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10-03-2007 DRC MinutesCITY OF ORANGE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES -FINAL 3 October 2007 Committee Members Present: Jon Califf Bill Cathcart Donnie DeWees Craig Wheeler Committee Members Absent: Joe Woollett Staff in Attendance: Gary Sheatz, Assistant City Attorney Daniel Ryan, Senior Planner, Historic Preservation Howard Morris, Senior Landscape Coordinator Doris Nguyen, Associate Planner Chad Ortlieb, Senior Planner Sonal Thakur, Assistant Planner Sandi Dimick, Recording Secretary Administrative Session - 5:00 P.M. The Committee met for an administrative session beginning at 5:00 p.m. Regular Session - 5:30 P.M. The meeting adjourned at approximately 7:35 p.m. to the next regular meeting on Wednesday, October 17, 2007. City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for October 3, 2007 Page 2 of 15 PUBLIC PARTICIPATION Opportunity for members of the public to address the Design Review Committee on matters not listed on the Agenda. No public attendees addressed the Design Review Committee on matters not listed on the Agenda. CONSENT ITEMS: All matters that are announced as Consent Items are considered to be routine by the Design Review Committee and will be enacted by one motion. There will be no separate discussion of said items unless members of the Design Review Committee, staff or the public request specific items to be removed from the Consent Items for separate action. CONSENT ITEMS: 1) DRC No. 4253-07 -DEL TACO FACADE REHAB A proposal to remodel the exterior of an existing eating establishment. 2607 North Tustin Street Staff Contact: Sonal Thakur, 714-744-7239, sthakur(a~cityoforange.org DRC Action: Final Determination 2) DRC No. 4271-07 - U.S. HEALTH WORKS A proposal for wall signage in the Tustin Street Redevelopment District. 1045 North Tustin Avenue Staff Contact: Chad Ortlieb, 714-744-7237, cortlieb ~cityoforange.org DRC Action: Final Determination Public Comment No public comment was provided on this item. Chair Wheeler asked the applicants present for these two items if they had anything to add. They both concurred that they agreed to have their items approved by consent with the conditions contained in the Staff Report. Chair Wheeler asked for any further discussion or a motion. Committee Member Califf made a motion to approve DRC No.4253-07 -Del Taco Facade Rehab and DRC No. 4271-07 - U.S. Health Works by consent, subject to the conditions contained in the Staff Report. City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for October 3, 2007 Page 3 of 15 SECOND: Donnie DeWees AYES: Jon Califf, Bill Cathcart, Donnie DeWees, Craig Wheeler NOES: None ABSTAIN: None ABSENT: Joe Woollett MOTION CARRIED. City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for October 3, 2007 Page 4 of 15 AGENDA ITEMS: 3) DRC No. 4277-07 -ORANGE IMAGING MEDICAL CENTER A proposal to remove the wood siding on the building and reface with stucco. 293 South Main Street Staff Contact: Doris Nguyen, 714-744-7223, dng_uyen(a~cit o~ange.org DRC Action: Final Determination This item was initially placed on the consent calendar; however, per Committee discussion, was moved to the Agenda. Staff Associate Planner Doris Nguyen was present for any questions or clarifications from the Staff Report. The reading of the Staff Report was waived. Public Comment None. Chair Wheeler opened this item for discussion by the Committee. Chair Wheeler asked for clarification of the stucco texture and color and did not see anything in the plans that noted where the colors were applied. He also asked how the deep window sills would be treated. Committee Member DeWees asked the applicant how the coping would be handled, and would it be replaced. Applicant Alfredo Lemus answered that when the stucco is completed the coping would be replaced. In reviewing the drawings the stucco would go around the windows and there was a 2" area to be covered. The Committee reviewed the plans/drawings with the applicant. Mr. Lemus stated that on the side of the building the windows were flush with the wall and new flashings would be installed. On the deep sills there would also be a metal flashing. Committee Member DeWees asked if the vertical siding was a proper subsurface for the lath and plaster. Mr. Lemus stated that the siding is screwed down and would hold the weight and had been approved through their engineer. He also stated that the siding is tongue and groove and would hold the weight. Chair Wheeler asked if there would be any moldings or cornice added and what texture would be used for the stucco. Mr. Lemus answered that there would be no moldings or cornice and the stucco texture would be smooth; he also showed the Committee the color choices and stated that one color would be used. Committee Member DeWees, in reviewing the drawings, pointed out to the applicant where controlled joints were needed and that they should be placed in logical places such as window corners and door openings. City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for October 3, 2007 Page 5 of 15 Mr. Lemus stated that they had completed the building across the street from this building and this proposed project would be similar and that they wanted to begin work as soon as possible. Ms. Nguyen stated that they had been pulled from the counter and were required to apply through the DRC and the applicant had been waiting for approval to begin the project. Chair Wheeler made a motion to approve DRC No. 4277-07, Orange Imaging Medical Center, with the conditions listed in the Staff Report and with the following conditions: 1. New stucco be a smooth sand finish. 2. No moldings, cornices, or trims applied. 3. New metal pans at the recessed window locations. 4. The building will be one color selected by the applicant. 5. All control joints to be carefully aligned with openings. SECOND: Donnie DeWees AYES: Joe Califf, Bill Cathcart, Donnie DeWees, Craig Wheeler NOES: None ABSENT: Joe Woollett MOTION CARRIED. City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for October 3, 2007 Page 6 of 15 4) DRC No. 4273-07 -BEST BUY AND STARBUCKS A proposal to demolish a 30,000 square foot building formerly occupied by a bowling alley, demolish a 7,250 square foot car wash, construct a 45,750 square foot retail building for Best Buy, and a 1,700 square foot drive-through coffee dispensary for Starbucks. 2375 and 2355 North Tustin Street Staff Contact: Chad Ortlieb, 714-744-7237, cortlieb(a~cityoforange.org DRC Action: Recommendation to the Planning Commission Staff Senior Planner Chad Ortlieb provided a project overview consistent with the Staff Report. Staff also recommended that the parking lot lights be reduced to a height of 20'. Public Comment Lisa Ackerman, address on file, came forward and addressed the Committee. Ms. Ackerman stated that she resides in Orange in Coco Palms and was glad to see that something will be done with this property. She was concerned with the mass and scale of the project and that it was so close to a residential area. The view from her neighborhood would be that of a large beige structure and wanted more trees that would soften the project and wanted the sign to be smaller. Brenda Vasquez, address on file, came forward and addressed the Committee. Ms. Vasquez had a concern with the perimeter wall and wanted to have an 8' wall considered on the store side to cut down on traffic noise and pedestrian traffic. She questioned how the site would be illuminated and was concerned about the height of the light poles and the number and size of the signs. Additionally she felt that the landscaping did not seem adequate and that there should be more mature trees planted. Chair Wheeler opened the item to Committee discussion. Committee Member Cathcart asked for the hours of operation and how many trees short the proposed plan was. Mr. Ortlieb stated that the hours of operation for this business were 10:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Monday-Thursday, 10:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m. Friday-Saturday and 10:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. on Sunday. On the tree count there were 150 required and 106 proposed on the Best Buy site and 23 required and 12 proposed on the Starbucks site. Committee Member Cathcart stated that the trees were 30' on center and that they could be 20'; any closer could create problems horticulturally. Committee Member Califf stated that he would like to see an 8' wall on the low side. Mr. Ortlieb stated that an 8' wall would require a variance. City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for October 3, 2007 Page 7 of 15 Chair Wheeler was concerned about the landscaping adjacent to the truck path on the southern boundary of the site. He also stated that the report stated that the installation bays in the back of the business would only be used with the doors closed. He had checked another local Best Buy and their doors were open while in use and asked how this would be managed. Mr. Ortlieb stated that this condition could be added; however, it would be complaint-based enforcement. Chair Wheeler asked if the applicant had considered material other than stucco for the Best Buy sign, as stucco seemed to fade quickly. Committee Member Califf recommended a metal panel. Committee Member DeWees asked if any of the applicant's representative wished to comment on this or any other matter they were discussing. Jim Dietz, Architect, stated that they had not looked into any other material for the sign; however; they would be willing to look into it. Mr. Dietz also indicated that the fading is a maintenance issue rather than a material issue. Committee Member Cathcart asked for the height of the building. Mr. Dietz responded that the base height of the building is 28' and the pylon sign is approximately 60'. This height was needed to be able to see the sign over the freeway sound wall. Bryon Ward, Applicant Representative, stated that the sound wall was 20' and the sign height was determined based on the line of sight studies. The Committee reviewed the plans in regards to landscaping and questioned why the trees were 30' on center rather than 20'. Glen Sharrar, Landscape Architect, stated that they were placed 30' on center in order to get the trees into the narrow areas. The Committee indicated that 25' is preferred. Committee Member Cathcart recommended that the four Dactyliferous Palms along the Chapman entrance be changed to King Palms Mr. Ward stated that he was not sure of the difference between the palm trees and they were trying for aregal-looking tree to match the Village Shopping Center. He clarified that the Committee was recommending a change in only four of the palm trees on Tustin. Committee Member Califf recommended that there could also be additional trees in diamond planters added in the parking lot. Committee Member DeWees asked for clarification, referring to the Starbuck's building, of the requirement vs. the number of trees as it only provided for half of what was required. Committee Member Cathcart stated that one of the problems with the formula is when taken into consideration the perimeter, parking, building, and odd shaped planters there was a false impression that there should be more trees. Horticulturally, in tightening up the trees more than 25' would be a problem and he was concerned about adding more trees around Starbucks. He felt this would create too much maintenance and decrease the survival of the trees. Mr. Sharrar clarified that adding Dactyliferous into the parking areas was limited to the entry of the parking lot and if they were required to lower the lighting to 20' that it would cause them to add more lighting and take away from the landscaping. City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for October 3, 2007 Page 8 of 15 Committee Member Califf stated that 20' light poles would be erroneous for a parking lot that size. Many more light fixtures would be needed when the lighting is lower and in looking at the plans it appeared that the lighting was adequate. He also stated that he would like to see the study on the illumination and asked if the lights were visible off-site. Mr. Ortlieb stated that was not in the environmental study. The Committee discussed the light pole height and Chair Wheeler stated he would like to recommend the 30' in the interior area and add 20' on the perimeter. Committee Member Califf stated that the lights were not laid out in that manner. Committee Member DeWees stated that he would rather see more landscape and fewer light poles. Mr. Ward stated that there was no requirement for perimeter lights with the use of the 30' light poles which would give them space for additional trees. In decreasing the height of the poles it would cause problems such as hot spots and dark spots. In studies with their lighting specialist if the lights were lowered to a height of 20' there would be the need for added light poles. He added that they would be open to keeping the 30' pole height with more trees being added. Committee Member Califf stated that with the 30' light poles he would like to see what the trees and the wall would do with the issue of cut-off, and additionally what would the visibility of the lights be from off- site. He also stated that he wanted the applicant to address the issue of glare to the neighbors in reference to the combination of lighting and landscaping. Mr. Ortlieb asked if the tree height in the study be the height at installation or maturity. Committee Members stated tree height in three to four years would be a good compromise. Committee Member Califf made a motion to approve DRC No. 4273-07, Best Buy and Starbucks, to the Planning Commission with the following conditions: 1. Four palm trees closest to the sidewalk on Tustin Street be King Palms to match the new City standard. 2. The spacing on the perimeter palm trees on the north and south property lines adjacent to residential zones be 25' maximum. 3. Within the parking lot where diamond shaped tree wells are used, that one additional tree and diamond be added to each parking row. 4. The north and south screen walls along residential property be 8' in height on the low side. 5. Prior to the Planning Commission review, the applicant provide a site section showing to scale the height of the lights, wall, and the projected height of trees after four years' maturity. Also provide manufacturer's literature (catalog cut) that illustrates the luminaries of the 30' light poles in reference to cut-off, and the elimination of view from the residential property. 6. The back-bay doors remain closed when in use. In addition, (a) the Staff Report recommendations would include Conditions 1, 3, 5, 6, 7, and 8; and scratch Conditions 2 and 4; and (b) add the recommendations made from the Community Services Landscape Personnel. City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for October 3, 2007 Page 9 of 15 SECOND: Craig Wheeler AYES: Jon Califf, Bill Cathcart, Donnie DeWees, Craig Wheeler NOES: None ABSENT: Joe Woollett RECUSED: None MOTION CARRIED. City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for October 3, 2007 Page 10 of 15 5) DRC No. 4178-06 -TOWN AND COUNTRY MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING A proposal to construct athree-story 65,370 square foot medical office building, athree- story parking structure, and landscaping improvements on a site with an existing 98,236 square foot office building. 999 Town and Country Road Staff Contact: Chad Ortlieb, 714-744-7237, cortlieb ,cit o~range.org DRC Action: Recommendation to the Planning Commission Staff Senior Planner Chad Ortlieb, provided a project overview consistent with the Staff Report. Applicant Scott Barnard requested a copy of the landscape requirements. He also stated that they accommodated the City's interest in the pedestrian orientation and the requirements of the Water Quality Management District. Public Comment None. Chair Wheeler opened this item for discussion by the Committee. Committee Member Cathcart stated that he would like to see the plant list more detailed with specific species listed. The Crape Myrtle is not a Brisbane box, and the variety chosen should be an Indian variety that would withstand mold and mildew. The plant varieties should have the same water requirements. The Committee and Applicant discussed the pedestrian walkways and how to add pavers to include more controlled walkways, and the possibility of using bridge-type walkways to go over the bio-swells. As these are newer designs they would continue to see uses for them and ways to better design and manage them. Committee Member DeWees asked why turf was being used on a commercial project. Mr. Barnard stated it was existing turf. Mr. Barnard reviewed the drawings with the Committee and pointed out what changes had been made from the last time this project had been submitted. Chair Wheeler questioned the notation in the environmental document in reference to asbestos studies in the existing building and if there were any changes being proposed to the existing building. Mr. Barnard stated no, these were provided from an earlier study. Chair Wheeler had a concern aesthetically about the contrasting window frames. Committee Member DeWees asked for clarification on the south side of the parking structure, why the upper level was not screened with the same mesh. Mr. Barnard responded that was done for security purposes, not visual screening. It gave the appearance of a more controlled entrance and exit area and was placed in those areas that they were required to for security. City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for October 3, 2007 Page 11 of 15 Mr. Ortlieb stated that the Police Department asked that there be no screening added on the 2°d floor of the parking structure for visibility purposes. Committee Member Cathcart made a motion to approve DRC No. 4178-06, Town and Country Medical Office Building, to the Planning Commission with the following recommendations: 1. Plant materials should be coordinated in hydro-zones and plants species be specific on the plans. The Platanus Specie be Bloodgood and the Crape Myrtle variety be of the Indian variety. 2. Take into consideration the recommendations made by the Community Services Landscape Department. SECOND: Donnie DeWees AYES: Jon Califf, Bill Cathcart, Donnie DeWees, Craig Wheeler NOES: None ABSENT: Joe Woollett RECUSED: None MOTION CARRIED. City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for October 3, 2007 Page 12 of 15 6) DRC No. 4279-07 and AA No. 150-07 - REYES RESIDENCE A proposal to demolish anon-contributing garage and construct a new one-car detached garage, a 720 sq. ft. addition to the main residence, and a new 640 sq. ft. detached accessory unit with an attached two-car garage. 215 North Clark Street, Old Towne Historic District Staff Contact: Dan Ryan, 714-744-7224, dryan(c~cityoforange.org DRC Action: Recommendation to the Planning Commission Staff Senior Planner Daniel Ryan stated that the applicant was not present. Chair Wheeler asked Staff for their direction on the matter. Assistant City Attorney Gary Sheatz stated that the Committee could continue the item and ensure that the applicant would be present. The item could be continued to a date certain or a date uncertain, one would require renoticing. Also, the item could be heard without the applicant. He also clarified that for due process there were two concerns: notice and opportunity to be heard. The Committee discussed these choices and agreed that the item should be continued. Committee Member DeWees made a motion to continue DRC No. 4279-07 and AA No. 150-07, Reyes Residence, to a date certain, October 17, 2007, without renotice. SECOND:Bill Cathcart AYES:Jon Califf, Bill Cathcart, Donnie DeWees, Craig Wheeler NOES:None ABSENT:Joe Woollett RECUSED:None MOTION CARRIED. City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for October 3, 2007 Page 13 of 15 7) DRC No. 4281-07 -RAKER RESIDENCE A proposal for window and door modifications to an existing 1918 Bungalow. 492 North Olive Street, Old Towne Historic District Staff Contact: Dan Ryan, 714-744-7224, divan a,cityoforange.org DRC Action: Final Determination Staff Senior Planner Daniel Ryan provided a project overview consistent with the Staff Report. Applicant Representative, Evonne Morton, was present to answer any questions from the Committee. Public Comment Jeff Frankel, address on file, came forward an addressed the Committee. He was pleased with the aluminum windows being replaced with wood. He questioned the rear elevation and the removal of the rear window; the Old Town Preservation Association would be opposed to the removal of an original window. The replacement window to the rear would be going into the same location and wanted to know the reason for replacing this window. He stated that he would like to see the preservation of the historic windows. Ms. Morton responded that she felt the reason for the replacement was to have dual glazed windows. She also stated that she was unable to reach the property owner to get clarification on the windows. The Committee discussed alternatives to keeping the existing windows and explained it was a matter of historic value to retain the existing windows. Mr. Ryan stated that it appeared the window was being shifted over. Committee Member DeWees stated that it was unclear of the applicant's intentions and the item should be continued. Chair Wheeler agreed. Committee Member DeWees made a motion to continue DRC No. 4281-07, Raker Residence, to a date certain of October 17, 2007 without renotice. SECOND: Bill Cathcart AYES: Jon Califf, Bill Cathcart, Donnie DeWees, Craig Wheeler NOES: None ABSENT: Joe Woollett RECUSED: None MOTION CARRIED. City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for October 3, 2007 Page 14 of 15 REVIEW OF MINUTES: 8) APPROVAL OF MINUTES: (1) AUGUST 15, 2007 REVIEW/APPROVAL OF MINUTES: (1) JULY 18, 2007 (2) SEPTEMBER 5, 2007 Chair Wheeler stated the minutes had been reviewed during the Administrative Session. A motion was made by Committee Member Califf to approve the minutes of the August 15, 2007 meeting with changes previously noted. SECOND: Bill Cathcart AYES: Jon Califf, Bill Cathcart, Donnie DeWees, Craig Wheeler NOES: None ABSTAIN: None ABSENT: Joe Woollett MOTION CARRIED. A motion was made by Committee Member Cathcart to approve the minutes of the July 18, 2007 meeting with changes as noted. SECOND: Donnie DeWees AYES:Bill Cathcart, Donnie DeWees, Craig Wheeler NOES:None ABSTAIN:Jon Califf ABSENT:Joe Woollett MOTION CARRIED. A motion was made by Chair Wheeler to approve the minutes of the September 5, 2007 meeting with changes as noted. SECOND: Bill Cathcart AYES:Jon Califf, Bill Cathcart, Craig Wheeler NOES:None ABSTAIN:Donnie DeWees ABSENT:Joe Woollett MOTION CARRIED. City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for October 3, 2007 Page 15 of 15 ADJOURNMENT: A motion was made by Committee Member Califf to adjourn to the next regular meeting on Wednesday, October 17, 2007. SECOND:Craig Wheeler AYES:Bi11 Cathcart, Craig Wheeler, Jon Califf, Donnie DeWees NOES:None ABSENT:Joe Woollett RECUSED:None MOTION CARRIED.