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09-18-2002 DRC MinutesCITY OF ORANGE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES Wednesday, September 18, 2002 Committee Members Present: Jon Califf Leonard Filner (Vice Chair) Craig Wheeler Joe Woollett (Chair) Staff in Attendance: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner Howard Morris, Landscape Coordinator Khanh Le, Recording Secretary Committee Member Absent: Mark Paone Administrative Session - 4:30 P.M. The committee met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 p.m. The meeting adjourned at approximately 8 25 p.m. Regular Session - 5:30 PM REVIEW OF MINUTES: A motion was made by Committee Chair to approve the September 4, 2002 meeting minutes with the following corrections: DRC #3766 - In-N-Out Burger Retail Center (Phase I of II) pale 9, condition 4 amended as follows: 4. The proposed split-face block shall be changed to a ~t~r~-slz~*~"~te~e~~ Sandblasted precision block with dark aggregates. City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for September 18, 2002 Page 2 REVIEW OF MINUTES: (Continued DRC #3768 -Tim and Cheryl Lamberth, Pa eg 12, add Condition #10 as follows: 10. Exposed basement foundation wall shall be reviewed by City's Historic Preservation staff for one of the following approved options: 1) Board-form finish concrete, or 2) Parget finish with a large scale block pattern. SECOND: Leonard Filner AYES: Leonard Filner, Joe Woollett NOES: None ABSENT: Mark Paone ABSTAINED: Jon Califf, Craig Wheeler MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for September 18, 2002 Page 3 1. DRC No. 3699-02 -SAINT MARY'S SERIAL ORTHODOX CHURCH Revised building elevations for the expansion of an existing church facility. 1515 E. Taft Avenue Staff Contact: Daniel Ryan, Senior Planner -Historic Preservation DRC Action: Final Determination Continued from 7-24-2002 meeting) Mr. George Behnam (1150 E. Orangethorpe Ave. #109, Placentia, CA 92870) explained the project. The revised presentation of the project is based on input from the previous meeting. Architecturally, the existing sanctuary is main focus. The rest of the buildings are secondary architecturally and in terms of its function. Chair Woollett commented that if the applicant wanted to make the building distinctive, then why add the gables to the new building. Mr. Behnam replied that the new building would blend-in, but at the same time, making it distinct from the existing building. Chair Woollett is concerned with the height of the building because it appears too massive. Mr. Behnam stated that he is open to any suggestion the committee may have since he is not adamant about the height. The committee and Mr. Behnam continued to discuss other possibilities to the height and design for the building. It was concluded that Mr. Behnam would take the suggestions given by the committee, redesign the elevations, and come back to the DRC for final approval. Staff Member Chuck Lau asked if the committee would be comfortable with looking at the plans at next meeting, without prior submittal as normal protocol would suggest. The committee replied in the affirmative. Committee Member Wheeler also suggested that the applicant show a comparison between the proposed building and the existing building. A motion was made by Committee Chair Leonard Filner to continue the project. SECOND:Jon Califf AYES:Jon Califf, Leonard Filner, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett NOES:None ABSENT:Mark Paone ABSTAINED:None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for September 18, 2002 Page 4 2. DRC No. 3762-02 -SHELL GAS STATION Alter service station canopy and add illuminated decorative band 830 E. Katella Avenue Staff Contact. Sherman Jones, Associate Planner DRC Action: Final Determination Mr. Fred Cohen (2131 S. Dupont Dr., Anaheim, CA 92806) presented the project. The canopy will be painted yellow with a red band. The building will be painted white with the gray and yellow color accents. The food mart side will be red and yellow with "food mart" and "service center" signage. The trash enclosure will be painted white with a gray at the base. There will not be any modification to the canopy as originally submitted. It will structurally remain unchanged, painted yellow. Committee Chair Woollett asked how the applicant plans on addressing the comment from staff concerning the column. Mr. Cohen explained that originally, the plan was submitted with a lazy S" redesign for the canopy. Since the decision is to not modify the canopy, the comment concerning matching the column with the new roof deign would no longer apply, but it is up to the committee to decide what should be done. Committee Chair Woollett asked the applicant to address the landscaping. Mr. Cohen stated that they plan to landscape the entire lot. The overall plan is to maintain what is already there and add more as needed. Staff Member Morris asked if the applicant plans to restore the irrigation system and Mr. Cohen answered in the affirmative. Committee Chair Woollett inquired if the storage area going to be converted back to a trash unit. Staff Member Lau explained that it is a trash unit by design, so it is not a design issue but rather a code enforcement issue. Committee Member Califf asked if any of this require a building permit. Mr. Cohen replied that he does not belief it does. Committee Member Califf asked if a condition can be added to specifying the use of the trash enclosure. Staff Member Lau explained that it could be passed along to the code enforcement division to follow up. Committee Member Filner recommended that the applicant consider simplifying the plants by reducing the number of different varieties that already exist. He would like to see that final landscaping plans be submitted to staff for approval. City of Orange Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for September 18, 2002 Page 5 2. DRC No. 3762-02 -SHELL GAS STATION (Continued A motion was made by Committee Member Leonard Filner to approve the project subject the following conditions: 1. The existing trash enclosure be converted back to its original use as a trash enclosure. 2. Submit final landscape and irrigation plans to Community Services Department staff for approval. Final plans to include City required inspection notes. 3. Clarify that the proposed roof modification to the fuel island canopy has been deleted from the application and that the treatment of the columns on the staff recommendation is no longer needed. SECOND:Craig Wheeler AYES:Jon Califf, Leonard Filner, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett NOES:None ABSENT:Mark Paone ABSTAINED:None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for September 18, 2002 Page 6 3. DRC No. 3771- JIM & ANGELA GATES New 230 square foot rear porch addition and a new 500 square foot detached garage. 227 N Cleveland Street (Old Towne Historic District) Staff Contact: Jeffry Rice, Planning Manager DRC Action: Final Determination Mr. Jim Gates -owner, and his architect Mr. Doug Ely (158 N. Glassell #205, Orange) presented project. The proposal is to remove the existing porch, build a new porch, remove the existing garage that is in bad shape, and build a new garage with a driveway. He also explained that the neighbor and the applicant share the driveway. Committee Chair Woollett inquired if it is a legal shared driveway with the adjoining neighbor. Mr. Gates replied that he has spoken to his neighbor who stated that there is an easement for the shared driveway, but both feel that it is confusing and does not allow any privacy. Mr. Gates stated that if the neighbor agrees, he's willing to build new driveway for both himself and the neighbor. The applicant and the committee discussed the possible designs of the driveway. Mr. Ely explained he designed the garage using similar design elements as the front of the house. The elevation is the same pitch, the columns for the porch are the same, and the design is also consistent with the neighbors' homes. The meeting was opened for public comments: Ms. Janet Crenshaw (464 N. Shaffer, Orange) expressed that the proposal looks good, and would improve the streetscape. She added that she would like to see the material of the windows, sidings, and garage door be wood. Committee Member Woollett stated that he is pleased with the proposal. He addressed the proposed ribbon driveway, expressing it will require a letter of consent from the neighbor. Committee Member Filner asked which portion of the driveway is concrete and which is grass. Mr. Ely replied that it is turf block. The applicant can go with either concrete or turf block. Committee Chair Woollett asked if Mr. Ely intended the columns on the garage to look like the existing columns on the house, which Mr. Ely replied yes. City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for September 18, 2002 Page 7 3. DRC No. 3771 -JIM & ANGELA GATES (Continued Committee Member Wheeler commented that the proposed sixteen (16') foot wide garage door seem rather contemporary in design. Mr. Ely explained that because of the constraints of the existing mature tree and location of the driveway and porch, he felt that the best solution was the sixteen (16') foot garage door. The committee discussed the possibility of using a pair of sliding doors to emulate barn-style doors, in which Mr. Gates is open to the idea. Committee Member Wheeler then addressed the code requirements that any structure over ten 10') feet has to be set back from the rear property line at least ten (10') feet, which applies to the new garage design. He suggested the possibility of redesigning it so that the gable roof ends at the ten (10') foot mark, then dropping to a lower shed roof, making the back portion of the garage look like a rear service porch. The committee and the applicant continued to discuss the design and height issues, compared to code requirements. The conclusion is the applicant can redesign or seek a variance to the code. Committee Wheeler added the issue of the roofing material Mr. Ely explained that the new material would be feathered in with the old material for blending. A motion was made by Committee Chair Joe Woollett to approve the project based on the findings listed I the staff report, and subject to the following conditions: 1. The driveway shall be a ribbon type, extending east to where the curb on north side begins. 2. The applicant has the option of either: 1) provide a shed roof at the rear portion of the garage to comply with zoning code requirements, or 2) seek approval of a variance to allow the gable roof to extend to the entire length of the garage. 3. Change the garage door to a pair of two (2) bypassing barn-style doors. 4. The tapered columns on the porch shall match the existing columns on the front. 5. Provide a letter of consent from the adjacent neighbor to the north. 6. The ribbon driveway material may be either turf-blocks or concrete. SECOND: Jon Califf AYES: Jon Califf, Leonard Filner, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett NOES: None ABSENT: Mark Paone ABST~4.INED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for September 18, 2002 Page 8 4. DRC NO 3774-02 RAUSO RESIDENCE Add a new porch and kitchen addition 543 E. Almond Avenue (Old Towne Historic District) Staff Contact: Sherman Jones, Associate Planner DRC Action: Final Determination Approved as Consent Item) A motion was made by Committee Member Leonard Filner to approve the project as submitted, based on the findings listed in the staff report. SECOND:Jon Califf AYES:Jon Califf, Leonard Filner, Joe Woollett NOES:None ABSENT:Mark Paone ABSTAINED:Craig Wheeler MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for September 18, 2002 Page 9 5. DRC No. 3778-02 - VALDEZ RETAIL CENTER Removal of an existing wood canopy and addition of a new standing seam metal canopy. 412-420 Lincoln Avenue Staff Contact: Jeffry Rice, Planning Manager DRC Action: Final Determination Ms. Diane Bohack (owner, 1425 E. Adams Ave.) and Mr. Robert Bohack presented the project. Ms. Bohack explained the color scheme and the proposed canopy design. The building is currently painted in "Santa Rosa", with "Yukon Gold" on the wood work and window trims. The proposed color of the awning is "Marine Green". Committee Member Woollett was uncomfortable with approving this project with the submitted plans, which are rudimentary and lacked important details. Committee Member Filner concurred with Committee Chair Woollett concerning the lack of documentation. He felt the drawings submitted insufficiently articulated the proposed existing color ratios and design. Ms. Bohack explained this is her first time through the process, and so she is not aware of what the committee is looking for. Committee Member Wheeler suggested that Ms. Bohack request for a sample of the colors and a detailed drawing of the design with a cross section view from the awning company. This is something that awning manufactures normally provides. Committee Member Califf inquired if there is security lighting in the back of the building. Ms. Bohack explained the vandalism difficulties she has encountered in the neighborhood, and that she has not been able to keep any of the security lighting intact. Committee Member Califf suggested she talks to the Crime Prevention Unit who can give her some suggestions. The committee suggested that the applicant return with detailed drawings of the awning design, samples of the actual colors and material of the awning, drawings that truly represent the color ratio of the building, and more detailed documentation in general. A motion was made by Committee Member Leonard Filner to continue the project. SECOND: Craig Wheeler AYES: Jon Califf, Leonard Filner, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett NOES: None ABSENT: Mark Paone ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for September 18, 2002 Page 10 6. DRC No. 3780-02 - CHAPMAN UNIVERSITY PARKING LOT Landscape plan approval for a parking lot for Chapman University. The proposal includes on-site landscaping, perimeter walls, and site lighting. The project is located in the Old Towne Historical District and subject to the requirements of the City's Old Towne Historical Design Standards. 405 W. Sycamore Avenue (Old Towne Historic District) Staff Contact: Jeffry Rice, Planning Manager SRC Action: Final Determination Mr. Kris Olsen (Chapman University) and Mr. uric Frcemtu~ ((_'athcartlBegii~ Associates, inc.) presented the project. Mr. Olsen explained the need for a parking lot because of the existing parking structure construction and the added population of students and staff. The property is leased for five (5) years because of the school's future projects. Mr. Freeman presented the landscaping plans. He explained that the police department wants the planting materials to be either high or low, so that people can't hide in them. Most of the proposed landscape materials are low shrubs. Mr. Olsen added that the parking lot will be well lit, and the fixtures will be the same as the ones previously used, with the difference of the dark bronze color. Committee Chair Woollett stated that this project would be a great improvement for the Old Towne area. Committee Member Filner inquired why a particular area on the lot is not being landscaped. Mr. Olsen replied it is due to economics. They have already exceeded their budget with all the improvements and upgrades for this project. Committee Member Filner concurred with Chair Woollett that this would be an improvement, however, he is concerned with the southern portion of the parking lot being pavement without any plantings or trees. Committee Member Califf agreed with Committee Member Filner. The committee and the applicant continued to discuss the possible redesign of the lot to accommodate the suggested added plants. City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for September 18, 2002 Page 11 6. DRC No. 3780-02 - CHAPMAN UNIVERSITY PARKING LOT A motion was made by Committee Member Leonard Filner to approve the project based on the findings listed in the staff report, and subject to the following conditions: 1. Increase the vine spacing to ten feet on center. 2. The vine pocket cutouts to be a diamond-shape with a central dimension of eighteen 18") inches minimum, measured from the face of wall to the inside face of header board. The vine pockets shall be provided with adequate bubbler irrigation. 3. Include flowering shrubs at the driveway entrances to the site. 4. Provide a minimum of three (3) trees with curbing around the south central planter area that is currently striped to match the landscaping being proposed in other areas of the parking lot. 5. Submit final landscape and irrigation plans to Community Services Department for approval. Final plans to include City required inspection notes. SECOND: Jon Califf AYES: Jon Califf, Leonard Filner, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett NOES: None ABSENT: Mark Paone ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED N:\C D D\P L N G\Council Commissions Committees\DRC\DRC 2002\09-18-02 drem.doc