08-21-2002 DRC MinutesCITY OF ORANGE
DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE
MINUTES
Wednesday, August 21, 2002
Committee Members Present: Alice Angus
Leonard Filner (Vice Chair)
Joe Woollett (Chair)
Staff in Attendance: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner
Howard Morris, Landscape Coordinator
Khanh Le, Recording Secretary
Committee Member Absent: Mark Paone
Administrative Session - 4:30 P.M.
The committee met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 p.m. The meeting adjourned
at approximately 9:20 p.m.
Regular Session - 5:30 PM
REVIEW OF MINUTES:
A motion was made by Committee Member Alice Angus to approve the June 19, 2002 minutes
subject to the following corrections:
DRC #3614 - Greg & Marilynn Early page 2 paragraph, sentence1 amended as follows:
Committee Chair Woollett explained that +"°„ ^r° +^ ^.~.+r°°.. the DRC will be addressing the
landscaping today; and the+r the DRC's concern had to do with the project as it was previously
proposed to mitigating the back of the building, primarily as viewed from the southeast.
DRC #3730 -Barbara Frey page 5 paragraph 7, sentence 1 amended as follows:
Committee Member Paone added that he believes the Brown Act pertains to this action's^'r..~es
ter-.,c row?,Jo^^o, which has its own guidelines.
Page 7 paragraph 8, sentence 1 amended as follows:
He also added that he concurs with Committee Member Paone about the staircase, which +t
does not fit with the period.
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Meeting Minutes for August 21, 2002
Page 2
DRC 3743 -Salon Rebelle page 8, paragraph 5, sentence 2 amended as follows:
In this particular case, the letterings are smaller than that, and it would require ~ .,,~tTA~oe
a variance to allow letterings smaller than that, and the City #a~e has approved fhat smaller
letterings in the past.
SECOND:Joe Woollett
AYES:Alice Angus, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:Mark Paone
ABSTAINED:Leonard Filner
MOTION CARRIED
A motion was made by Committee Member Leonard Filner to approve the July 10, 2002
minutes subject to the following corrections:
DRC 3733 - Cingular Wireless page 10 paragraph 1, sentence 2 amended as follows:
Ms. Mc Donald explained that Cingular is proposing to install s+x a flagpeles flagpole, sixty-five
65) feet tall each, and to remove the old flagpole that has cracks in the foundation.
DRC 3752 -Sprint PCS page 4 paragraph 1, sentence 2 amended as follows:
He also explained that they are in the same situation as Cingular, not having enough coverage
with the current antennas, so they are proposing to add new antennas on an existing pales pole.
SECOND:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
ABSTAINED
Alice Angus
Alice Angus, Leonard
None
Mark Paone
None
Filner, Joe Woollett
MOTION CARRIED
Review and approval of the July 24, 2002 meeting minutes was deferred to the September 4,
2002 meeting.
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Page 3
DRC No. DRC 3686 - JEANETTE RESIDENCE
Window modification request.
324 N. Cleveland Street (Old Towne Historic District)
Staff Contact: Daniel Ryan
DRC Action: Final Determination
Original project approved on November 21, 2001)
Applicant not present)
A motion was made by Committee Chair Joe Woollett to continue the project.
SECOND:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
ABSTAINED
Leonard Filner
Alice Angus, Leonard
None
Mark Paone
None
Filner, Joe Woollett
MOTION CARRIED
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Page 4
2. DRC No. 3701 - HANVEY RESIDENCE
Proposed 483 sq. ft. addition at the rear of 1919 Hip Roof Cottage.
273 N. Cleveland Street (Old Towne Historic District)
Staff Contact: Daniel Ryan -Senior Planner, Historic Preservation
DRC Action: Final Determination
Approved as Consent Item)
A motion was made by Committee Member Alice Angus to approve the project based on the
findings listed in the staff report, and subject the following conditions:
1. All siding, trim, windows, brackets be matching wood material, profile and finish as the
existing residence.
2. Roofing material shall match in color, profile and material as the main roof of the
residence.
3. Submit final landscape plans to community Services Department staff for approval, prior
to issuance of building permits. (Final plans to include City required inspection notes)
SECOND:Leonard Filner
AYES:Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:Mark Paone
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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Page 5
3. DRC No. 3730 -BARBARA FREY
Proposed 592 sq. ft. addition at the rear of 1909 Victorian residence.
405 S. Grand Street (Old Towne Historic District)
Staff Contact: Daniel Ryan -Senior Planner, Historic Preservation
DRC Action: Final Determination
Continued from 6-19-02 meeting, preliminary comments only)
Mr. Jack McGee -Planning Consultant, presented the project. Ms. Barbara Frey and Mr.
Richard Anderson (128 S. Glassell, Orange) were also present. Mr. McGee explained the
reconfiguration of spaces within the structure of the proposal and other changes to the previous
proposal, including changes to the elevation, the roof configuration, and the material of the
windows.
Mr. McGee noted that he and the applicant is agreeable to the conditions and recommendations
of the staff report except for the request to add the diamond-shaped pattern to the windows. He
explained this would add significant cost. Also, the current diamond-shaped pattern windows
are only on the upper level on the front facade of the house.
The meeting was opened to the public:
Mr. Jeff Frankel, 384 S. Orange St., stating that the project proposal looks good.
Committee Member Angus stated that she is happy with the design, and that she feels the
diamond-pattern windows condition may not be necessary.
Committee Member Filner concurred with Committee Member Angus.
A motion was made by Committee Member Leonard Filner to approve the project based on the
findings listed in the staff report, and with the following conditions:
1. Provide door pattern details for staff approval for the rear exterior door and the utility
door at the southwest corner of the proposed studio addition.
2. Provide detail section drawings to match existing architectural elements of the proposed
addition including: curved bargeboards, ornamental brackets, horizontal banding, and
eave brackets.
3. All siding, trim, windows, brackets shall be of matching wood material, profile and finish
as the existing residence.
4. Roofing material shall match in color, profile and material as the main roof of the
residence.
SECOND:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
ABSTAINED
Alice Angus
Alice Angus, Leonard
None
Mark Paone
None
Filner, Joe Woollett
MOTION CARRIED
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4. DRC No. 3734 -SYCAMORE PLAZA MEDICAL OFFICE
New 20,450 sq. ft. two-story medical office building and the relocation of an existing
1919 Craftsman residence to the southwest corner of Culver Avenue and Clark Street.
411 S. Batavia Street (Old Towne Historic District)
Staff Contact: Daniel Ryan -Senior Planner, Historic Preservation
DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission
Continued from 7-10-02 & 7-24-02 meetings)
Mr. Mike Harrison (201 Paularino Ave, Costa Mesa), Mr. William Skinner (3185 Fairway Ave,
Costa Mesa) and Mr. Clarence Turner (201 Paularino Ave, Costa Mesa) were present. Mr.
Harrison recapped the proposal up-to-date using a power point presentation. He then moved
on to show the revised elevation of garage, tandem parking, and site plan. He addressed the
submitted information in details for approval, details included:
Revised proposal of the apartment building, including the floor plan, tandem parking, and
site plan, and landscape plan.
Site plan and landscape plan for the medical office building.
The redesign of the four (4) entry points of the medical building, adding much emphasis,
as suggested by Committee Member Paone during the last meeting.
Details of the recesses of the windows.
Pictures of the parking lot lighting and the scones for the entry ways.
Framing for the sides of the medical building.
Public participation included:
1. Ms. Janet Crenshaw (464 N. Shaffer) stating that this plan gets better and better. She
also asked if all the windows recessed, in which the answer is "yes".
2. Mr. Jeff Frankel asked if the garage apartment is larger than the previous proposal, in
which the answer is "yes".
3. Ms. Debra Lawles (2324 N. Rosewood Ave, Santa Ana, CA) from the Ronald Mc Donald
House wanted to express her support for the project.
Committee Member Filner wanted to note for the record that even though he was not present for
the previous meetings, he has received the full package of information and has read and
understood the proposal as to date. Therefore, he is able to participate on this project.
Committee Chair Woollett commented that he is happy to see the additional five (5) feet space
added to the lot.
Committee Member Filner also asked if the proposed residential structure is larger compared to
the other homes in the area.
Mr. Harrison replied that it is.
The committee and the applicant discussed the design of the entrance to the house. Mr.
Harrison explained that although the proposed design is unusual, it follows the architectural
style of the time.
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4. DRC No. 3734 -SYCAMORE PLAZA MEDICAL OFFICE (Continued)
The committee and the applicant also discussed the design of medical office building as follows:
The framing and pop-out design on the building is made of foam, painted, covered with a
fiberglass skin and applied on the surface. The color schemes were presented.
Committee Chair Woollett noted that the smooth finish of plaster will show cracks and
may look like concrete. Mr. Skinner replied that by using plaster paint, it will alleviate
any problems cracks.
The parapet roof must be sufficient in height to screen the mechanical equipments.
Committee Member Filner felt that everything seem cramped on the site plan. There are
four entrances, but there is not any one entrance that looks like it is the main entrance to
the building. Mr. Harrison explained that the sycamore trees, the rod-iron element on
the design, and the wider landscape section on the sides will serve to accentuate the
main entrance.
Committee Chair Woollett suggested possibly shifting the planters at the two side
entrances, and also paving the area in concrete to extend the entrance. Both Mr.
Harrison and Committee Member Filner were open to the suggestion.
The design of the canopy in relation to the handicap parking spaces was discussed.
Committee Member Filner reiterated to the applicant that 25 percent of the trees must be
24-inch box size or larger, with the remaining trees at minimum 15-gallon size.
There are advantages and disadvantages with the use of different types of exterior paint
finishes; smooth versus textured.
Committee Member Angus stated that there is a dilemma in the project, noting that although the
site plan and garage look well done, she is concerned with the variance request needed for the
tandem garage parking arrangement. She would like to abstain from voting on this project.
A motion was made by Committee Chair Joe Woollett to recommend approval of the project to
the Planning Commission based on the findings listed in the staff report and with the following
conditions:
1. The applicant to explore the possibility of having a textured exterior finish for the medical
office building.
2. The planter islands on the north and south entrances to the medical office building to be
shifted to the west side of the handicap parking stalls.
3. The handicap parking stalls on the north and south entrances to the medical office
building to be paved with concrete.
4. Prior to issuance of building permits, submit final landscape plans to Design Review
Committee for review and approval.
SECOND:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
ABSTAINED
Leonard Filner
Leonard Filner, Joe Woollett
None
Mark Paone
Alice Angus
MOTION CARRIED
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5. DRC No. 3750 -WOODS RESIDENCE
Construction of a 1-1/2 story, 400 sq. ft. addition at rear of 1911 Transitional Style
residence.
713 E. Palmyra Avenue (Old Towne Historic District)
Staff Contact: Daniel Ryan -Senior Planner, Historic Preservation
DRC Action: Final Determination
Mr. Andie G. Tardif (521 E. Washington Ave.) and Mr. George J. Woods (P.O. Box 631 Laguna
Beach, CA 92652) presented the project. Mr. Tardif explained that the applicant would like to
increase the size of residence at the rear of the building.
Mr. Tardif and the committee members discussed the shared driveway, the easement, and the
property line in detail.
The meeting was opened for public comments:
Mr. Jeff Frankel (384 S. Orange St.) who stated that the proposal looks good.
Committee Member Angus raised concerns with the existing deck adjacent to the back of the
property, the committee discussed the possibility of removing the deck, paving the area, or
leaving it as a grass area.
Committee Member Filner expressed concerns with the amount of paving in the front of the
building. Mr. Woods stated that he would also like to see more grass and less pavement.
Committee Chair Woollett addressed the shed roof. Mr. Ryan and Committee Chair Woollett
discussed the application of the material in the re-roofing, agreeing that as long as the new and
old material will be flushed. The size of the shed roof should also be reduced by three (3)
inches.
Mr. Tardif stated that the applicant would like to use the existing door. Committee Chair
Woollett agreed to that, specifying that as long as the door is serviceable.
A motion was made by Committee Member Alice Angus to approve the project based on the
findings listed in the staff report, and with the following conditions:
1. All siding, trim, windows, brackets be matching wood material, profile and finish as the
existing residence.
2. Provide a clearance of three (3) inches minimum on each side between the shed roof of
the dormer and the edge of the hip roof.
3. New roofing shall match in color, profile and material as the main roof of the residence.
4. New roofing shall be flushed with some interlacing of the shingle material, with the option
of either jutting out of the walls or creating a demarcation line with a batten strip on the
exterior with some type of interior change in plane.
5. Eliminate the proposed brick paving adjacent to the front residence, and relocate the
parking space to an area adjacent to the second dwelling unit at the rear.
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5. DRC No. 3750 -WOODS RESIDENCE (Continued)
6. The newly created parking spaces and driveway area may be paved with concrete
instead of the proposed brick paving.
SECOND:Leonard Filner
AYES:Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:Mark Paone
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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Page 10
6. DRC No. 3758 - HARB RESIDENCE
Proposed 915 sq. ft. addition at the rear of a 1-1/2 story, 1906 Bungalow
246 N. Orange Street (Old Towne Historic District)
Staff Contact: Daniel Ryan -Senior Planner, Historic Preservation
Application for Variance 2111-02 to allow construction of an addition without bring site
into conformance with the parking requirements (minimum 2 space garage).
DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission
Mr. Robert Imboden (45 Plaza Square, Orange, CA 92866) and the owners John and Deanne
Harb (246 N. Orange) presented the project. Mr. Imboden explained that the rear elevation of
the house is a menagerie of different reconstructions in the past. The purpose of the proposal is
to assemble the different reconstructions and also to utilize the attic space. Mr. Imboden
walked the committee through the site plan and the elevation of the proposal, using the blueprint
presented for illustration.
Public participation included a question from Mr. Jeff Frankel concerning whether the windows
will all be wooden, in which the applicant answered yes. Mr. Frankel also added that he is in
favor of retaining the historic garage.
Committee Member Angus asked if the applicant can address the new dormer.
Mr. Imboden replied to the request by using the blueprint to show the proposal.
Committee Member Angus commended the applicant for doing a good job on this project.
A motion was made by Committee Member Leonard Filner to recommend approval of the
project to the Planning Commission as submitted, based on the findings listed in the staff report.
SECOND:Alice Angus
AYES:Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:Mark Paone
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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7. DRC No. 3761 - ALBERTSONS
Proposed freestanding sign for a new Albertson/Savon store.
4550 E. Chapman Avenue (south side of Chapman Avenue approximately 200 feet east
of Hewes Street)
Staff Contact: Christopher Carnes, Senior Planner
DRC Action: Final Determination
Approved as Consent Item)
A motion was made by Committee Member Alice Angus to approve the project as submitted,
based on the findings listed in the staff report.
SECOND:Leonard Filner
AYES:Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:Mark Paone
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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8. DRC No. 3767 - EL POLLO LOCO
Proposal to fill in a portion of the front and rear walls for a new corporate image to all
their existing stores and add new signs.
1519 West Chapman Avenue (within the Southwest Project Area)
Staff Contact: Mario Chavez-Marquez, Assistant Planner
DRC Action: Final Determination
Approved as Consent Item)
A motion was made by Committee Member Alice Angus to approve the project based on the
findings listed in the staff report, and with the following conditions:
1. The sign face area shall be reduced to thirty (30) sq.ft. to comply with the minimum code
requirement.
SECOND: Leonard Filner
AYES: Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: Mark Paone
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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9. DRC No. 3769 - EL POLLO LOCO
Proposal to fill in a portion of the front and rear walls for a new corporate image to all
their existing stores and add new signs.
1611 East Katella Avenue (within the Tustin Street Design Standards)
Staff Contact: Mario Chavez-Marquez, Assistant Planner
DRC Action: Final Determination
Approved as Consent Item)
A motion was made by Committee Member Alice Angus to approve the project as submitted,
based on the findings listed in the staff report.
SECOND:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
ABSTAINED
Leonard Filner
Alice Angus, Leonard
None
Mark Paone
None
Filner, Joe Woollett
MOTION CARRIED
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10. DRC No. 3770-02 -MALL OF ORANGE REMODEL
Proposed conceptual site, architectural, and landscaping plans for the expansion and
remodel of the Mall of Orange.
2114-2318 North Tustin Street (subject to the design standards contained in the Tustin
Street Design Standards)
Staff Contact: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner
Applications for Major Site Plan Review No. 244-02 for construction of approximately
34,000 sq. ft. addition and Negative Declaration No. 1703-02 to evaluate the
environmental impacts of the proposal.
DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission
Mr. Brad La Rue from Rawson, Blum & Leon, new owners of the mall, Mr. William P. Engle,
Architect (Callison - 695 Town Center Dr., Suite 170, Costa Mesa, CA 92626), and Mr. Tal
Jackson (Land Arc West, 1400 Quail St. #255, Newport Beach, CA 9266) presented the
project.
Mr. Engle explained the goal in redesigning the mall is to create a new identity and create an
environment that the community could identify with. He used pictures to illustrate the intent of
the project, with the locations of the anchor tenants and other retailers. The theme is to make
the mall pedestrian friendly, opening up the plaza, and to give the project an urban look and
flow. They want to convey to the community that this is "a home away from home" because of
all the patio space and terraces. The concentration is on aesthetics. The material used are all
natural materials-tiles, stucco on the wall systems, stone accent, etc. Mr. Engle also explained
the concentration the entrances to the mall from the street and the traffic circulation. The idea is
to make the entrances inviting. There is also a new semi-circular drop-off/pick-up area at the
front entrance to the mall.
Committee Chair Woollett asked if the committee will see a more detailed plan of the project, if it
is recommended for approval to the Planning Commission. He is concerned with how to define
a design concept so that it is consistent throughout the development process.
Committee Member Angus explained that the committee may add a condition of approval that
the applicant submit final plans back to the DRC with the details.
Mr. Engle explained that because of the timing of the project, the design concept being
presented is what will be drawn and built. However, depending on who the retailers will be, the
exact size and configuration of the new tenant spaces may fluctuate slightly, but the overall
design concept and site layout will fall within the parameters of this proposal.
Mr. Tal Jackson explained the preliminary landscape plans, using the pictures as illustrations.
He discussed the main entrance drive, desiring to make it into a grand entrance by lining it with
palms on either side. He also explained other details concerning the planting materials in the
parking lot area.
Committee Member Filner asked if there are any plans to standardize the parking lot trees.
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10. DRC No. 3770-02 -MALL OF ORANGE REMODEL (Continued)
Mr. Engle explained that they have researched this issue, but found that although there is a
variety of existing trees, the proposal does not require removal of any of the trees. The idea is
to add new trees that will unify the old and new trees.
Committee Member Filner asked if any parking stalls can be eliminated to add more planter
space and enhance the main entrance.
Mr. LaRue replied that although there are no excess parking spaces to do that, the proposed
use of Date Palms will achieve the desired results of accentuating the main entrance to the mall.
The committee and the applicant discussed the possibility of use of decorative paving at the
pedestrian courtyard, outdoor patio and terrace areas.
Mr. Jackson emphasized there will be a balance in the pedestrian area, walkways, and open
plaza; making people wanting to come and utilize the area during any time of the day.
Committee Member Angus stated that she supports the use of materials suggested, enhancing
of entrances, landscape concept and the overall proposal of the project.
A motion was made by Committee Member Leonard Filner to recommend approval of the
conceptual site and building elevation plans to the Planning Commission with the following
condition:
1. Submit landscape plans to the Design Review Committee for approval.
The recommendation for approval was based on the finding that the project design upholds
community aesthetics through the use of an internally consistent, integrated design theme and
is consistent with all adopted specific plans, applicable design standards and their required
findings.
SECOND:Alice Angus
AYES:Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:Mark Paone
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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