08-09-2000 DRC MinutesCITY OF ORANGE
DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE
MINUTES
for Wednesday, August 9, 2000
Committee Members Present: Linda Boone
Leonard Filner (Vice Chair)
Susan Secoy (Chair)
Joe Woollett
Staff in Attendance: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner
Howard Morris, Landscape Coordinator
Committee Member Absent: Mark Paone
Administrative Session - 4:30 P.M.
The board met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 p.m. The meeting adjourned at
approximately 9:00 p.m.
Regular Session - 5:30 PM
REVIEW OF MINUTE
The review of the July 19, 2000 minutes was deferred to the August 23, 2000 meeting.
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DRC No. 3458 -PAUL HUDSON
Revisions for an approved residential addition in Old Towne
212 S. Orange Street (Contributing Structure)
DRC Action: Final Determination
The proposed revision was presented by the owner Mr. Paul Hudson. The project was originally
approved for a second story addition onto the rear of an existing 1911 Craftsman. The revision
consists of replacing an existing fixed dormer window with new double-hung windows along the
front (east) building elevation. The new operable windows are larger in size to provide more
lighting and ventilation to the newly converted second story living space above. The existing
fixed window would be re-installed in the back of the house at a closet space.
Joe Woollett is of the opinion that the new replacement window is consistent in style with the
rest of the house. The old window would not work well for the new second story living space.
This may be even required under the Uniform Building Code.
Susan Secoy quotes from the Secretary of the Interior Standards: Not Recommended -
Removing or radically changing windows which are important in defining the historic character of
the building so that, as a result, the character is diminished.
The meeting was opened to the public:
Joan Crawford stated that these changes should have been addressed from the original
approval. Why wasn't this caught at the initial review process?
Robert Imbodent stated that the review of this project should be based on the Secretary of the
Interior Standards, which is to preserve the defining historic character of the building. The
existing window is clearly an important defining feature of this house.
Joe Woollett disagreed. In his opinion, changing the window would not diminish the historic
characteristics of this house.
Susan Secoy stated that based on historic inventory, the original window was not referenced.
Leonard Filner stated that although he does not object to the new windows, he would like to
have the option of checking with the Building Department for code verification.
MOTION by Joe Woollett to approve the project as submitted.
SECOND:Linda Boone
AYES:Linda Boone, Joe Woollett
NOES:Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy
ABSENT:Mark Paone
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION FAILED - PROJECT NOT APPROVED
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2. DRC No. 3487 - BASANT SACHDEVA
Facade remodeling of an existing retail center
1736-1746 E. Meats Avenue
DRC Action: Final Determination
Continued from 11/3/99 meeting)
The revised plans were presented by Mr. Basant Sachdeva, architect and owner of the
shopping center. The new horizontal fascia band along the storefront has been modified to
create more vertical height for proper wall signage. The cornice element has been carried over
to the rest of the center, and the previous mansard roof has been eliminated. The new color
palette is slightly different to be more consistent with recent commercial projects in the area. A
conceptual landscape plan was also included to identify new planting materials in the existing
planter area.
Joe Woollett asked what type of exterior finish is being proposed, and will the bracing in back of
the raised parapet roof be seen from public view?
Mr. Sachdeva replied that the exterior would be a sand finish stucco, and the parapet bracing
would be hidden from view.
Susan Secoy stated that the revised project is an improvement over the existing. However, the
proposed color palette seems rather bright. Can it be toned down so that it is more subdue?
Mr. Sachdeva agreed to work with City staff to achieve a more subdue color palette.
Leonard Filner raised concerns with the use of Azaleas (will not grow) in a full sun orientation.
Recommend replacing it with Agapanthus in a dwarf variety.
MOTION by Leonard Filner to approve the project with the following conditions:
1. All roof mounted mechanical equipment shall be adequately screened from public view.
2. Applicant to work with staff to achieve a more subdue color palette.
3. Recommend replacing the Azaleas with Agapanthus in a dwarf variety. Planting materials
to be arranged in an ascending order from the edge of planter up to the building wall.
4. Submit final landscape and irrigation plans to Department of Community Services for plan
check and approval. Final plan to include City required inspection notes.
SECOND:Susan Secoy
AYES:Linda Boone, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:Mark Paone
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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DRC No. 3516 -KEN ARTHUR
Final review of an approved 2-story second unit constructed over a garage
133 N. Shaffer Street (Contributing Structure)
DRC Action: Final Determination
Continued from 7/19/00 meeting)
The revised project was presented by the owner Mr. Ken Arthur, and his architect Rick Rengel.
The project has been submitted back to the DRC per the conditions of approval by the Planning
Commission (see attached July 5, 2000 Planning Commission meeting minutes). The overall
height of the building has been significantly reduced from 26 ft. down to 21.5 ft. Other changes
include the addition of windows along the south and east building elevations for improved
articulation, and new carriage style roll-up sectional garage doors.
The project was opened for public comments: (None)
Susan Secoy requested the applicant to submit a brochure from the garage door manufacture
to staff to include in the file.
MOTION by Susan Secoy to approve the revised project as submitted.
The approval is based on the finding that the proposed work conforms with the standards and
design criteria referenced and recommended by the Design Review Committee. The proposed
work complies with the Secretary of the Interior's Standards and Guidelines. The proposed
work is compatible with, and therefore will not adversely affect the use and design of existing
buildings within Old Towne.
SECOND:Linda Boone
AYES:Linda Boone, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:Mark Paone
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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4. DRC No. 3557 - MOHAMMAD ABDOLLAHEH
New custom single family residence
6131 E. Cliffway Drive
DRC Action: Final Determination
Continued from 7/19/00 meeting)
Approved as consent item)41
MOTION by Susan Secoy to approve the project with the following condition:
1. Upgrade 4 new trees to 24 inch box size. (City code requires minimum 25% of all new trees
to be 24 inch box size or larger)
SECOND:Leonard Filner
AYES:Linda Boone, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:Mark Paone
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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5. DRC No. 3567 -SCOTT & SANDRA McREYNOLDS
New family addition onto an existing duplex in Old Towne
504 S. Grand Street (Contributing Structure)
DRC Action: Final Determination
The project was presented by the owners Scott and Sandra McReynolds. The proposal is to
add a 314 sq.ft. family/dining room along west side of the existing front residence. Also
proposed is to replace an existing 6 ft. high wood fence along the north property line with a new
fence made of river rock at the base and pilasters, and wood panels in between the pilasters.
The new room addition is located towards the back along the interior side of the property where
it cannot be seen from public streets. The existing vertical T-111 siding on the front house
would also be removed and replaced with new horizontal siding to match the rest of the house.
The project was opened for public comments:
Joan Crawford asked what is the F.A.R. (.63) This F.A.R. is rather high, but most of the
structures are already there. She likes the replacement of the existing vertical T-111 siding with
a horizontal siding to match the existing.
Susan Secoy agreed. The new addition is tucked away on the back side. She also supports
the direction of restoring the existing house with matching horizontal siding.
Joe Woollett expressed concerns with the siding material used on the chimney. It would be
more appropriate to use a brick material.
Sandra McReynolds replied that perhaps a stone finish would be more preferable.
Joe Woollett also raised concerns with the new fence appearing rather contemporary, and not
in keeping with the period of the house, particularly with the use of "dog-ear" panels.
Susan Secoy stated that the new addition would also be required to have a clear demarcation
to the existing house.
MOTION by Susan Secoy to approve the project with the following conditions:
1. Chimney shall be finished with river rocks to match existing applications used through out
the project.
2. The wood panels used for the new fence shall be un-trimmed (no dog-ear), and be in-set
from the pilasters with a top trim cap.
3. The new room addition shall contain clear demarcation to the existing house.
The approval is based on the finding that the proposed work conforms with the standards and
design criteria referenced and recommended by the Design Review Committee. The proposed
work complies with the Secretary of the Interior's Standards and Guidelines. The proposed
work is compatible with, and therefore will not adversely affect the use and design of existing
buildings within Old Towne.
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5. DRC No. 3567 -SCOTT & SANDRA McREYNOLDS (Continued)
SECOND:Leonard Filner
AYES:Linda Boone, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:Mark Paone
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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6. DRC No. 3568 -RALPH & RENEE SANDOVAL
Two story addition to an existing residence in Old Towne
703 E. Sycamore Avenue (Non-Contributing Structure)
DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission
Continued from 7/19/00 meeting)
The revised plans were presented by the owner Ralph Sandoval, and his architect Gregory
Villegas. The project has been revised to address the concerns of the DRC from the previous
meeting. The architect style is "Post-War" with very clean and simple elements. As for the new
porch, two different plans (Scheme A & B) have been submitted. (Mr. Sandoval prefers
Scheme A over B).
The meeting was opened for public comments: (None)
MOTION by Susan Secoy to recommend approval of the project based on Scheme "A" to the
Planning Commission as submitted.
The approval is based on the finding that the proposed work conforms with the standards and
design criteria referenced and recommended by the Design Review Committee. The proposed
work complies with the Secretary of the Interior's Standards and Guidelines. The proposed
work is compatible with, and therefore will not adversely affect the use and design of existing
buildings within Old Towne.
SECOND:Leonard Filner
AYES:Linda Boone, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:Mark Paone
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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7. DRC No. 3570 -TACO BELL
New restaurant building at the Target shopping center complex
2233 N. Tustin Street
DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission
Continued from the 7-19-00 meeting)
The revised plans were presented by Baray Karim with Fred Cook Architects. The revisions
included some minor changes to the site layout required by the Staff Review Committee that did
not significantly affect the building elevations. The outdoor courtyard now consist of umbrella
covered seating arrangement around a center fountain element. Also included are material
samples of the building reveal, glazing (green), and sand float stucco finish.
Susan Secoy finds that the revised project have addressed all the concerns of the DRC from
the previous meeting.
MOTION by Susan Secoy to recommend approval of the project to the Planning Commission
as submitted.
SECOND:Joe Woollett
AYES:Linda Boone, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:Mark Paone
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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8. DRC No. 3571 -ROBERT & THERESA BEARD
Addition of new second dwelling unit and modification of the existing garage
525 S. Orange Street (Contributing Structure)
DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission
The project was presented by the owner Mr. Robert Beard. The proposal is to add a second
unit at the rear, and to modify and convert the existing accessory structure into a 2-car garage
with workshop and storage room. The design of the new unit and garage would simply
replicate the existing single story residence.
Susan Secoy asked what is the original architectural style of the existing house? The design of
the new addition seems to be an extreme minimalist approach.
Mr. Beard stated that he is not sure. It is a very simple flat roof building with a parapet.
The project was opened for public comments:
Joan Crawford asked what is the project's F.A.R.? (.34)
Susan Secoy stated that she support the direction of the project, but is still uncomfortable with
the submitted plans due to lack of detail. More information is still needed before a
determination can be made by the DRC.
MOTION by Susan Secoy to continue the project based on the discussion above, and to direct
staff to work with the City's Historic consultant Mr. Robert Chattel to further research if there are
similar architectural styles can be referenced for this project.
SECOND:Linda Boone
AYES:Linda Boone, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:Mark Paone
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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9. DRC No. 3575 -EXTENDED STAY AMERICA
New 4-story, 124 guest room hotel at Stadium Promenade.
North side of Katella Avenue, east of Santa Ana River.
DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission
The project was presented by Don Fowler, Michael Gallen and Richard Deresz with Extended
Stay America, and Frank Shih with MCG Architecture. The proposal is to construct a 4-story,
124 room hotel at the southwest corner of the Stadium Promenade complex.
The meeting was opened for public comments: (None)
The DRC noted that there were no landscape plans in their packets. Also, is signage being
reviewed at this time?
Staff explained that the landscaping plans are proposed to match the existing landscape
concept within the center. A final landscape plan and a separate signage submittal will be
brought back to the DRC for review after the Planning Commission hearing.
MOTION by Linda Boone to recommend approval of the project to the Planning Commission
with the following conditions:
1. Submit final landscape plans to DRC for review and approval
2. Submit signage plans to DRC for review and approval.
SECOND:Susan Secoy
AYES:Linda Boone, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:Mark Paone
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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10. DRC No. 3525 -CITY OF ORANGE
Project status update of Veteran Memorial Fountain at Depot Park
Northwest corner of Chapman Avenue and Atchison Street
DRC Action: None Required (Information item only)
The project was presented by Pat Hirsh and Chuck Foley with Hirsch & Associates, and Irma
Hernandez -Assistant to the City Manager. This purpose of this meeting is to give the DRC a
status update on the construction of the project as it is approaching closer to the deadline for
the City Council scheduled dedication ceremony. The one problem that has arise is that the
use of the cantara stone cannot be done in a one piece stone. Due to it's large size, the stone
manufacturing would not ship it out in one piece. An alternative solution would be to have the
stone in 3 separate pieces butt joint together with a slightly beveled edge to prevent chipping.
Another alternative would be to use pour in-place concrete, but again due to its large surface
area, cracking would be inevitable even with the use of an expansion joint.
Susan Secoy stated that she was also involved with trying to come up with a feasible
alternative, however, everything that she has tried so far have been cost prohibitive.
MOTION by Joe Woollett to accept the alternative to use the 3 piece cantara stone with a
beveled edge butt joint.
SECOND:Linda Boone
AYES:Linda Boone, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:Mark Paone
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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