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08-09-2000 DRC MinutesCITY OF ORANGE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES for Wednesday, August 9, 2000 Committee Members Present: Linda Boone Leonard Filner (Vice Chair) Susan Secoy (Chair) Joe Woollett Staff in Attendance: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner Howard Morris, Landscape Coordinator Committee Member Absent: Mark Paone Administrative Session - 4:30 P.M. The board met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 p.m. The meeting adjourned at approximately 9:00 p.m. Regular Session - 5:30 PM REVIEW OF MINUTE The review of the July 19, 2000 minutes was deferred to the August 23, 2000 meeting. City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for August 9, 2000 Page 2 DRC No. 3458 -PAUL HUDSON Revisions for an approved residential addition in Old Towne 212 S. Orange Street (Contributing Structure) DRC Action: Final Determination The proposed revision was presented by the owner Mr. Paul Hudson. The project was originally approved for a second story addition onto the rear of an existing 1911 Craftsman. The revision consists of replacing an existing fixed dormer window with new double-hung windows along the front (east) building elevation. The new operable windows are larger in size to provide more lighting and ventilation to the newly converted second story living space above. The existing fixed window would be re-installed in the back of the house at a closet space. Joe Woollett is of the opinion that the new replacement window is consistent in style with the rest of the house. The old window would not work well for the new second story living space. This may be even required under the Uniform Building Code. Susan Secoy quotes from the Secretary of the Interior Standards: Not Recommended - Removing or radically changing windows which are important in defining the historic character of the building so that, as a result, the character is diminished. The meeting was opened to the public: Joan Crawford stated that these changes should have been addressed from the original approval. Why wasn't this caught at the initial review process? Robert Imbodent stated that the review of this project should be based on the Secretary of the Interior Standards, which is to preserve the defining historic character of the building. The existing window is clearly an important defining feature of this house. Joe Woollett disagreed. In his opinion, changing the window would not diminish the historic characteristics of this house. Susan Secoy stated that based on historic inventory, the original window was not referenced. Leonard Filner stated that although he does not object to the new windows, he would like to have the option of checking with the Building Department for code verification. MOTION by Joe Woollett to approve the project as submitted. SECOND:Linda Boone AYES:Linda Boone, Joe Woollett NOES:Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy ABSENT:Mark Paone ABSTAINED:None MOTION FAILED - PROJECT NOT APPROVED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for August 9, 2000 Page 3 2. DRC No. 3487 - BASANT SACHDEVA Facade remodeling of an existing retail center 1736-1746 E. Meats Avenue DRC Action: Final Determination Continued from 11/3/99 meeting) The revised plans were presented by Mr. Basant Sachdeva, architect and owner of the shopping center. The new horizontal fascia band along the storefront has been modified to create more vertical height for proper wall signage. The cornice element has been carried over to the rest of the center, and the previous mansard roof has been eliminated. The new color palette is slightly different to be more consistent with recent commercial projects in the area. A conceptual landscape plan was also included to identify new planting materials in the existing planter area. Joe Woollett asked what type of exterior finish is being proposed, and will the bracing in back of the raised parapet roof be seen from public view? Mr. Sachdeva replied that the exterior would be a sand finish stucco, and the parapet bracing would be hidden from view. Susan Secoy stated that the revised project is an improvement over the existing. However, the proposed color palette seems rather bright. Can it be toned down so that it is more subdue? Mr. Sachdeva agreed to work with City staff to achieve a more subdue color palette. Leonard Filner raised concerns with the use of Azaleas (will not grow) in a full sun orientation. Recommend replacing it with Agapanthus in a dwarf variety. MOTION by Leonard Filner to approve the project with the following conditions: 1. All roof mounted mechanical equipment shall be adequately screened from public view. 2. Applicant to work with staff to achieve a more subdue color palette. 3. Recommend replacing the Azaleas with Agapanthus in a dwarf variety. Planting materials to be arranged in an ascending order from the edge of planter up to the building wall. 4. Submit final landscape and irrigation plans to Department of Community Services for plan check and approval. Final plan to include City required inspection notes. SECOND:Susan Secoy AYES:Linda Boone, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett NOES:None ABSENT:Mark Paone ABSTAINED:None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for August 9, 2000 Page 4 DRC No. 3516 -KEN ARTHUR Final review of an approved 2-story second unit constructed over a garage 133 N. Shaffer Street (Contributing Structure) DRC Action: Final Determination Continued from 7/19/00 meeting) The revised project was presented by the owner Mr. Ken Arthur, and his architect Rick Rengel. The project has been submitted back to the DRC per the conditions of approval by the Planning Commission (see attached July 5, 2000 Planning Commission meeting minutes). The overall height of the building has been significantly reduced from 26 ft. down to 21.5 ft. Other changes include the addition of windows along the south and east building elevations for improved articulation, and new carriage style roll-up sectional garage doors. The project was opened for public comments: (None) Susan Secoy requested the applicant to submit a brochure from the garage door manufacture to staff to include in the file. MOTION by Susan Secoy to approve the revised project as submitted. The approval is based on the finding that the proposed work conforms with the standards and design criteria referenced and recommended by the Design Review Committee. The proposed work complies with the Secretary of the Interior's Standards and Guidelines. The proposed work is compatible with, and therefore will not adversely affect the use and design of existing buildings within Old Towne. SECOND:Linda Boone AYES:Linda Boone, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett NOES:None ABSENT:Mark Paone ABSTAINED:None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for August 9, 2000 Page 5 4. DRC No. 3557 - MOHAMMAD ABDOLLAHEH New custom single family residence 6131 E. Cliffway Drive DRC Action: Final Determination Continued from 7/19/00 meeting) Approved as consent item)41 MOTION by Susan Secoy to approve the project with the following condition: 1. Upgrade 4 new trees to 24 inch box size. (City code requires minimum 25% of all new trees to be 24 inch box size or larger) SECOND:Leonard Filner AYES:Linda Boone, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett NOES:None ABSENT:Mark Paone ABSTAINED:None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for August 9, 2000 Page 6 5. DRC No. 3567 -SCOTT & SANDRA McREYNOLDS New family addition onto an existing duplex in Old Towne 504 S. Grand Street (Contributing Structure) DRC Action: Final Determination The project was presented by the owners Scott and Sandra McReynolds. The proposal is to add a 314 sq.ft. family/dining room along west side of the existing front residence. Also proposed is to replace an existing 6 ft. high wood fence along the north property line with a new fence made of river rock at the base and pilasters, and wood panels in between the pilasters. The new room addition is located towards the back along the interior side of the property where it cannot be seen from public streets. The existing vertical T-111 siding on the front house would also be removed and replaced with new horizontal siding to match the rest of the house. The project was opened for public comments: Joan Crawford asked what is the F.A.R. (.63) This F.A.R. is rather high, but most of the structures are already there. She likes the replacement of the existing vertical T-111 siding with a horizontal siding to match the existing. Susan Secoy agreed. The new addition is tucked away on the back side. She also supports the direction of restoring the existing house with matching horizontal siding. Joe Woollett expressed concerns with the siding material used on the chimney. It would be more appropriate to use a brick material. Sandra McReynolds replied that perhaps a stone finish would be more preferable. Joe Woollett also raised concerns with the new fence appearing rather contemporary, and not in keeping with the period of the house, particularly with the use of "dog-ear" panels. Susan Secoy stated that the new addition would also be required to have a clear demarcation to the existing house. MOTION by Susan Secoy to approve the project with the following conditions: 1. Chimney shall be finished with river rocks to match existing applications used through out the project. 2. The wood panels used for the new fence shall be un-trimmed (no dog-ear), and be in-set from the pilasters with a top trim cap. 3. The new room addition shall contain clear demarcation to the existing house. The approval is based on the finding that the proposed work conforms with the standards and design criteria referenced and recommended by the Design Review Committee. The proposed work complies with the Secretary of the Interior's Standards and Guidelines. The proposed work is compatible with, and therefore will not adversely affect the use and design of existing buildings within Old Towne. City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for August 9, 2000 Page 7 5. DRC No. 3567 -SCOTT & SANDRA McREYNOLDS (Continued) SECOND:Leonard Filner AYES:Linda Boone, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett NOES:None ABSENT:Mark Paone ABSTAINED:None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for August 9, 2000 Page 8 6. DRC No. 3568 -RALPH & RENEE SANDOVAL Two story addition to an existing residence in Old Towne 703 E. Sycamore Avenue (Non-Contributing Structure) DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission Continued from 7/19/00 meeting) The revised plans were presented by the owner Ralph Sandoval, and his architect Gregory Villegas. The project has been revised to address the concerns of the DRC from the previous meeting. The architect style is "Post-War" with very clean and simple elements. As for the new porch, two different plans (Scheme A & B) have been submitted. (Mr. Sandoval prefers Scheme A over B). The meeting was opened for public comments: (None) MOTION by Susan Secoy to recommend approval of the project based on Scheme "A" to the Planning Commission as submitted. The approval is based on the finding that the proposed work conforms with the standards and design criteria referenced and recommended by the Design Review Committee. The proposed work complies with the Secretary of the Interior's Standards and Guidelines. The proposed work is compatible with, and therefore will not adversely affect the use and design of existing buildings within Old Towne. SECOND:Leonard Filner AYES:Linda Boone, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett NOES:None ABSENT:Mark Paone ABSTAINED:None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for August 9, 2000 Page 9 7. DRC No. 3570 -TACO BELL New restaurant building at the Target shopping center complex 2233 N. Tustin Street DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission Continued from the 7-19-00 meeting) The revised plans were presented by Baray Karim with Fred Cook Architects. The revisions included some minor changes to the site layout required by the Staff Review Committee that did not significantly affect the building elevations. The outdoor courtyard now consist of umbrella covered seating arrangement around a center fountain element. Also included are material samples of the building reveal, glazing (green), and sand float stucco finish. Susan Secoy finds that the revised project have addressed all the concerns of the DRC from the previous meeting. MOTION by Susan Secoy to recommend approval of the project to the Planning Commission as submitted. SECOND:Joe Woollett AYES:Linda Boone, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett NOES:None ABSENT:Mark Paone ABSTAINED:None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for August 9, 2000 Page 10 8. DRC No. 3571 -ROBERT & THERESA BEARD Addition of new second dwelling unit and modification of the existing garage 525 S. Orange Street (Contributing Structure) DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission The project was presented by the owner Mr. Robert Beard. The proposal is to add a second unit at the rear, and to modify and convert the existing accessory structure into a 2-car garage with workshop and storage room. The design of the new unit and garage would simply replicate the existing single story residence. Susan Secoy asked what is the original architectural style of the existing house? The design of the new addition seems to be an extreme minimalist approach. Mr. Beard stated that he is not sure. It is a very simple flat roof building with a parapet. The project was opened for public comments: Joan Crawford asked what is the project's F.A.R.? (.34) Susan Secoy stated that she support the direction of the project, but is still uncomfortable with the submitted plans due to lack of detail. More information is still needed before a determination can be made by the DRC. MOTION by Susan Secoy to continue the project based on the discussion above, and to direct staff to work with the City's Historic consultant Mr. Robert Chattel to further research if there are similar architectural styles can be referenced for this project. SECOND:Linda Boone AYES:Linda Boone, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett NOES:None ABSENT:Mark Paone ABSTAINED:None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for August 9, 2000 Page 11 9. DRC No. 3575 -EXTENDED STAY AMERICA New 4-story, 124 guest room hotel at Stadium Promenade. North side of Katella Avenue, east of Santa Ana River. DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission The project was presented by Don Fowler, Michael Gallen and Richard Deresz with Extended Stay America, and Frank Shih with MCG Architecture. The proposal is to construct a 4-story, 124 room hotel at the southwest corner of the Stadium Promenade complex. The meeting was opened for public comments: (None) The DRC noted that there were no landscape plans in their packets. Also, is signage being reviewed at this time? Staff explained that the landscaping plans are proposed to match the existing landscape concept within the center. A final landscape plan and a separate signage submittal will be brought back to the DRC for review after the Planning Commission hearing. MOTION by Linda Boone to recommend approval of the project to the Planning Commission with the following conditions: 1. Submit final landscape plans to DRC for review and approval 2. Submit signage plans to DRC for review and approval. SECOND:Susan Secoy AYES:Linda Boone, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett NOES:None ABSENT:Mark Paone ABSTAINED:None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for August 9, 2000 Page 12 10. DRC No. 3525 -CITY OF ORANGE Project status update of Veteran Memorial Fountain at Depot Park Northwest corner of Chapman Avenue and Atchison Street DRC Action: None Required (Information item only) The project was presented by Pat Hirsh and Chuck Foley with Hirsch & Associates, and Irma Hernandez -Assistant to the City Manager. This purpose of this meeting is to give the DRC a status update on the construction of the project as it is approaching closer to the deadline for the City Council scheduled dedication ceremony. The one problem that has arise is that the use of the cantara stone cannot be done in a one piece stone. Due to it's large size, the stone manufacturing would not ship it out in one piece. An alternative solution would be to have the stone in 3 separate pieces butt joint together with a slightly beveled edge to prevent chipping. Another alternative would be to use pour in-place concrete, but again due to its large surface area, cracking would be inevitable even with the use of an expansion joint. Susan Secoy stated that she was also involved with trying to come up with a feasible alternative, however, everything that she has tried so far have been cost prohibitive. MOTION by Joe Woollett to accept the alternative to use the 3 piece cantara stone with a beveled edge butt joint. SECOND:Linda Boone AYES:Linda Boone, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett NOES:None ABSENT:Mark Paone ABSTAINED:None MOTION CARRIED 8-09-00 Minutes