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09-17-2003 DRC MinutesCITY OF ORANGE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES Wednesday, September 17, 2003 Committee Members Present: Jon Califf Craig Wheeler Joe Woollett (Chair) Staff in Attendance: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner Committee Member Absent: None Administrative Session - 4:30 P.M. The committee met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 p.m. The meeting adjourned at approximately 6:35 p.m. Regular Session - 5:30 PM REVIEW OF MINUTES: The review and approval of the July 23, 2003, August 6, 2003, August 20, 2003, and September 3, 2003, minutes was deferred to the October 1, 2003, City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for September 17, 2003 Page 2 DRC No. 3833-03 -ROBERT ANDERSON Proposed exterior modifications for an existing 1920 Bungalow residence. 345 N. Harwood Street (Old Towne Historic District) Staff Contact: Dan Ryan, Senior Planner -Historic Preservation DRC Action: Final Determination Continued from 09-03-03 meeting) Dan Ryan, Senior Planner, presented the project (continued from 09/03/03). Mr. Tim Anderson, representing the applicant was at the meeting to answer questions. The Committee went over Scope of Work list requested from the last meeting: The applicant was asked for details of design and material on the rear exterior door. The applicant answered that they were going to keep the same front and back door. Correct plan elevation descriptions and street address. The applicant pointed out that the changes were on the plans. The applicant also stated the elevations had been changed to adjust the north, south, east, and west. Show existing windows to be removed. This was shown on the plans. A description of the window material was needed. The applicant explained that the window material would be wood, double hung, and single paned. Show all locations on elevations where siding was replaced. The applicant provided this on the plans. Have the gable vents been replaced with metal? The applicant answered that they have been, but brought up that in the previous meeting the Committee wanted to see what existed. The applicant said that the existing was the standard wire mesh but if the Committee members wanted to see something else, such as wood, he was open to hearing their opinion. The Committee would like the applicant to replace them with new wood instead of the wire mesh. Modify window trim design. The applicant said that the Committee gave him a detail showing what they wanted to see. Evidently there had been a misunderstanding on exactly what the Committee wanted but the applicant is willing to do whatever is required in regards to the window trim. A discussion followed what was required. Detail fascia intersection at roof on north elevation. The applicant replied that this was an existing item and there when they bought the house. They have done nothing with it. The applicant went ahead and did a detail on what they think would be the best proposed solution for it, which would be to put a new existing fascia, and close off with the siding. The Committee was agreeable with this. Replacement of driveway? The applicant answered that financially at this time, they are unable to replace the driveway with all of the other extensive changes being made. What exists is going to stay until everything else is complete but he agrees it does need a new driveway and it will be replaced at a later date. Committee Chair Woollett wanted the City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for September 17, 2003 Page 3 applicant made aware that when the time came for replacement, it needs to be a ribbon drive. A motion was made by Committee Member Craig Wheeler to approve the project subject to the following conditions: 1. That the gable and vents will be replaced with new wood. 2. That the head trim on all windows and doors be plumb cut at each end rather than the angle cut shown on the drawings. SECOND:Joe Woollett AYES:Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett NOES:None ABSENT:None ABSTAINED:Jon Califf MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for September 17, 2003 Page 4 2. DRC No. 3839-03 - ZELINKA RESIDENCE Proposal to construct 360 sq. ft. bedroom and bathroom, remodel the existing bathroom, and add a 431 sq. ft. basement to an existing 1923 Bungalow residence. 545 East Palmyra Avenue (Old Towne Historic District) Staff Contact: Mario Chavez-Marquez, Assistant Planner DRC Action: Final Determination Continued from 09-03-03 meeting) Mario Chavez-Marquez, Assistant Planner, presented the project (continued from 09-03-03) along with the applicant, Al Zelinka. The Committee questioned which direction the cellar would move when the square footage is increased. The applicant answered that it would be moving north. A discussion followed explaining the addition. Committee Chair Woollett wanted to know what the line of demarcation was on the exterior and what the intention was. The applicant answered that it was the existing corner of the house and they wanted to put a vertical strip of some significant width to delineate the line of demarcation. Committee Member Wheeler suggested it be made the same width as the jambs on the windows and the applicant approved of that idea. Committee Member Wheeler questioned that the floor plans didn't show anything about the existing stairs and they seem to show the stairs going into the house as wider than shown. It was suggested the changes be made to the drawings. Committee Member Wheeler also wanted to clarify a few things: 1. That the end of the roof where it sticks out be framed with the sheathing perpendicular to the wall. 2. That the border eaves will have exposed rafter tails. 3. That the siding corners are mitered to match the existing. 4. That the gable and vents are wood to match the existing. 5. That the windows are true divided lights. A motion was made by Committee Member Craig Wheeler to approve the project subject to the following conditions: 1. That prior to issuance of building permits, the applicant shall pay all applicable development fees, including but not limited to: City sewer connection, Orange County Sanitation District Connection Fee, Transportation System Improvement Program, Fire Facility, Police Facility, Park Acquisition, Sanitation District, and School District, as required. City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for September 17, 2003 Page 5 2. That building permits shall be obtained for all construction work, as required by the City of Orange, Community Development Department's Building Division. Failure to obtain the required building permits will be cause for revocation of this design review permit. 3. That all structures shall comply with the requirements of Municipal Code -Chapter 15.52 (Building Security Standards), which relates to hardware, doors, windows, lighting, etc. (Ord. 7-79). Approved structural drawings shall include sections of the security code that apply. Specifications, details, or security notes may be used to convey the compliance. 4. That the construction of the extended barges be in accordance with historic barge treatment provided in drawing. 5. That the exposed rafter tails (2x3's/2x4's) with larger bargeboards be used on the addition to match the existing. 6. That the siding on the house be mitered at the outside corners. 7. That the gable vents on the new addition shall be wood to match the existing vents on the house. 8. That all new windows be true divided light. 9. That these conditions shall be reprinted on the first page of the construction documents when submitting to the Building Department for the plan check process. SECOND: Joe Woollett AYES: Jon Califf, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for September 17, 2003 Page 6 3. DRC No. 3853 -MARY PARISH Addition to existing 1950's single-family residence 425 N. Pine Street (Old Towne Historic District) Staff Contact: Dan Ryan, Senior Planner -Historic Preservation DRC Action: Final Determination Approved on Consent Calendar A motion was made by Committee Member Craig Wheeler to approve the project subject to the following condition: 1. That the wood wrap, to be put around the column on the front porch, be smooth wood and painted (not rough). SECOND: Jon Califf AYES: Jon Califf, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for September 17, 2003 Page 7 4. DRC No. 3854-03 - CINGULAR WIRELESS Wireless telecommunication antenna and equipment facility on SCE/Serrano Water District property. 6120 East Carver Lane Staff Contact: Mario Chavez-Marquez -Assistant Planner DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission Saundra Jacobs, applicant and Mario Chavez-Marquez, Assistant Planner, presented the project. An item of concern is that there are quite a few easements that run underneath this project area, so the City will have to be very careful with any proposed landscaping and it will be subject to review by the Water Department. They require that any planting material shall be a minimum of 8' away from any underground utility lines. Ms. Jacobs spoke and felt that this should not be a problem with the landscaping and thought they would be able to make it work. Committee Member Craig Wheeler asked who the manufacturer of the stealth pine was? Ms. Jacobs answered that this project had not been decided yet and that she has several vendors that they use. She explained what type of pine they want to put in, which would be a tapered type not bottle brush style) and it needs to have a top on it (not a flat top). At the present it's the old style that's there. The Committee asked how to make sure a "bad pine" isn't put in. Mr. Chavez-Marquez answered that staff is recommending that "the type" is subject to approval once construction has started. Ms. Jacobs also wanted to make a comment that one of the standard conditions is "no chain link fence" and she wanted everyone to understand that the fence that surrounds the two tanks is chain link and not theirs. They will not be adding any chain link but also they are unable to change what is already there. They are proposing exterior cabinets, not a big shelter that may need a roof drainage design. The Committee's concern is how the project impacts the residential neighborhood. City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for September 17, 2003 Page 8 A motion was made by Committee Chair Joe Woollett to recommend approval of the project to the Planning Commission subject to the recommended conditions in the staff report with the exception that Condition No. 7 will be replaced with: That the applicant submit the final pine configuration to staff for approval." SECOND: Craig Wheeler AYES: Jon Califf, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for September 17, 2003 Page 9 5. DRC No. 3855-03 -SPRINT PCS Wireless telecommunication antenna on existing Southern California Edison transmission tower and a 253 sq. ft. equipment facility. 2673 East Meats Avenue Staff Contact: Mario Chavez-Marquez -Assistant Planner DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission Approved on Consent Calendar A motion was made by Committee Member Jon Califf to recommend approval of the project to the Planning Commission as submitted. SECOND: Craig Wheeler AYES: Jon Califf, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for September 17, 2003 Page 10 6. DRC No. 3857-03 -THE VILLAGE AT ORANGE New signage program as part of the comprehensive remodel and expansion of the former Mall of Orange shopping center. The Village at Orange Staff Contact: Chuck Lau -Associate Planner DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission Chuck Lau, Associate Planner introduced Cynthia Lima, Superior Electrical Advertising representing the applicant) and proceeded to present the project. Committee Chair Joe Woollett asked if the project had any changes? Ms. Lima said there was no changes with the exception of the ground lights have been eliminated with the directional signage. The intent was to use a reflective vinyl, so at night they are visible by vehicle headlights (these are the `C' series signs). Chair Woollett asked about the C-2 signage (a piece of aluminum, 1/8" thick) and wondered how this material, spanning 6', could go undamaged by children, wind, etc. Ms. Lima explained that on this project, they are a bit taller than on projects you may see elsewhere where people can jump up and touch them. In regards to wind, everything has been calculated already by the Engineers to sustain high winds. Committee Member Craig Wheeler also had some suggestions on C-1 and C-2. On C-1 the trellis-like canopy, is only attached by connection of a post to one of the trellis members. He believes that although it maybe fine structurally, visually it would be better to run a beam across as on other signs to give some mass and reason for supporting the curved members. It would look better and also be stronger. On C-2 it looks like the post is just connected to a couple of little trellis bars rather than have a beam that extends across. A discussion followed regarding the beams. Committee Member Wheeler also had a question regarding signs A-2 in regards to which way the signs faced? Ms. Jacobs stated the signs he was asking about would be facing Canal. Chair Woollett had a question about the lighting. A discussion followed. City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for September 17, 2003 Page 11 A motion was made by Committee Chair Joe Woollett to recommend approval of the project to the Planning Commission as submitted. SECOND: Jon Califf AYES: Jon Califf, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED N:\C D D\P L N G\Council Commissions Committees\DRC\DRC 09-17-03 drem.doc