10-03-2007 DRC MinutesCITY OF ORANGE
DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE
MINUTES -FINAL
3 October 2007
Committee Members Present: Jon Califf
Bill Cathcart
Donnie DeWees
Craig Wheeler
Committee Members Absent: Joe Woollett
Staff in Attendance: Gary Sheatz, Assistant City Attorney
Daniel Ryan, Senior Planner, Historic Preservation
Howard Morris, Senior Landscape Coordinator
Doris Nguyen, Associate Planner
Chad Ortlieb, Senior Planner
Sonal Thakur, Assistant Planner
Sandi Dimick, Recording Secretary
Administrative Session - 5:00 P.M.
The Committee met for an administrative session beginning at 5:00 p.m.
Regular Session - 5:30 P.M.
The meeting adjourned at approximately 7:35 p.m. to the next regular meeting on Wednesday,
October 17, 2007.
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PUBLIC PARTICIPATION
Opportunity for members of the public to address the Design Review Committee on
matters not listed on the Agenda.
No public attendees addressed the Design Review Committee on matters not listed on the
Agenda.
CONSENT ITEMS:
All matters that are announced as Consent Items are considered to be routine by the
Design Review Committee and will be enacted by one motion. There will be no separate
discussion of said items unless members of the Design Review Committee, staff or the
public request specific items to be removed from the Consent Items for separate action.
CONSENT ITEMS:
1) DRC No. 4253-07 -DEL TACO FACADE REHAB
A proposal to remodel the exterior of an existing eating establishment.
2607 North Tustin Street
Staff Contact: Sonal Thakur, 714-744-7239, sthakur(a~cityoforange.org
DRC Action: Final Determination
2) DRC No. 4271-07 - U.S. HEALTH WORKS
A proposal for wall signage in the Tustin Street Redevelopment District.
1045 North Tustin Avenue
Staff Contact: Chad Ortlieb, 714-744-7237, cortlieb ~cityoforange.org
DRC Action: Final Determination
Public Comment
No public comment was provided on this item.
Chair Wheeler asked the applicants present for these two items if they had anything to add. They
both concurred that they agreed to have their items approved by consent with the conditions
contained in the Staff Report.
Chair Wheeler asked for any further discussion or a motion.
Committee Member Califf made a motion to approve DRC No.4253-07 -Del Taco Facade
Rehab and DRC No. 4271-07 - U.S. Health Works by consent, subject to the conditions
contained in the Staff Report.
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SECOND: Donnie DeWees
AYES: Jon Califf, Bill Cathcart, Donnie DeWees, Craig Wheeler
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: None
ABSENT: Joe Woollett
MOTION CARRIED.
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AGENDA ITEMS:
3) DRC No. 4277-07 -ORANGE IMAGING MEDICAL CENTER
A proposal to remove the wood siding on the building and reface with stucco.
293 South Main Street
Staff Contact: Doris Nguyen, 714-744-7223, dng_uyen(a~cit o~ange.org
DRC Action: Final Determination
This item was initially placed on the consent calendar; however, per Committee discussion, was
moved to the Agenda. Staff Associate Planner Doris Nguyen was present for any questions or
clarifications from the Staff Report. The reading of the Staff Report was waived.
Public Comment
None.
Chair Wheeler opened this item for discussion by the Committee.
Chair Wheeler asked for clarification of the stucco texture and color and did not see anything in
the plans that noted where the colors were applied. He also asked how the deep window sills
would be treated.
Committee Member DeWees asked the applicant how the coping would be handled, and would it
be replaced.
Applicant Alfredo Lemus answered that when the stucco is completed the coping would be
replaced. In reviewing the drawings the stucco would go around the windows and there was a 2"
area to be covered. The Committee reviewed the plans/drawings with the applicant. Mr. Lemus
stated that on the side of the building the windows were flush with the wall and new flashings
would be installed. On the deep sills there would also be a metal flashing.
Committee Member DeWees asked if the vertical siding was a proper subsurface for the lath and
plaster. Mr. Lemus stated that the siding is screwed down and would hold the weight and had
been approved through their engineer. He also stated that the siding is tongue and groove and
would hold the weight.
Chair Wheeler asked if there would be any moldings or cornice added and what texture would be
used for the stucco. Mr. Lemus answered that there would be no moldings or cornice and the
stucco texture would be smooth; he also showed the Committee the color choices and stated that
one color would be used.
Committee Member DeWees, in reviewing the drawings, pointed out to the applicant where
controlled joints were needed and that they should be placed in logical places such as window
corners and door openings.
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Mr. Lemus stated that they had completed the building across the street from this building and
this proposed project would be similar and that they wanted to begin work as soon as possible.
Ms. Nguyen stated that they had been pulled from the counter and were required to apply
through the DRC and the applicant had been waiting for approval to begin the project.
Chair Wheeler made a motion to approve DRC No. 4277-07, Orange Imaging Medical Center,
with the conditions listed in the Staff Report and with the following conditions:
1. New stucco be a smooth sand finish.
2. No moldings, cornices, or trims applied.
3. New metal pans at the recessed window locations.
4. The building will be one color selected by the applicant.
5. All control joints to be carefully aligned with openings.
SECOND: Donnie DeWees
AYES: Joe Califf, Bill Cathcart, Donnie DeWees, Craig Wheeler
NOES: None
ABSENT: Joe Woollett
MOTION CARRIED.
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4) DRC No. 4273-07 -BEST BUY AND STARBUCKS
A proposal to demolish a 30,000 square foot building formerly occupied by a bowling
alley, demolish a 7,250 square foot car wash, construct a 45,750 square foot retail
building for Best Buy, and a 1,700 square foot drive-through coffee dispensary for
Starbucks.
2375 and 2355 North Tustin Street
Staff Contact: Chad Ortlieb, 714-744-7237, cortlieb(a~cityoforange.org
DRC Action: Recommendation to the Planning Commission
Staff Senior Planner Chad Ortlieb provided a project overview consistent with the Staff Report.
Staff also recommended that the parking lot lights be reduced to a height of 20'.
Public Comment
Lisa Ackerman, address on file, came forward and addressed the Committee. Ms. Ackerman
stated that she resides in Orange in Coco Palms and was glad to see that something will be done
with this property. She was concerned with the mass and scale of the project and that it was so
close to a residential area. The view from her neighborhood would be that of a large beige
structure and wanted more trees that would soften the project and wanted the sign to be smaller.
Brenda Vasquez, address on file, came forward and addressed the Committee. Ms. Vasquez had
a concern with the perimeter wall and wanted to have an 8' wall considered on the store side to
cut down on traffic noise and pedestrian traffic. She questioned how the site would be
illuminated and was concerned about the height of the light poles and the number and size of the
signs. Additionally she felt that the landscaping did not seem adequate and that there should be
more mature trees planted.
Chair Wheeler opened the item to Committee discussion.
Committee Member Cathcart asked for the hours of operation and how many trees short the
proposed plan was. Mr. Ortlieb stated that the hours of operation for this business were 10:00
a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Monday-Thursday, 10:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m. Friday-Saturday and 10:00 a.m. to
7:00 p.m. on Sunday. On the tree count there were 150 required and 106 proposed on the Best
Buy site and 23 required and 12 proposed on the Starbucks site.
Committee Member Cathcart stated that the trees were 30' on center and that they could be 20';
any closer could create problems horticulturally. Committee Member Califf stated that he would
like to see an 8' wall on the low side. Mr. Ortlieb stated that an 8' wall would require a variance.
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Chair Wheeler was concerned about the landscaping adjacent to the truck path on the southern
boundary of the site. He also stated that the report stated that the installation bays in the back of
the business would only be used with the doors closed. He had checked another local Best Buy
and their doors were open while in use and asked how this would be managed. Mr. Ortlieb
stated that this condition could be added; however, it would be complaint-based enforcement.
Chair Wheeler asked if the applicant had considered material other than stucco for the Best Buy
sign, as stucco seemed to fade quickly. Committee Member Califf recommended a metal panel.
Committee Member DeWees asked if any of the applicant's representative wished to comment
on this or any other matter they were discussing.
Jim Dietz, Architect, stated that they had not looked into any other material for the sign;
however; they would be willing to look into it. Mr. Dietz also indicated that the fading is a
maintenance issue rather than a material issue.
Committee Member Cathcart asked for the height of the building. Mr. Dietz responded that the
base height of the building is 28' and the pylon sign is approximately 60'. This height was
needed to be able to see the sign over the freeway sound wall. Bryon Ward, Applicant
Representative, stated that the sound wall was 20' and the sign height was determined based on
the line of sight studies.
The Committee reviewed the plans in regards to landscaping and questioned why the trees were
30' on center rather than 20'. Glen Sharrar, Landscape Architect, stated that they were placed
30' on center in order to get the trees into the narrow areas. The Committee indicated that 25' is
preferred.
Committee Member Cathcart recommended that the four Dactyliferous Palms along the
Chapman entrance be changed to King Palms
Mr. Ward stated that he was not sure of the difference between the palm trees and they were
trying for aregal-looking tree to match the Village Shopping Center. He clarified that the
Committee was recommending a change in only four of the palm trees on Tustin.
Committee Member Califf recommended that there could also be additional trees in diamond
planters added in the parking lot.
Committee Member DeWees asked for clarification, referring to the Starbuck's building, of the
requirement vs. the number of trees as it only provided for half of what was required.
Committee Member Cathcart stated that one of the problems with the formula is when taken into
consideration the perimeter, parking, building, and odd shaped planters there was a false
impression that there should be more trees. Horticulturally, in tightening up the trees more than
25' would be a problem and he was concerned about adding more trees around Starbucks. He
felt this would create too much maintenance and decrease the survival of the trees.
Mr. Sharrar clarified that adding Dactyliferous into the parking areas was limited to the entry of
the parking lot and if they were required to lower the lighting to 20' that it would cause them to
add more lighting and take away from the landscaping.
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Committee Member Califf stated that 20' light poles would be erroneous for a parking lot that
size. Many more light fixtures would be needed when the lighting is lower and in looking at the
plans it appeared that the lighting was adequate. He also stated that he would like to see the
study on the illumination and asked if the lights were visible off-site. Mr. Ortlieb stated that was
not in the environmental study.
The Committee discussed the light pole height and Chair Wheeler stated he would like to
recommend the 30' in the interior area and add 20' on the perimeter. Committee Member Califf
stated that the lights were not laid out in that manner. Committee Member DeWees stated that
he would rather see more landscape and fewer light poles.
Mr. Ward stated that there was no requirement for perimeter lights with the use of the 30' light
poles which would give them space for additional trees. In decreasing the height of the poles it
would cause problems such as hot spots and dark spots. In studies with their lighting specialist if
the lights were lowered to a height of 20' there would be the need for added light poles. He
added that they would be open to keeping the 30' pole height with more trees being added.
Committee Member Califf stated that with the 30' light poles he would like to see what the trees
and the wall would do with the issue of cut-off, and additionally what would the visibility of the
lights be from off- site. He also stated that he wanted the applicant to address the issue of glare
to the neighbors in reference to the combination of lighting and landscaping.
Mr. Ortlieb asked if the tree height in the study be the height at installation or maturity.
Committee Members stated tree height in three to four years would be a good compromise.
Committee Member Califf made a motion to approve DRC No. 4273-07, Best Buy and
Starbucks, to the Planning Commission with the following conditions:
1. Four palm trees closest to the sidewalk on Tustin Street be King Palms to match the
new City standard.
2. The spacing on the perimeter palm trees on the north and south property lines
adjacent to residential zones be 25' maximum.
3. Within the parking lot where diamond shaped tree wells are used, that one additional
tree and diamond be added to each parking row.
4. The north and south screen walls along residential property be 8' in height on the low
side.
5. Prior to the Planning Commission review, the applicant provide a site section
showing to scale the height of the lights, wall, and the projected height of trees after
four years' maturity. Also provide manufacturer's literature (catalog cut) that
illustrates the luminaries of the 30' light poles in reference to cut-off, and the
elimination of view from the residential property.
6. The back-bay doors remain closed when in use.
In addition, (a) the Staff Report recommendations would include Conditions 1, 3, 5, 6, 7,
and 8; and scratch Conditions 2 and 4; and (b) add the recommendations made from the
Community Services Landscape Personnel.
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SECOND: Craig Wheeler
AYES: Jon Califf, Bill Cathcart, Donnie DeWees, Craig Wheeler
NOES: None
ABSENT: Joe Woollett
RECUSED: None
MOTION CARRIED.
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5) DRC No. 4178-06 -TOWN AND COUNTRY MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING
A proposal to construct athree-story 65,370 square foot medical office building, athree-
story parking structure, and landscaping improvements on a site with an existing 98,236
square foot office building.
999 Town and Country Road
Staff Contact: Chad Ortlieb, 714-744-7237, cortlieb ,cit o~range.org
DRC Action: Recommendation to the Planning Commission
Staff Senior Planner Chad Ortlieb, provided a project overview consistent with the Staff Report.
Applicant Scott Barnard requested a copy of the landscape requirements. He also stated that they
accommodated the City's interest in the pedestrian orientation and the requirements of the Water
Quality Management District.
Public Comment
None.
Chair Wheeler opened this item for discussion by the Committee.
Committee Member Cathcart stated that he would like to see the plant list more detailed with
specific species listed. The Crape Myrtle is not a Brisbane box, and the variety chosen should be
an Indian variety that would withstand mold and mildew. The plant varieties should have the
same water requirements.
The Committee and Applicant discussed the pedestrian walkways and how to add pavers to
include more controlled walkways, and the possibility of using bridge-type walkways to go over
the bio-swells. As these are newer designs they would continue to see uses for them and ways to
better design and manage them.
Committee Member DeWees asked why turf was being used on a commercial project. Mr.
Barnard stated it was existing turf.
Mr. Barnard reviewed the drawings with the Committee and pointed out what changes had been
made from the last time this project had been submitted. Chair Wheeler questioned the notation
in the environmental document in reference to asbestos studies in the existing building and if
there were any changes being proposed to the existing building. Mr. Barnard stated no, these
were provided from an earlier study.
Chair Wheeler had a concern aesthetically about the contrasting window frames. Committee
Member DeWees asked for clarification on the south side of the parking structure, why the upper
level was not screened with the same mesh. Mr. Barnard responded that was done for security
purposes, not visual screening. It gave the appearance of a more controlled entrance and exit
area and was placed in those areas that they were required to for security.
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Mr. Ortlieb stated that the Police Department asked that there be no screening added on the 2°d
floor of the parking structure for visibility purposes.
Committee Member Cathcart made a motion to approve DRC No. 4178-06, Town and Country
Medical Office Building, to the Planning Commission with the following recommendations:
1. Plant materials should be coordinated in hydro-zones and plants species be
specific on the plans. The Platanus Specie be Bloodgood and the Crape Myrtle
variety be of the Indian variety.
2. Take into consideration the recommendations made by the Community Services
Landscape Department.
SECOND: Donnie DeWees
AYES: Jon Califf, Bill Cathcart, Donnie DeWees, Craig Wheeler
NOES: None
ABSENT: Joe Woollett
RECUSED: None
MOTION CARRIED.
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6) DRC No. 4279-07 and AA No. 150-07 - REYES RESIDENCE
A proposal to demolish anon-contributing garage and construct a new one-car detached
garage, a 720 sq. ft. addition to the main residence, and a new 640 sq. ft. detached
accessory unit with an attached two-car garage.
215 North Clark Street, Old Towne Historic District
Staff Contact: Dan Ryan, 714-744-7224, dryan(c~cityoforange.org
DRC Action: Recommendation to the Planning Commission
Staff Senior Planner Daniel Ryan stated that the applicant was not present. Chair Wheeler asked
Staff for their direction on the matter.
Assistant City Attorney Gary Sheatz stated that the Committee could continue the item and
ensure that the applicant would be present. The item could be continued to a date certain or a
date uncertain, one would require renoticing. Also, the item could be heard without the
applicant. He also clarified that for due process there were two concerns: notice and opportunity
to be heard.
The Committee discussed these choices and agreed that the item should be continued.
Committee Member DeWees made a motion to continue DRC No. 4279-07 and AA No. 150-07,
Reyes Residence, to a date certain, October 17, 2007, without renotice.
SECOND:Bill Cathcart
AYES:Jon Califf, Bill Cathcart, Donnie DeWees, Craig Wheeler
NOES:None
ABSENT:Joe Woollett
RECUSED:None
MOTION CARRIED.
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7) DRC No. 4281-07 -RAKER RESIDENCE
A proposal for window and door modifications to an existing 1918 Bungalow.
492 North Olive Street, Old Towne Historic District
Staff Contact: Dan Ryan, 714-744-7224, divan a,cityoforange.org
DRC Action: Final Determination
Staff Senior Planner Daniel Ryan provided a project overview consistent with the Staff Report.
Applicant Representative, Evonne Morton, was present to answer any questions from the
Committee.
Public Comment
Jeff Frankel, address on file, came forward an addressed the Committee. He was pleased with
the aluminum windows being replaced with wood. He questioned the rear elevation and the
removal of the rear window; the Old Town Preservation Association would be opposed to the
removal of an original window. The replacement window to the rear would be going into the
same location and wanted to know the reason for replacing this window. He stated that he would
like to see the preservation of the historic windows.
Ms. Morton responded that she felt the reason for the replacement was to have dual glazed
windows. She also stated that she was unable to reach the property owner to get clarification on
the windows. The Committee discussed alternatives to keeping the existing windows and
explained it was a matter of historic value to retain the existing windows.
Mr. Ryan stated that it appeared the window was being shifted over.
Committee Member DeWees stated that it was unclear of the applicant's intentions and the item
should be continued. Chair Wheeler agreed.
Committee Member DeWees made a motion to continue DRC No. 4281-07, Raker Residence, to
a date certain of October 17, 2007 without renotice.
SECOND: Bill Cathcart
AYES: Jon Califf, Bill Cathcart, Donnie DeWees, Craig Wheeler
NOES: None
ABSENT: Joe Woollett
RECUSED: None
MOTION CARRIED.
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REVIEW OF MINUTES:
8) APPROVAL OF MINUTES: (1) AUGUST 15, 2007
REVIEW/APPROVAL OF MINUTES: (1) JULY 18, 2007 (2) SEPTEMBER 5, 2007
Chair Wheeler stated the minutes had been reviewed during the Administrative Session.
A motion was made by Committee Member Califf to approve the minutes of the August 15,
2007 meeting with changes previously noted.
SECOND: Bill Cathcart
AYES: Jon Califf, Bill Cathcart, Donnie DeWees, Craig Wheeler
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: None
ABSENT: Joe Woollett
MOTION CARRIED.
A motion was made by Committee Member Cathcart to approve the minutes of the July 18, 2007
meeting with changes as noted.
SECOND: Donnie DeWees
AYES:Bill Cathcart, Donnie DeWees, Craig Wheeler
NOES:None
ABSTAIN:Jon Califf
ABSENT:Joe Woollett
MOTION CARRIED.
A motion was made by Chair Wheeler to approve the minutes of the September 5, 2007 meeting
with changes as noted.
SECOND: Bill Cathcart
AYES:Jon Califf, Bill Cathcart, Craig Wheeler
NOES:None
ABSTAIN:Donnie DeWees
ABSENT:Joe Woollett
MOTION CARRIED.
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ADJOURNMENT:
A motion was made by Committee Member Califf to adjourn to the next regular meeting on
Wednesday, October 17, 2007.
SECOND:Craig Wheeler
AYES:Bi11 Cathcart, Craig Wheeler, Jon Califf, Donnie DeWees
NOES:None
ABSENT:Joe Woollett
RECUSED:None
MOTION CARRIED.