility t�ecause they have to stop and go find the driver of the car and Tom got a1l over my boss because I approached one of his customers to move the car out of our driveway. I don't think cars should be lei�on the streets for an extended period of time. �ice Chairman Fortier c%sed the pub/ic hearing and returned the item to the Commission for furt`her discussion and a motion. Commissioner Sciarra - From what I'm hearing possibly the 'NO PARI�NG 3-6 A.M.' should work, I think we shouid give it a try and see what happens before we go into a 'No ovER NiGHT PARI�NG'which I don't care for. �° Tape #CTC-98.05 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review.� Please _ contact the Recording Secretary at(714) 744-5536 in this regard, some advance notice would be appreciated. Minutes of a Regular Meeting-City Traffic Commission ]une 10, 1998- Paae 12 Commissioner Gibson - I'd like to ask staff if ticketing does not seem to be effective at times would attaching"row AwAY'zone to the time restriction be of any benefit? . Dave Allenbach, Asst. Traffic EnQineer - It would. I'm not exactly sure if we would have to have an ordinance on that or not but if you add "row AwAY' to the time limit � restriction it would certainly be effective. y Vice Chairrnan Fortier - It sounds to me that there is a real problem out there, Parking on the street is for customers to com� and go, it's not there to be used by one person and the only way I can see to mitigate these circumstances is to put some type of restriction on the street. I will make a motion that we approve the �NO PARIQNG 3 A.M. To 6 A.M.' and if that doesn't work maybe we need to come back and look at other methods. , ACTION: DENY the implementation of"NO OVER NIGHT PARIQNG"restrictions. MOTION: Fortier SECOND: Sciarra AYES: Fortier, Sciarra, Gibson ABSTAYN: 1�arger ACTION: APPROUE the installation of "NCl PARIQNG 3 A.M. - 6 A.M." and also have staff investigate having"TOW AWAY"by ordinance. MOTION: F. Sciarra SECQND: J. Fortier AYES: Fortier, Sciarra, Gibson �1BSTAIN: Yarger SQt. Bob Green, OPD Traffic Bureau - I have a number of concerns. First, is the street posted for'No Parking For Street Sweeping'? I hear there are a lot of vehicles parked down there violating the 72 hour OMC, has anyone called us? If so, I am not aware of it and now that I am aware of it I wi11 be taking care of it and addressing that situation with rny Parking Control Officers. I'm also going to be addressing situations such as mechanics working on the vehicles and other parking concerns with the Code Enforcement and advising them of the concerns. I will meet w�th 3ohn Loertscher of � the Street Dept. and see why this street has not been swept, and I wi11 also inform our Parking Control Assistants who follow the street sweeping vehicles, I will assure you that if a sweeper is in that area we will have someone following it to cite the violators. This is tf�e first I fiave heard of major complaints on this street, I am aware of scattered complaints over the last 6 months but nothing to the degree of what I see in this photo - and what I've heard in your testimony before the Commission today. We will look into it and I will have someone working on it diligently by the end of this week or the first of next week at the latest. Chairman Yarger-Then you will see to it that the Street Sweeping signs are up? �u Tape #CTC-98.05 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at(714) 744-5536 in this regard, some advance notice would be appreciated. Minutes of a Regular Meeting-City TrafFic Commission June 10, 1998 - Paae 13 SQt. Bob Green - I'm going to meet with the Street Dept. and find out if there is a reason the street is not swept and we will address this issue. I will also find out why the dumpsters are consistently out on the street. IV. ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS y ` �, There were no Administrative Reports this meeting. VI. ORAL PRESENTATIONS Commissioner Sciarra has concerns about buses on Chapman eastbound on the fiar side of Tustin St., in front of Selman Chevrolet has a potential for rear-end type accidents. Recording Secretary advi:sed the Comrnission that the normal meeting date of 11-11-98 falls on a federal holiday and asked the Commission if they would like to re-schedule or cancel that meeting. The Commission agreed to re-schedule for November 18, 1998. VI. AD�OURNMENT Af�er discussion of al1 Agenda items of #he City Traffic Commission was concluded, and there being no further requests for action under Oral Presentations, Chairman Yarger , moved for the adjournment of �his session of the City Traffic Commission to it's next regular meeting. The n�xt regul�rly scheduled meeting of the CTC will be Wednesday- August.i2,1998. Respectfully submitted, CITY OF ORANGE , Phyllis Then Recording Secretary Traffic Engineering Division CITY OF ORANGE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WQRKS , IRAFFIC ENGINEERING DIVISION 3OO E. CHAPMAN AVE. . ORANGE, ca 9286fi PN: (714)744-5536 Fax: (714) 744-6961 � JUNE MINUTES [DISK#ZO3 �� Tape #CTC-98.05 of this City Traffic �ommission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at(714) 744-5536 in this regard,some advance notice would be appreciated,