10-04-2000 DRC MinutesCITY OF ORANGE
DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE
MINUTES
for Wednesday, October 4, 2000
Committee Members Present: Joe Woollett (Vice-Chair)
Mark Paone
Susan Secoy (Chair)
Staff in Attendance: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner
Howard Morris, Landscape Coordinator
Committee Member Absent: Alice Angus
Leonard Filner
Administrative Session - 4:30 P.M.
The board met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 p.m. The meeting adjourned at
approximately 7:00 p.m.
Regular Session - 5:30 PM
REVIEW OF MINUTES:
MOTION was made by Susan Secoy to approve the October 20, 2000 as submitted.
SECOND:Joe Woollett
AYES:Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:Alice Angus, Leonard Filner
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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DRC No. 3582 - REZA ZOLFAGHARI
New custom single family residence at Prospect Hills
6127 E. Cliffway Drive
DRC Action: Final Determination
Continued from 9/20/00 meeting)
Applicant requested for a continuance prior to start of the meeting)
A motion was made by Susan Secoy to continue the project.
SECOND: Mark Paone
AYES: Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: Alice Angus, Leonard Filner
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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2. DRC No. 3583 - METRICOM/WFI
Wireless communication antennas installed on an existing commercial building
1815 E. Heim Avenue
DRC Action: Final Determination
Continued 9/20/00 meeting)
The project was presented by Wendy Novak with Compass Telecom Services. The plans have
been revised to include a dormer element on the mansard roof to screen the antennas from
view. Their engineer has investigated the DRC's suggestion of mounting the antennas
horizontally, but determined that this could not be done. They have also tried to locate the
antennas inside the mansard roof, but there is not enough space.
Susan Secoy stated that the addition of dormer elements is not a solution the DRC supports.
Are there any possibilities to incorporate the antenna into the existing Ford Dealership sign on
the adjoining property?
Joe Woollett stated that he is still not convinced that the antennas could not be installed behind
the parapet roof.
Ms. Novak replied that they have not contacted the adjacent property owner.
Mark Paone stated that there are other alternatives that must be explored, before they can
determine if the project fits well into the community. As proposed, the DRC cannot offer their
support at this time.
Ms. Novak asked if the primary concern is the visual impact from the freeway? (Yes)
Joe Woollett stated that he would rather see the antennas mounted on top of the parapet rather
than in front of it. Although this would exceed the maximum height allowed by code, and that a
variance may be required.
Susan Secoy acknowledge that there is a real need for technology, but the issue of
compatibility must also be addressed to avoid adding blight to the community.
Ms. Novak asked if the project could be continued for further investigation of alternative
solutions?
A motion was made by Susan Secoy to continue the project.
SECOND: Joe Woollett
AYES: Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: Alice Angus, Leonard Filner
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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3. DRC No. 3587 - VALARE TARDIF
Demolition of an existing residence (1906 Hip Roof Cottage) and detached garage, and
replace with a 1%2 story residence (1915 Craftsman Bungalow) relocated from another
site, and to construct a new 2-car detached garage.
151 S. Harwood Street (Contributing Structure)
DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission
The project was presented by the owner Valare Tardif and his son Andre Tardif. The proposal
is to demolish the existing residence and replace it with an existing residence moved from
another location at 1103 W. Chapman Avenue. The existing residence is a 1906 Hip Roof
Cottage with batten board single wall construction that does not meet current codes. The
existing residence at 1103 W. Chapman Avenue is a 1915 Craftsman Bungalow built in 1915,
located on a commercial zone lot.
The project was opened for public comments
Jeff Frankel asked if the applicants have already obtained clear deed to the house at 1103 W.
Chapman? (Not yet, perhaps in a few weeks)
Robert Imboden is concerned with this project as it is extremely unprecedented. He has looked
at the property and agrees that the existing house is severely dilapidated and therefore cannot
be restored. The moving of another house to this site to save it from potential destruction is
admirable. However, there needs to be some assurance that the house would be moved to this
site after the demolition of the old house. There needs to be detailed description and clear
plans as to what exactly is to be done, and what the end result would be. There also needs to
be clear and concise documentation to the removal of the existing contributing structure to be
kept as permanent records. Also, could the house (1103 W. Chapman) after it has been moved
to the new site still qualify for nomination as a contributing structure?
Janet Crenshaw concurred with the need for documentation of the demolition of a contributing
structure.
Joe Woollett asked what is the extent of the documentation and who keeps it?
Robert Imboden replied the issue of documentation should be discussed with the City's
consultant Robert Chattel to determine what would be considered the standard in the industry.
Mark Paone asked the applicants if they have verified how the structure is to be moved?
Andre Tardif replied that he has consulted with an engineer regarding the move. He was told
that the roof would be taken off and be reassemble afterwards. There are also some structural
upgrades that may need to be done.
Susan Secoy supports the project in concept, but more detail information is still needed.
Joe Woollett stated that this project will set a good precedent, and he hopes that some type of
procedure could be established as a result. In the mean time, he too would also like to see
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3. DRC No. 3587 - VALARE TARDIF (Continued)
more detail information. The applicant should also submit exterior finish color and material
samples to the DRC for approval.
Mark Paone felt that the use of poured concrete instead of cinder block for the new foundation
may be more appropriate for Old Towne. More investigation is needed, and a more detailed
demolition plan should be submitted. It would also be helpful if photograph documentation of
the existing house at Chapman can be provided. The method of transportation should be
clearly outlined, and proof of ownership of the structure prior to issuance of any demolition
permit would be required.
MOTION by Mark Paone to continue the project based on the discussion above.
SECOND: Joe Woollett
AYES: Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: Alice Angus, Leonard Filner
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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4. DRC No. 3590 - MONIQUE NAVARRETE
Addition to the rear of an existing residence (1925 Bungalow)
184 S. Pine Street (Contributing Structure)
DRC Action: Final Determination
The project was presented by the owner Monique Navarrete and her contractor David Nunez.
The proposal is to add 500 sq.ft. at the rear of an existing single story residence in Old Towne.
The residence is a 1925 Bungalow.
The project was opened for public comments:
Robert Imboden and Jeff Frankel are concerned with the windows and details to be used for the
new addition. It appears that the front of house has already been modified by previous owners.
Mark Paone asked if the existing garage will remain? (Yes)
Susan Secoy stated that a demolition plan needs to be submitted to document the removal of
the storage shed along side the garage.
Mark Paone asked if the front of the house can be restored back to its original condition? This
would greatly improve the historical significance of the house. He strongly suggest that this be
further studied.
Monique Navarrete replied that she likes the front as is. She is more concerned with the
proposed addition at the rear. Perhaps she would consider it in the future when she has more
money, but this is definitely not within her current budget.
Susan Secoy asked that more photographs be submitted, as well as the exterior finish material
sample and color palette.
MOTION by Susan Secoy to continue the project based on the discussion above.
SECOND:Mark Paone
AYES:Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:Alice Angus, Leonard Filner
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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5. DRC No. 3591 - WEBLINK WIRELESS
New wall sign for an existing 4-story office building
765 The City Drive South
DRC Action: Final Determination
The project was presented by Oscar Salinas with P.S. Services. The proposal is to install a
new wall sign on a 4-story office building for an existing tenant that has recently changed its
name from PageMart to WebLink Wireless. The existing individual channel letters would be
replaced with a new cabinet sign.
Mark Paone raised concerns with the cabinet sign not being consistent with the existing
individual channel letters that used along the other side of the building. Although the sign
ordinance does not expressly prohibit the use of cabinet or can type signs, it should still be
consistent and aesthetically compatible with the existing signage already on the building.
MOTION by Susan Secoy to approve the project with the following conditions:
1. Cabinet signs are not approved. New signage shall be individual channel letters.
2. New signage shall comply with the sign ordinance for maximum area allowed.
3. New signage shall be reviewed and approved by City staff for consistency with existing
signage already on the building, otherwise, any proposals that are not within these
parameters shall be re-submitted to the DRC for review.
SECOND: Mark Paone
AYES: Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: Alice Angus, Leonard Filner
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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