10-21-2009 DRC MinutesCITY OF ORANGE
DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE
MINUTES -FINAL
October 21, 2009
Committee Members Present: Adrienne Gladson
Bill Cathcart
Tim McCormack
Craig Wheeler
Joe Woollett
Committee Members Absent: None
Staff in Attendance: Ed Knight, Assistant Community Development Director
Robert Garcia, Associate Planner
Chad Ortlieb, Senior Planner
Sonal Thakur, Assistant Planner
Sandi Dimick, Recording Secretary
Administrative Session - 5:00 P.M.
Chair McCormack opened the Administrative Session with a review of the Agenda.
Ed Knight, Assistant Community Development Director, stated there were no changes to the
Agenda or any policy or procedural information to discuss.
There was no further discussion.
Committee Member Gladson made a motion to adjourn the Administrative Session.
SECOND: Bill Cathcart
AYES: Bill Cathcart, Adrienne Gladson, Tim McCormack, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: None
ABSENT: None
MOTION CARRIED.
Administrative Session adjourned at 5:27 p.m.
Regular Session - 5:30 P.M.
ROLL CALL:
All DRC members were present
PUBLIC PARTICIPATION:
Opportunity for members of the public to address the Design Review Committee on
matters not listed on the Agenda.
There was none.
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CONSENT ITEMS:
All matters that are announced as Consent Items are considered to be routine by the
Design Review Committee and will be enacted by one motion. There will be no separate
discussion of said items unless members of the Design Review Committee, staff, or the
public request specific items to be removed from the Consent Items for separate action.
1) APPROVAL OF MINUTES: None
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AGENDA ITEMS:
Continued Items: None
New Agenda Items:
Committee Member Wheeler stated he had questions on the item and asked that the item be
moved from a Consent Item to an Agenda Item.
2) DRC No. 4437-09 -CITY PLAZA
A proposal to implement a sign program for the office building.
1 City Boulevard West
Staff Contact: Robert Garcia, (714) 744-7231, r~arcia(~cityoforange.org
DRC Action: Final Determination
The presentation of the Staff Report was waived.
Public Comment
None.
Chair McCormack opened the item for discussion to the Committee.
Committee Member Wheeler stated on page 3 of the sign program, there was a main sign type A
and a sign type B, and one below that, and he asked what that was?
Applicant, Garrick Batt, address on file, stated that appeared to be a typographical error.
Committee Member Wheeler stated on sign type 4, there were two different quantities listed, 2
and 4.
Mr. Batt stated it was a typographical error; it was for the building identification signage and
there would be two of them. It appeared some of the descriptions had shifted down.
Committee Member Wheeler stated on pages 16 and 17, on page 16 below the horizontal bar on
the top it was listed as quantity 5 existing and that referred to the eyebrow signs and on the next
page it was listed as quantity 6. Although the Staff Report mentioned that at no time there shall
be no more than 2 eyebrow signs on the south elevation and currently there was the optometry
sign on that elevation, he wanted to ensure only one other sign was added until that sign went
away.
Mr. Batt stated there would be a maximum of two signs on any elevation. He reviewed the plans
with Committee Member Wheeler.
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Associate Planner, Robert Garcia, pointed out where it was noted on the plans that there shall be
no more than two signs per elevation.
Committee Member Wheeler stated on both the eyebrow and top of building signs, there were
three different types, A, B and C. Type A was a flush mount, and options B and C would be on
stand-offs. He stated from a design perspective, to have both flush-mounted and stand-offs
would be a bit cluttered; he suggested eliminating the flush-mounting and using the two different
types of stand-off signs.
Mr. Batt stated there were a number of reasons why they had listed those types. On the eyebrow
level, the wall was a 36" thick of solid concrete with rebar reinforcements, and on neon signage
that mounting required running conduit within the wall space. The difference between aflush-
mount installation and astand-off mounted sign were the size of the bolts that held the signage to
the wall surface, as well as the number of bolts that held the sign, and the depth of the pin
became a problem.
Committee Member Wheeler asked if Mr. Batt was stating there were constraints, due to the wall
construction, that would make it impossible to place apin-mounted sign in some locations?
Mr. Batt stated that was correct. He felt the best thing to do was to leave the determination of the
installation at the point of permitting, and if it appeared that Staff wanted another type of sign in
a specific location, which would be the point where that determination would be made. He had
not wanted to presume beyond the Design Review Committee, however, they were in a
technological juncture and they would be making a leap into a type of sign consistency that the
Committee Members might be asking for. Technology being what it was today, they had offered
different mounting capabilities.
Committee Member Wheeler asked what signs would be mounted on what faces of the building?
Mr. Batt stated on the face of the building that faced the 22 Freeway, for example, the thickness
of that wall ranged between 26"-38" in thickness and they had listed that as a front illuminated
sign.
Committee Member Wheeler stated the question was whether they would be using flush-
mounting or stand-offs. It was his opinion that if it could be done, it would be better to have all
flush-mounted or all stand-offs. The shadow patterns would be different and the streaking from
dirt would be a factor.
Mr. Batt stated given Staff's involvement in planning as well as the property manager's
involvement, they would ensure whatever sign type was used on the fascia that the next sign use
would match in type. On opposite sides of the building, when the optometry sign left, whatever
sign type was installed there would determine what the next sign type would be.
Committee Member Wheeler asked if the signs would be the same on the eyebrow side and at
the top of the building?
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Mr. Batt stated there was an approximately 18-story separation and he could not state what they
would choose. The building top sign had a different purpose than an eyebrow level sign. The
top of the building sign would have much fewer words and a better use of a logo and something
that would be viewed from a much greater distance. The eyebrow sign would be more of a
destination piece.
Committee Member Wheeler suggested that each side of the building should have consistent sign
mountings, whether flush-mounted or on stand-offs.
Mr. Batt stated that was a workable solution.
Chair McCormack asked how large were the building top signs?
Mr. Batt stated they were 8' x 50', for a total maximum of 400 square feet.
Chair McCormack asked for an explanation of lighting. On the site signage he asked if those
were internally lit?
Mr. Batt explained the different lighting for the signs and stated the site signage was not lit; there
was ground lighting. He had not believed there were any tenant names listed on any of the
ground signs; those were more for directional usage.
Committee Member Gladson stated she was generally okay with the sign program as presented.
Committee Member Wheeler made a motion to approve DRC No. 4437-09, City Plaza, subject
to the conditions contained in the Staff Report and with the following condition:
1. For each elevation of the building, all the signs on the eyebrow for that elevation shall
either be on stand-offs, or pins/flush-mounted to the building and the top of building
signs shall all be the same. Each elevation may be different in mounting from each other,
but each elevation shall be consistent to that elevation.
SECOND: Joe Woollett
AYES: Bill Cathcart, Adrienne Gladson, Tim McCormack, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: None
ABSENT: None
MOTION CARRIED.
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3) DRC No. 4398-08 - FLAPPY JACK'S
A proposal to expand an existing one-story restaurant and provide associated parking lot
and landscape improvements.
2848 N. Santiago Boulevard
Staff Contact: Sonal Thakur, (714) 744-7239, sthakur(a,cityoforange.org
DRC Action: Final Determination
Assistant Planner, Sonal Thakur, presented a project overview consistent with the Staff Report.
Applicant, Larry Gibson, address on file, stated they were stripping all the wood off of the
building and attempting to clean up the existing surfaces. It was a difficult building. They
would be using the same materials, same profile, same mechanical well, and they had kept the
glazing and fenestration. One place they would have some difficulty was in matching the tile; it
was impossible in many ways.
Ms. Thakur stated she had provided the Committee with an email from the landscape architect to
give them an idea of the landscape concept and what plant species would be used. There would
be more landscaping added than what currently existed.
Mr. Gibson stated they would be tearing out everything, with the exception of two of the street
trees.
Public Comment
None.
Chair McCormack opened the item for discussion to the Committee.
Committee Member Wheeler handed out a list he had prepared with his concerns and questions
on the proposed project. He asked what the roof pitch was?
Mr. Gibson stated it was 4 to 12.
Committee Member Wheeler stated on the overhangs it appeared that they would be reduced to
about 3'.
Mr. Gibson stated the overhangs would remain consistent with what existed on the building.
Committee Member Wheeler stated they would be getting rid of all the wood and he asked if that
included the soffits?
Mr. Gibson stated yes, that was correct.
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Committee Member Wheeler stated the elevations showed that the mechanical equipment was
resting on the roof which was the same height as the fascia, and they had prior experience on the
Design Review Committee where mechanical equipment was visible.
Mr. Gibson stated the parapet wall would be the same and higher than the equipment; he pointed
to the plans and reviewed that with the Committee.
Committee Member Wheeler stated he would propose a condition that the mechanical equipment
not be any higher than the parapet.
Mr. Gibson was agreeable to that.
Committee Member Wheeler asked if the new dining room addition would include roof-mounted
lighting?
Mr. Gibson stated that was not currently shown on the drawings, mostly because he had not liked
it. There was nothing to illuminate on the roof.
Committee Member Wheeler suggested if he had roof-mounted lighting that it be similar to what
existed.
Mr. Gibson stated he felt that some of the lighting on the roof was to help illuminate the parking
lot, as there was not a lot of lighting in the parking lot. He felt there was not a need for roof
lighting.
Committee Member Wheeler stated he had checked the security requirements for the new roof
ladder and a cover was required that would go up to 10'. He asked if the sign would be refaced
or would the applicant be bringing in a sign package?
Mr. Gibson stated the pylon would be relocated and the sign would be different; the property
owner would need to return for a sign review.
Ms. Thakur stated there were two pylons.
Mr. Gibson stated they would reface the one that he referred to as a monument sign that faced
Santiago.
Ms. Thakur discussed the sign information with the applicant.
Committee Member Gladson stated a whole sign program would potentially be brought back.
Committee Member Wheeler stated the new restroom extension came out at 4' 2", but his
eyeball took it that the overhang was only 4', and he wanted that to be checked.
Mr. Gibson stated he had checked that feature and it was 4' 2", and at the rear of the building the
same type of roof existed for the walk-in cooler.
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Committee Member Wheeler suggested that the low pitch roof would not be compatible and that
instead the low form of the entry be mimicked, with the flat roof and a bit of a parapet around it.
Mr. Gibson stated he had wanted to change the entry, as it had not stated "entry".
Committee Member Wheeler stated it would be less noticeable as an entry with the brick
removed as that was a noticeable feature. He suggested using a different color for the form.
Committee Member Woollett stated he wanted to be certain he understood that the parapet would
be higher, but the other portion of the roof would remain the same. In reviewing the roof plan,
the flat roof inside appeared to have a 1/2" slope; in fact, there was a portion which he pointed to
on the plans, and asked if that triangular area was going to be sloped up with the roof.
Mr. Gibson stated that was the cricket portion that was behind the parapet. He reviewed the
plans with Committee Member Woollett.
Committee Member Woollett stated the applicant had mentioned a problem with matching of the
color; the the had a color applied on top of it. They could try to wash it and attempt to match it.
On the site plan there was a steel structure.
Mr. Gibson stated that was not on the property. It looked like a temporary storage shed.
Committee Member Woollett stated there were windows along the south elevation and quite a
few windows on the west; he felt there should be some trees for shading along those areas. He
asked if there would be blinds inside the building? All winter long the sun would shine in.
Mr. Gibson stated all three of those sides received a lot of solar heat.
Chair McCormack stated one of the biggest things on the site was an area, which he pointed to
on the plans, that appeared there was a 3'-4' drop and reviewing the elevations there was a chain
link fence along the property line; he was not certain anything could be done about the fence. He
had gone out to the site and there was a retaining wall that was not on the drawings; what was
occurring was a drop and his biggest design issue was how to deal with that. From a design
perspective the trees provided a skyline type of benefit and not an immediate shade issue, but his
thoughts were that the Eucalyptus tree should remain. There could still be other trees below
them to provide shade.
Mr. Gibson stated he would be happy to leave the trees. He thought they had to be removed
because they were past their maturity.
Chair McCormack stated he felt they were perfect. He had looked at their root zone and how
they were being maintained and would probably flourish even more with regular watering.
There were two other trees that might need to be removed as they were providing some root
issues. He asked if an area, which he pointed to on the plans, was all new concrete?
Mr. Gibson stated there would be some repair and due to the elevation changes there would need
to be some stairs and possibly hand rails added.
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Chair McCormack stated on the loading zone, it was in the front entry.
Ms. Thakur stated it was a code requirement; the site had not had a loading zone.
Committee Member Gladson stated they would need the loading zone to comply with code.
Chair McCormack suggested keeping the Eucalyptus trees and to remove the other trees they had
discussed. On the handicap access he was noting a zero curb, but felt there needed to be a ramp.
Mr. Gibson pointed out where the ramp existed. He stated it was zero where the handicap access
began. They would have wheel stops as well.
Chair McCormack suggested using a curb to line up as a wheel stop.
Mr. Gibson stated he had liked that idea, however, the complaint from owners was there would
be oil and drippings from car radiators that would stain the sidewalk and no way to clean them.
Committee Member Cathcart pointed out an area that should have a tree. He stated it concerned
him that Coast Live Oak and Pepper trees had been mixed.
Chair McCormack stated he could not extract a landscape concept from the plans.
Committee Member Cathcart stated in reviewing the three planting areas, there was not a theme.
There was a little bit of this and that and it concerned him.
Chair McCormack stated generally there would be a theme of Eucalyptus, Tristania conferta,
Evergreen, and deciduous types of plantings in between. He felt the Coast Live Oak would not
work in the space.
Committee Member Cathcart stated the Coast Live Oak would not like anything planted
underneath them and it would be difficult to get anything to survive under the Pepper tree.
Committee Member Gladson stated the planting beds would wind up being empty.
Chair McCormack suggested the applicant choose a tree that would fit, such as an Elm or a
Tristania conferta; something that would have a canopy and offer shade. He had not seen a shrub
noted anywhere, which was a medium hedge. The one thing he would want to see, and he was
leaning toward a continuance of the project, would be to review how the freeway edge was
handled.
Committee Member Wheeler stated rather than having the item continued that they ask that the
landscape plans be brought back to the DRC prior to permits being issued.
Chair McCormack stated the project could be bifurcated.
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Committee Member Gladson stated with the comments heard from her colleagues it was
encouraging and she saw the project as a destination local. She had never heard of a Flappy
Jack's Restaurant, and it could be something really quirky and fun with a neat appeal. There
could be some creative signage that could add to the design. Over the course of the last year they
had seen the gas station, and she was not certain that project had started and Chair McCormack
had initially had problems with the gas station and the shared property. She was encouraged to
see some activity occurring on that edge of Lincoln. The former Spires on Katella at Main,
which was called the Katella Grill, had evolved with their own cachet and it would be interesting
to see how the proposed project evolved.
Mr. Gibson stated they could use some input from the City on landscaping.
Chair McCormack stated he could list some of those suggestions:
1. To address the planting and grading issue along the freeway frontage.
2. Above all, to create a landscape concept and not just be a generic landscape.
3. To apply the proper shading and screening along the freeway.
4. Suggested only: the removal of two Palm trees vs. removal of all the Palm trees; save
the Eucalyptus trees and remove the Ficus trees.
5. Show the existing off-site trees in order to visualize how they impacted the design
and suggested that the Oak trees not be in such a confined space, or to use another
tree.
6. Simplify the design and use only one type of tree.
7. The suggestion for accent plants would be to use the Mandina Harbor dwarf and the
Limonium. Use the Coffeeberry, for the low growing; and to use a medium hedge.
Mock Orange was a mass, Silverberry was a mass, and Texas Privet was a clipped
hedge.
Committee Member Wheeler asked if the trash enclosure would be just block and what type of
gate would be used?
Mr. Gibson stated the enclosure would be stucco to match the building and the gate would be on
posts so they would not be torn from the masonry.
Chair McCormack stated he was discussing the landscape with the other Committee Members
and he suggested not using the Coast Live Oak, but to use the Pepper tree if it would fit into the
applicant's landscape theme.
Mr. Gibson asked if the root system on the Pepper tree would be fine?
Committee Member Cathcart stated they would be fine.
Committee Member Wheeler made a motion to approve DRC No. 4398-08, Flappy Jack's,
subject to the conditions contained in the Staff Report and with the additional condition that a
Landscape Plan return to the DRC prior to building permits being pulled and with the following
additional conditions:
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1. The roof overhang shall be the same dimension horizontally as the existing overhang.
2. The new trash enclosure shall have a stucco exterior to match the building.
3. The walk-in cooler be designed with a parapet roof form to match the parapet roof form
of the current existing entance.
SECOND: Joe Woollett
AYES: Bill Cathcart, Adrienne Gladson, Tim McCormack, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: None
ABSENT: None
MOTION CARRIED.
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4) CUP No. 2766-09 - VERIZON WIRELESS
A proposal to modify an existing wireless facility located on an existing Southern
California Edison tower. The proposal calls for four (4) new panel antennas to be
mounted on the SCE tower.
8030 E. Serrano Avenue
Staff Contact: Robert Garcia, (714) 744-7231, r~arcia(a,cityoforange.org
DRC Action: Recommendation to the Planning Commission
Committee Member Wheeler suggested that the item could be approved without discussion.
All Committee Members concurred with the suggestion.
Public Comment
None.
Committee Member Wheeler made a motion to recommend approval to the Planning
Commission of CUP No. 2766-09, Verizon Wireless Facility, subject to the conditions contained
in the Staff Report.
SECOND: Adrienne Gladson
AYES: Bill Cathcart, Adrienne Gladson, Tim McCormack, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: None
ABSENT: None
MOTION CARRIED.
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5) DRC No. 4383-08 - AT&T WIRELESS SITE NO. 000191A
A proposal to co-locate 11 antennas on an existing Southern California Edison power line
tower and to construct a mechanical equipment enclosure under the tower to support the
antennas.
East of Feather Hill Drive, North of Meats Avenue
Staff Contact: Chad Ortlieb, (714) 744-7237, cortlieb a,cityoforange.org
DRC Action: Recommendation to the Planning Commission
Senior Planner, Chad Ortlieb, presented a project overview consistent with the Staff Report.
Applicant, Gil Gonzalez, address on file, stated he wanted to address a few things. With regard
to the requirement for storing within the enclosed area two gallons of paint, in order to deal with
graffiti, he had forwarded that request to SCE and SCE would not allow any hazardous materials
to be stored on site. AT&T had an 800 number for graffiti removal and they would provide that
to Staff with a condition that graffiti would be removed within 48 hours of AT&T being notified
of the problem. He stated on Item No. 4 requiring that a rumble strip and additional gravel be
added, SCE had graded an entry access to the site. AT&T would visit the site once every six
weeks and there would be only one truck that would enter the site and he was not certain how
much of an impact that would be in contributing to the mud on City streets, and he requested that
the request be removed from the conditions. On Item No. 5 requiring AT&T to provide evidence
from the property owner approving access to the site, there was an easement on the site from
SCE and AT&T was attempting to gain clarification on that, and to gain the access permission
from SCE. He wanted to add to the condition: permission from the property owner or evidence
from SCE that AT&T would be allowed to access the site through the easement.
Committee Member Gladson asked if he wanted to change the wording on Condition No. 5?
Mr. Gonzalez stated that was correct. The Condition currently read that the applicant shall
produce evidence to the Director of Community Development that permission from the property
owner had been granted. There was an SCE easement and he believed through the easement that
AT&T would be allowed to access their site through the SCE easement. He was in the process
of gaining that information and documentation, rather than going to the property owner. Either
clear evidence from SCE or permission from the property owner would be obtained. Lastly, they
were concerned with the request for a lattice cover. What was being proposed was a chain link
cover that would not be seen from the public view; he reviewed the proposed plans with the
Committee.
Mr. Ortlieb stated regarding Condition No. 4, SCE created the right-of--way through their
easement to the adjacent property as well as their own property. If grading were to occur that
lead to Shadow Ridge Lane, that would essentially move or wipe out the rumble strips at that
location.
Mr. Gonzalez stated there would only be access to the site every six weeks and he felt there
would not be a problem with contribution to the debris or mud on the street.
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Public Comment
None.
Chair McCormack opened the item for discussion to the Committee.
Committee Member Woollett asked what a rumble strip was?
Mr. Ortlieb stated it was a piece of metal with other pieces of metal in it. When tires rolled over
it, the mud would be knocked off. Instead of having utility vehicles track mud onto the City
streets, the rumble strips would take a huge accumulation of mud off the tires before they hit the
streets.
Mr. Gonzalez stated there was a lot of gravel in place at the entrance of the site and they were
okay with that. Anything that was permanent might create a problem with the property owners.
There was a 30' sliver of private property directly at the entrance.
Mr. Ortlieb stated in coming up the side there was a parcel that went up hill to a property owner
that had front access from another street. The backyard dropped down to Shadow Ridge Lane
and the vehicles would need to cross over that property to gain access to the AT&T site.
Mr. Gonzalez stated SCE had an easement with the property owner, which was the reason they
had not wanted to be held only to the consent of the property owner as they believed SCE had
the right to grant permission.
Mr. Ortlieb stated that might not be a DRC issue.
Chair McCormack stated he was not certain if that was legal.
Committee Member Woollett stated there would be a recorded document that would allow
access to the property; whether it came from the owner or SCE, SCE had the power to grant that
and the City would not be involved.
Committee Member Gladson stated she was fine with how the Condition was written and it
charged the applicant with the responsibility of clearing the issue up.
Committee Member Woollett stated on the paint and graffiti, he presumed that there was concern
of potential graffiti on the enclosure. He asked if there had been any thought given to the use of
some sealer on the enclosure which would allow easier removal of graffiti?
Mr. Ortlieb stated Staff was asking for a graffiti resistant paint to be used, but was not certain
how effective that would be. The applicants offer and alternate solution would work; if Staff had
the phone number to add to the case file, that would be a point of contact and would be good as
long as the provider was still providing service.
Chair McCormack asked if the phone number could be made available on the tower?
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Mr. Gonzalez stated they could actually add it to the enclosure door. They were very limited to
what could be added to the enclosure as SCE had very narrow requirements.
Committee Member Gladson asked was the idea of keeping the paint on site to paint over the
graffiti? AT&T would still have to be called to have it painted out.
Chair McCormack stated he agreed that the paint should not be out there as it would change
composition over time with the heat.
Mr. Gonzalez stated the property management phone number was set up to deal with other issues
as well as graffiti.
Committee Member Wheeler asked if there was a way to get that number to the community?
Mr. Gonzalez stated they could provide that number and it would be public knowledge once it
was provided to Staff.
Committee Member Gladson stated she felt the first part of the condition, requiring graffiti
resistant paint was fine, and to substitute the second sentence with: the applicant shall provide
the toll free phone number.
Committee Member Woollett stated the other issue was regarding the request for having flush
panels. The Committee had accepted the panels on the towers; it was already a utility structure
and it would not matter if the panels were flush or not. The panels were fairly closed in and he
had no objection to the design.
Chair McCormack stated from a design perspective, if in the future another enclosure would be
added his request would be that the new enclosure/tower be the same.
Mr. Gonzalez stated that was very common and it was generally all dictated by SCE.
Committee Member Gladson stated she concurred with Committee Member Woollett's
observation; it was what it was-a utility structure, and to recommend a better design would not
make the entire thing better. On the rumble strip, for clarification, would the strip be right at the
entrance on Shadow Ridge? She understood what the strip would do and the Staff Report noted
that there had been problems with mud on that street and she would want to prevent that.
Chair McCormack asked why the strip could not be moved further up?
Mr. Ortlieb stated it could be moved up as there was a lot of compacted gravel in the area.
Mr. Gonzalez stated he had not wanted to place anything on the private property access and he
would be fine with gravel and he asked if that would suffice?
Committee Member Wheeler stated he was fine with gravel on the private property access and
the addition of a rumble strip beyond that property.
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Chair McCormack stated he felt that was Staff's call.
Committee Member Gladson asked about the enclosure, would there be any objection to a chain
link top to the enclosure? It would prevent anyone from gaining access.
Committee Members Wheeler and Cathcart concurred with the use of chain link for the
enclosure top.
Chair McCormack made a motion to recommend approval to the Planning Commission of DRC
No. 4383-08, AT&T Wireless Site No. 000191A, subject to the conditions contained in the Staff
Report and with the modifications to those conditions as follows:
1. A maintenance phone number be provided in the case file.
2. That the rumble strips be moved off of private property and to have gravel the length of
the private property.
3. To allow chain link to be used for the enclosure lid.
4. Permission to access the property be provided to Staff.
And with the following condition:
1. If another enclosure were to be installed, that it would be consistent in materials and
form.
SECOND: Adrienne Gladson
AYES: Bill Cathcart, Adrienne Gladson, Tim McCormack, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: None
ABSENT: None
MOTION CARRIED.
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ADJOURNMENT:
Committee Member Wheeler made a motion to adjourn to the next regular scheduled meeting on
November 4, 2009 at 5:00 p.m. The meeting adjourned at 6:48 p.m.
SECOND: Adrienne Gladson
AYES: Bill Cathcart, Adrienne Gladson, Tim McCormack, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: None
ABSENT: None
MOTION CARRIED.