09-04-2002 DRC MinutesCITY OF ORANGE
DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE
MINUTE S
Wednesday, September 4, 2002
Committee Members Present: Alice Angus
Leonard Filner (Vice Chair)
Mark Paone
Joe Woollett (Chair)
Staff in Attendance: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner
Howard Morris, Landscape Coordinator
Khanh Le, Recording Secretary
Committee Member Absent: None
Administrative Session - 4:30 P.M.
The committee met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 p.m. The meeting adjourned
at approximately 9:30 p.m.
Regular Session - 5:30 PM
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1. DRC No. 3629-02 -MAIN STREET MEDICAL
Revised signage program for a new medical office complex.
230 S. Main Street
Staff Contact: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner
Final Determination
Ms. Moira Boynton of Gannon Design (306 S. Glassell #A, Orange) presented the project. The
sign is proposed to be at a height of thirty-six inches (36") instead of the previously approved
twenty-four inches (24") to allow the graphics and names of tenants to fit on the building wall.
The committee did not raise any concerns with this request.
The meeting was opened for public comments: (None)
A motion was made by Committee Member Mark Paone to approve the project as submitted,
based on the findings listed in the staff report.
SECOND: Alice Angus
AYES: Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Mark Paone, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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2. DRC No. DRC 3686 - JEANETTE RESIDENCE
Window modification request.
324 N. Cleveland Street (Old Towne Historic District)
Staff Contact: Daniel Ryan
DRC Action: Final Determination
Original project approved on November 21, 2001)
Mr. Patrick Jeannette (324 N. Cleveland St., Orange) and Staff Member Dan Ryan introduced
the project. Mr. Jeannette explained that they would like to add a new window to the existing
approved bungalow residence. He added that an architect did a study and found that window
will help with energy conservation and will also help with ventilation.
Committee Member Angus wanted to know if the window is proposed to be a fixed or an open-
and-close window, in which Mr. Jeannette replied that it could be either.
The meeting was opened for public comments:
Mr. Jeff Frankel (384 S. Orange St., Orange) asking if the material of window will be wood. Mr.
Jeannette replied that the material would be consistent with the current windows.
Ms. Janet Crenshaw (464 N. Shaffer, Orange) commented that the window looks off center on
the blueprint. Mr. Jeannette replied that it is, but it is being lined up with the window below.
Mr. Jeannette stated that he would also like to remove the existing fake vent.
Committee Member Paone stated that removal of the vent would be the best solution. Other
committee members concurred.
A motion was made by Committee Member Mark Paone to approve the project based on the
findings listed in the staff report, and subject to the following conditions:
1. Remove the fake vent above the new window.
2. The new window shall be aligned with the window below.
3. The size and proportion of the window to be reviewed and approved by City Historic
Preservation staff.
SECOND: Leonard Filner
AYES: Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Mark Paone, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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3. DRC No. 3716-02 - CINGULAR WIRELESS
Installation of a stealth wireless communication antenna and associated equipment
cabinets within an underground vault.
123 E. Collins Avenue
Staff Contact: Mario Chavez-Marquez, Assistant Planner
DRC Action: Final Determination
Staff Member Chavez-Marquez presented the project with the applicant, Mr. Brian Stotelmeyer
5440 Trabuco Rd.). The applicant is proposing to install a stealth wireless communication
antenna and associated equipment cabinets within an underground vault and to improve the
surrounding landscaping area. He also explained that the specific site was chosen based on
Department of Public Work's future plans of widening the street.
Committee Member Angus asked about trunk diameter of mono-palm, if it's comparable to the
date palms.
Mr. Stotelmeyer replied that it is roughly twenty inches (20") in diameter and it tapers off to
match a real tree.
Committee Vice Chair Filner asked if the actual design is a Date Palm and if it will be the only
Date Palm in the area, in which Mr. Stotelmeyer confirmed.
Committee Vice Chair Filner also asked what is the depth of the vault below the ground, since
there will be Palm trees planted right above the vault.
Mr. Stotelmeyer replied that he was not sure, but is confident that architect and landscape
architect will ensure that the location would adequate space for Palm tree growth.
The committee concluded that they would like to get more detailed information is needed in
order to proceed further with this project.
Committee Member Paone expressed concern about the artificial tree being so much taller (20')
than the real trees. He suggested possibly using the location at the southwest corner instead.
Committee Chair Woollett also had these same sentiments.
Mr. Stotelmyer explained that the reason for the proposed height of the real trees was so that the
trees will grow to the proportional height of the fake tree in the future. He also explained that he
has looked at the idea of putting the site at the corner, but because of the future proposed street
widening by public works, which could pose some problems, he decided against the idea.
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3. DRC No. 3716-02 - CINGULAR WIRELESS (Continued
After some further discussion, the committee concluded they would require more information
concerning the location/depth of the vault, the height of the proposed trees, the discrepancy of
the types of palm trees on the plan, and the possibility of moving the mono-palm antenna to the
corner of the lot, in relation to the parking requirements.
A motion was made by Committee Vice-Chair Leonard Filner to continue the project per the
above discussion.
SECOND: Mark Paone
AYES: Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Mark Paone, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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4. DRC No. 3763-02 - LAURO AND DELORES SERRATOS
New single-family residence on a vacant parcel in Old Towne.
451 S. Pine Street (Old Towne Historic District)
Staff Contact: Daniel Ryan, Senior Planner -Historic Preservation
DRC Action: Final Determination
Staff Member Daniel Ryan and the applicants Lesslie Blanchard (Santa Ana, CA) and Architect
Jon M. Califf (1440 E. Mayfair, Orange) presented the project. Mr. Ryan explained that Mr.
Califf is the architect for both projects, this one and DRC No. 3764-02. Mr. Ryan reiterated the
details in the staff report and also added that the architect did an excellent job presenting the
project, it was well submitted and documented. Mr. Ryan added that the staff did have some
concerns with the project as follows:
Minor reduction of the dormer height.
Replace the metal roll-up sectional garage door.
Some horizontal sliding windows that may require some attention.
The meeting was opened for public comments:
Mr. Jeff Frankel (384 S. Orange St., Orange) expressing it looks like a great addition to
the neighborhood.
Ms. Janet Crenshaw (464 N. Shaffer, Orange) commented that it looks like a good
solution for this odd shaped lot.
Committee Member Angus asked why the applicant chose sliding windows.
Mr. Califf explained the sliding windows were chosen because of the proportions.
Committee Member Paone asked if the applicant is willing to modify the roof pitch.
Mr. Califf replied that it could be done, but what is shown on the blueprint may not precise. He
would verify with staff later.
A motion was made by Committee Mark Paone to approve the project based on the findings
listed in the staff report, and subject to the following conditions:
1) The peak of the dormer on the south elevation to have at least eighteen inches (18") of
spacing between it's peak and the adjoining ridge line;
2) All windows shall be double-hung, Koper, or similar type window.
3) The metal roll-up sectional garage door is approved.
SECOND: Joe Woollett
AYES: Alice Angus, Mark Paone, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: Leonard Filner
MOTION CARRIED
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5. DRC No.3764-02 - MIGUEL AND LAURA DE LA ROSA
New single-family residence on a vacant parcel in Old Towne.
439 S. Pine Street (Old Towne Historic District)
Staff Contact: Daniel Ryan, Senior Planner -Historic Preservation
DRC Action: Final Determination
Staff Member Ryan and the applicants Leslie Blanchard (Santa Ana, CA) and Jon M Califf
1440 E. Mayfair, Orange) presented this project in conjunction with the earlier project.
The meeting was opened for public comments:
Mr. Jeff Frankel (384 S. Orange St., Orange), asked about the square footage of the residence, in
which Mr. Ryan replied it is approximately 1,300 sq.ft. in size
A motion was made by Committee Member Mark Paone to approve the project based on the
findings listed in the staff report, and subject to the following conditions:
1. All windows shall be double-hung, hoper, or similar type window.
2. The metal roll-up sectional garage door is approved.
SECOND: Joe Woollett
AYES: Alice Angus, Mark Paone, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: Leonard Filner
MOTION CARRIED
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6. DRC No. 3765-02 -DRAWER BOX SPECIALTIES
Installation of a dust collection system along the west side of the property.
1482 N. Batavia Street
Staff Contact: Mario Chavez-Marquez, Assistant Planner
DRC Action: Final Determination
Mr. Glen Blankenship (1226 W. Barkley Ave., Orange) and Staff Member Chavez-Marquez
presented the project. The applicant is proposing to install a dust collection system on the north
side of the property. It will be setback about forty (40) feet from Batavia. The height of the
system is forty-two (42) feet and it will be about twelve and one-half (12.5) feet higher than the
existing roof structure. The applicant is proposing to paint the equipment to match the adjoining
buildings; it will be similar in color with darker tones.
The applicant and the committee discussed the color scheme of the system, the building, the
ladder, and the surrounding structures in further detail.
A motion was made by Committee Member Mark Paone to approve the project based on the
findings listed in the staff report, and subject to the following conditions:
1. Modify Condition No. 2 in the staff report to read that the unit shall be painted with the
pipe rail blue to match the blue stripe and the ladder; the lower trash collector to be the
white wall color of the building; and the upper sheet metal and its support to be the
darker color of the blue building.
SECOND: Leonard Filner
AYES: Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Mark Paone, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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7. DRC No. 3766-02 - IN-N-OUT BURGER RETAIL CENTER (PHASE I OF II)
Development of a new fast-food restaurant with a drive through lane and overall site
improvements.
2585 N. Tustin Street
Staff Contact: Mario Chavez-Marquez, Assistant Planner
DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission
Staff Member Mario Chavez-Marquez, Mr. Dann Mikkelsen (2490 N. Glassell St., Orange) and
Mr. Mark Lamoureux of MSL Engineering Inc. (402 W. Arrow Highway, Suite #4, San Dimas,
CA 91773) presented the project. The applicant is proposing:
To demolish the existing restaurant and redevelop with new buildings;
To remove all the trees on the premises, except two-some Sycamores and Eucalyptus;
To redevelop the entire site with new landscaping and new parking layout;
To request for a reduction in required parking spaces because two (2) of the restaurants
will be drive-through restaurants;
To keep two (2) existing freestanding signs, increasing the height of one (1);
To add a new landscaping plan.
Mr. Chavez-Marquez continued to explain that the process only requires DRC to look at the In-
N-Out building for tonight.
The applicant answered questions from the committee, concerning the pavement color, the type
of treatment on the building, the elevation of the building, and the material for the roof.
A motion was made by Committee Member Mark Paone to recommend approval of the project
to the Planning Commission based on the findings listed in the staff report, and subject to the
following conditions:
1. The proposed bike racks shall be relocated in areas easily accessible and near main
entrances to the proposed restaurants.
2. The applicant shall revise the landscaping plan to incorporate a landscape component to
the future restaurant/retail building along the west side.
3. Prior to the final building permit inspection, the applicant shall provide verification for
review and approval by the Community Services, or designee, that the proposed tree
removal complies with the City's Tree Preservation Ordinance and permits have been
obtained.
4. The proposed split-face block shall be changed to a sandblasted precision block with dark
aggregates.
5. The proposed the roof shall be changed to metal standing seam roof.
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7. DRC No. 3766-02 - IN-N-OUT BURGER RETAIL CENTER (PHASE I OF II) Continued
6. Prior to issuance of building permits, decorative lights shall be added to all sides of the
building in order to improve the safety of these areas. The Planning Division shall verify
the lighting on the building plans prior to issuance of the building permits.
7. Add three (3) trees along the main entrance driveway to match the three existing trees on
the adjacent property.
8. Submit final landscape and irrigation plans to Community services Department for
approval. Final plans to include City required inspection notes.
SECOND: Joe Woollett
AYES: Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Mark Paone, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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8. DRC No.3768-02 -TIM AND CHERYL LAMBERTH
New 494 sq.ft. room addition with a basement at the rear of an existing 1924 Bungalow
residence.
618 W. Culver Avenue (Old Towne Historic District)
Staff Contact: Daniel Ryan, Senior Planner -Historic Preservation
DRC Action: Final Determination
Staff Member Mr. Daniel Ryan, Mr. Tim Lamberth, and Mrs. Cheryl Lamberth (618 W. Culver
Ave., Orange) presented the project. The applicant is proposing to add a room with a basement
to the existing residence. This would raise the roof by three (3) feet, but will not change any
street patterns. There will an addition of three (3) fireplaces; the applicant would like to reuse
some of the windows in back.
Mr. Ryan and the committee discussed a couple of recommendations from staff:
Adding two (2) feet to the plan; but because of parking requirement, this addition was
eliminated.
Changing the stone to brick at the base of the house; this issue was postponed for later
discussion.
Public participation included:
Mr. Jeff Frankel (384 S. Orange St., Orange) stated that it is nice to see someone adding a
basement instead of building up.
Ms. Janet Crenshaw (464 N. Shaffer, Orange) concurred with Mr. Frankel.
The committee and applicant resumed the discussion concerning the material; brick, stone,
masonry, etc. for the chimney and the base of the chimney.
A couple of options were explored for the design and material of the basement and the area
between the basement and the base of the house, including: masonry, wood, light brick, concrete,
block-design concrete.
Committee member Paone asked the applicant for the material of the skylight, in which the
applicant replied that it will be glass, flat, low profile, and on the east side of the property.
A motion was made by Committee Member Mark Paone to approve the project based on the
findings listed in the staff report, and subject to the following conditions:
1. Delete the proposed two-foot extension on the east wall of the living room.
2. Revise the design of the fireplaces and chimneys to reflect the Bungalow style to include
a centered and aligned firebox that is in proportion with the chase, include exterior
concrete or brick caps at the smoke shelf.
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8. DRC No.3768-02 -TIM AND CHERYL LAMBERTH (Continued
3. Change the cultured stone veneer material proposed for both of the fireplaces and
chimneys to standard brick.
4. Provide a sample brick and details of the type and finish of the mortar joint.
5. Provide a minimum of (6) six inches of siding separating between the two recycled wood
windows on the east elevation of the bedroom.
6. Skylight shall be flat low-profile design.
7. Provide additional design details on the proposed tapered front porch columns.
8. Provide wood French sliding doors on the east elevation.
9. All siding, trim, windows, brackets be matching wood material, profile and finish as the
existing residence.
10. exposed basement foundation wall shall be reviewed by City's Historic Preservation staff
for one of the following approved options: 1) Board-form finish concrete, or 2) Parget
finish with a large scale block pattern.
SECOND: Leonard Filner
AYES: Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Mark Paone, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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9. DRC No. 3770-02 -MALL OF ORANGE
Remodel and expansion of an existing regional shopping center (Mall of Orange).
2114 - 2318 N. Tustin Street
Staff Contact: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner
DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission
Brad LaRue with Rawson, Blum & Leon, and Tal Jackson with Land Arc West presented the
project. Mr. Jackson explained the landscaping plans to the committee, using the pictures and
blueprints for illustrations.
Committee Member Paone expressed concern with the height of the trees at the entrance points.
The committee and applicant discussed the possibility of varying heights for the Palm trees at
various locations on the lot.
Mr. LaRue explained that because of signage and visibility issues for the tenants, the applicant is
proposing the height of the trees to be higher.
The committee members reached a consensus, stating that the DRC is willing to recommend
approval of the project to the Planning Commission, if the applicant would agree on certain
guidelines for the type and size of the trees.
A motion was made by Committee Vice Chair Leonard Filner to recommend approval of the
project to the Planning Commission with the following conditions:
1. The eight (8) Date Palms at the main entrance within the circular portion shall be
minimum thirty (30) foot brown trunk height. The remaining Date Palms in front of the
building facade shall be minimum twenty (20) foot brown truck height. The height
difference between the two groups of Palms shall be eight (8) foot to ten (10) foot
minimum.
2. The Washingtonia Palms within the courtyard area and along the secondary entrances
shall be minimum fifteen (15) foot brown trunk height, skinned.
3. The Crape Myrtles along Tustin Street shall be minimum fifteen (15) gallon size.
4. The Crape Myrtles within the median island along the main entrance shall be minimum
twenty-four (24) inch box size.
5. The two (2) evergreen signature canopy trees shall be a minimum of sixty (60) inch box
size, multi-trunked.
6. The shrubs along on Canal Street shall be a combination of Privet; and where there is
adequate planting space, offset with a Dwarf Lscallonia.
7. The main entrance off Canal Street shall be planted with a hierarchy of tall shrubs and
evergreens; stepping down to perennial colors in the foreground, mixed with annual
colors. A11 other entrance points shall be planted with a taller evergreen shrub with a low
perennial flowering shrub in front.
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10. DRC No. 3770-02 -MALL OF ORANGE (Continued
8. Submit final landscape and irrigation plans to Community Services Department staff for
approval. Final plans to include City required inspection notes.
The recommendation for approval was based on the finding that the project design upholds
community aesthetics through the use of an internally consistent, integrated design theme and is
consistent with all adopted specific plans, applicable design standards and their required
findings.
SECOND: Mark Paone
AYES: Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Mark Paone, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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10. DRC No. 3772-02 -SUSAN VERBURG
New fireplace/chimney and front window for an existing 1923 Bungalow residence.
231 N. Cambridge Street (Old Towne Historic District)
Staff Contact: Daniel Ryan, Senior Planner -Historic Preservation
DRC Action: Final Determination
Approved as Consent Item)
A motion was made by Committee Member Mark Paone to approve the project as submitted,
based on the findings listed in the staff report.
SECOND: Leonard Filner
AYES: Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Mark Paone, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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