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07-10-2002 DRC MinutesCITY OF ORANGE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES Wednesday, July 10, 2002 Committee Members Present: Alice Angus Leonard Filner (Vice Chair) Mark Paone Susan Secoy Joe Woollett (Chair) Staff in Attendance: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner David Statton, Landscape Coordinator Khanh Le, Recording Secretary Committee Member Absent: None Administrative Session - 4:30 P.M. The committee met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 p.m. The meeting adjourned at approximately 8:25 p.m. A Proclamation was issued to Susan Secoy Regular Session - 5:30 PM REVIEW OF MINUTES: A motion was made by Committee Member Leonard Filner to approve the June 5, 2000 minutes with the following correction: DRC 3725 Chapman University Dance Center Page 3 condition 1 amended as follows: 1. The light fixtures shall be have a twelve (12) f~e~-ie foot mounting height to match the existing light fixtures at the Chapman University campus. SECOND:Susan Secoy AYES:Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett NOES:None ABSENT:None ABSTAINED:Mark Paone MOTION CARRIED Review and approval of the June 19, 2002 meeting minutes was deferred to the July 24, 2002 meeting. City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for July 10, 2002 Page 2 DRC No. 3696 -ALL-PRO REMODELING New wall sign for a newly remodeled commercial building. 706 N. Tustin Street Staff Contact: Mario Chavez-Marquez DRC Action: Final Determination Approved on the Consent Calendar) A motion was made by Committee Member Mark Paone to approve the project as submitted. SECOND: AYES: NOES: ABSENT: ABSTAINED Alice Angus Alice Angus, Leonard None None None Filner, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for July 10, 2002 Page 3 2. DRC No. 3733 - CINGULAR WIRELESS Wireless communication antenna and equipment facility at EI Modena Park. 555 S. Hewes Street Staff Contact: Mario Chavez-Marquez -Assistant Planner DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission Shannon McDonald (representing Cingular - 1225 W. 190`h St., Ste #250, Gardena) presented the project. Ms. McDonald explained that Cingular is proposing to install a flagpole, sixty-five 65) feet tall, and to remove the old flagpole that have cracks in the foundation. This project was discussed concurrently with DRC No. 3752. A motion was made by Committee Member Mark Paone to recommend approval of the project to the Planning Commission as submitted. SECOND: Alice Angus AYES: Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for July 10, 2002 Page 4 3. DRC No. 3752 -SPRINT PCS Wireless communication antenna and equipment facility at EI Modena Park. 555 S. Hewes Street Staff Contact: Mario Chavez-Marquez -Assistant Planner DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission Mr. Paul Novak (representing Sprint PCS - 132 N. Maryland Ave., Glendale, CA 91206) presented the project. He also explained that they are in same situation as Cingular, not having enough coverage with the current antennas, so they are proposing to add new antennas on an existing pole. Responding to various questions from the committee, Mr. Novak explained the following points: 1. The poles will not be taller than the lights in the park. 2. The antennas will be located on brackets that are mounted on the poles; the lights will be on top. 3. The antennas are four (4) tall. 4. There will be three (3) vertical antennas. 5. The antennas will be mounted 6-8 inches from the poles. 6. The antennas will be the same color as the poles. 7. There will not be any coverings on the poles because it will make the poles too large. 8. The lights on the poles will be new, but the poles will be the existing ones. There were some concerns from the commission relating to the consistency of the appearance of light fixtures. After some discussion, the consensus was that as long as Sprint ensures the lights will be consistent-either by installing new lights or only exchanging the non-forming lights-the commission would be agreeable to that. A motion was made by Committee Member Susan Secoy to recommend approval of the project to the Planning Commission as submitted with one additional condition: 1. The applicant will ensure that the new lighting shall remain consistent with the existing. A motion was made by Committee Member Susan Secoy to recommend approval of the project to the Planning Commission as submitted. SECOND: Mark Paone AYES: Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for July 10, 2002 Page 5 4. DRC No. 3734 -SYCAMORE PLAZA MEDICAL OFFICE New 20,450 sq. ft. two-story medical office building, and the relocation of an existing 1919 Craftsman residence to the southwest corner of Culver Avenue and Clark Street. 411 S. Batavia Street (Old Towne Historic District) Staff Contact: Daniel Ryan -Senior Planner, Historic Preservation DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission Mr. Mike Harrison (201 Paularino Ave., Costa Mesa), Ms. Lauren Young (Trico Realty 201 Paularino Ave., Costa Mesa), Mr. Bill Skinner (3185-F Airway Ave., Costa Mesa), and Mr. Ron Van Winkle (Orange County Ronald McDonald House, 383 S. Batavia, Orange) presented the project. Mr. Harrison explained that they are proposing this project for three reasons: 1) research of the area shows a need for more medical office spaces, 2) there is also a need for the expansion of the Ronald McDonald House, and 3) they want to preserve and expand an existing historic home that was built in 1919, to be relocated to this lot. The project would require the demolition of the existing structures on the lot, relocating the historic house, and building the new medical building. The applicant is requesting from the city three things: 1) modifying the zoning classifications on a couple of different areas on the parcel, 2) making an amendment to the general plan from LMDR to OP, and 3) making a lot line change. Mr. Harrison explained that the medical office building is proposed to be 24,600 sq. ft. and two- story. The building will have a drive around capacity for ease of access and logical trafficking around the building. There is one main entrance at the rear of the building with a canopy. There will also be three (3) other entrances to the building. The second story will have a steel truss system on concrete floor. There will also be landscaping in front of the building. Mr. Harrison answered questions from the commission including such issues as: 1. There will be monument sign at the entrance of the building. 2. They will preserve the existing sycamore and pine trees on the premises. But they plan on adding birch trees to the landscaping. Mr. Harrison and the commission discussed the code and the possible interpretations of landscape code concerning the six (6) feet or four (4) feet of landscaping and overhang. Mr. Harrison then moved onto the elevation. They wanted to keep with the consistent Old Towne feel. He presented a sample of the red tile. He also explained that the windows will be glass and they are expecting the tenants to put in vertical blinds. The design also incorporates some arches in the paths. The window frames will be bronze aluminum. Mr. Harrison continued to explain that the building will be twenty (20) feet tall, there will be medical equipment inside the building, but he does not expect people from the street to be able to see because of the distance. City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for July 10, 2002 Page 6 4. DRC No. 3734 -SYCAMORE PLAZA MEDICAL OFFICE (Continued) Ms. Young presented the proposal of the house based on suggestions from the Old Towne committee. She stated that a couple of things in house need to be done to fit quality standards: 1) the roof needs to be fixed, 2) the basement will be removed, but the house will be on a foundation to match the current height, 3) there needs to be new drywall, 4) the three (3) car garage will be added, and 5) two fireplaces needed to be demolished and replaced. Mr. Skinner, Ms. Young, and the commission discussed the entrance and the trellis design. Ms. Young continued to explain other designs to the house, including the elevation, historical characters, and the doors. Committee Chair Woollett asked for public comments. Ms. Janet Crenshaw (464 N. Shaffer, Orange) stated she likes the Orange trees, likes to keep larger trees, and likes the garage apartment, particular would like to see the garage doors. Mr. Jeff Frankel (384 S. Orange St., Orange) questioned about pergola, wanted to comment that he would like to see the porch element be consistent with the old historic design, and also commented that the gable element on the roof probably should not be duplicated. Committee Member Secoy expressed the parcel is small relative to the design presented. Committee Member Paone explained that there are two (2) requirements: 1) the size and numbers are according to code, and 2) the design fit into its environment. The applicant and the commission discussed in detail the design buildings' size relative to the parcel. Committee Chair Woollett commented that the garage is back from street and having so many doors is not consistent with historic character. Committee Member Secoy felt the juxtaposition of the two (2) buildings is awkward. Committee Member Secoy and Paone suggested the applicant pursue alternatives to the design. Committee Chair Woollett also concurred with Committee Member Secoy and Paone that the project is a good idea, it would enhance the street, but the plans are too large for the lot of land. With further discussion, the committee concluded that they commend the project proposal, but it has to fit within context of surrounding neighborhood and the contributing structures. Committee Member Paone brought up the issue of the screening for the mechanical equipments on the roof. The idea is not only to protect the view of the people on the street, but also people on the second and third floor of other buildings. City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for July 10, 2002 Page 7 4. DRC No. 3734 -SYCAMORE PLAZA MEDICAL OFFICE (Continued) In summary, the committee felt the applicant should pursue alternatives to the current design and offered the applicant to come to the committee for assistance during the design if the applicant wished. The committee also suggested the applicant take a look at a couple of projects such as the city library, St. John's School, etc., as examples for their design. A motion was made by Committee Member Mark Paone to continue the project. SECOND:Alice Angus AYES:Alice Angus, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett NOES:None ABSENT:None ABSTAINED:Leonard Filner MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for July 10, 2002 Page 8 5. DRC No. 3742 -ABF FREIGHT SYSTEM, INC. Expansion of an existing 13,800 sq. ft. truck terminal facility to include the addition of 13,680 sq. ft. of new dock area. 1601 N. Batavia Street Staff Contact: Chuck Lau -Associate Planner Mr. Walter Echols (ABF Freight Systems) and Mr. Jim Allman (Lord Construction, Inc.) presented the project. Mr. Echols explained that ABF has contracted to buy the land in Orange and want to expand, extending eastward. He explained the structure is the same now, with a slightly different roofline because of the overhang is lower and has a different pitch. Mr. Allman added that the new design is based on the current ABF construction standards. It is also difficult to match the current building, for example, the panels are no longer made. Mr. Echols stated that the new ceiling height and the overhang is not that much more. If the committee feels they must match, they can, but functionally, it is not needed. Committee Chair Woollett asked for public comments and there were none. Committee Member Paone had two (2) comments: 1) he thinks it would be nice to match dock, and 2) he would prefer for the color to match the old building. Mr. Echols is agreeable on matching the color. There were some discussion concerning the roof height between the applicant and the committee members. The conclusion was that since the applicant ensures that there will not be a significant difference between the new and old height of the roof, they would not require the applicant to make changes to the design. A motion was made by Committee Member Mark Paone to recommend approval of the project to the Planning Commission with the following conditions: 1. The color of the new building shall match with the existing. The recommendation for approval is based on the finding that he project design upholds community aesthetics through the use of an internally consistent, integrated design theme and is consistent with all adopted specific plans, applicable design standards and their required findings. SECOND: Susan Secoy AYES: Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for July 10, 2002 Page 9 6. DRC No. 3749 - ANNETTE DRAKE New 432 sq. ft. detached garage for an existing Craftsman Bungalow house. 360 S. Center Street (Old Towne Historic District) Staff Contact: Daniel Ryan -Senior Planner, Historic Preservation DRC Action: Final Determination Ms. Annette Drake (360 S. Center St., Orange) presented the project. She explained that she wanted to put in a new garage. There was some discussion between the applicant and the committee concerning the garage door. Committee Chair Woollett called for public comments. Ms. Janet Crenshaw (464 N. Shaffer, Orange) commented that putting the fence towards the alley would allow the applicant to gain a garden. Mr. Jeff Frankel (384 S. Orange St., Orange) commented that this project would the improve alley. Committee Member Secoy commented that the primary structure is well kept. There was a lengthy discussion between the committee and staff members concerning the CEQA codes for the material of the garage door. The resulting consensus is that the applicant needs to choose a door that is consistent with what is in the neighborhood, which means it should be a wood door, or a wood look-a-like door. A motion was made by Committee Member Mark Paone to recommend approval of the project with the following conditions: If the applicant chooses a garage door other than wood, the garage door shall be reviewed by City Historic Preservation Planning staff for approval. SECOND: Alice Angus AYES: Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for July 10, 2002 Page 10 7. DRC No. 3751 -CAROL & KURT RAMMELSBERG New 3,668 sq. ft. custom residence at Prospect Hills. 6131 E. Cliffway Drive Staff Contact: Chuck Lau -Associate Planner DRC Action: Final Determination Mr. and Mrs. Kurt and Carol Rammelsberg (owners, 6131 E. Cliffway Dr., Orange), and David York (1825 % W. Balboa, Newport) presented the project. Mr. York explained that they had talked to the fire department to ensure they meet the fire codes. Mr. Rammelsberg answered questions from the committee, including such issues as: 1. Mr. Rammelsberg used the blueprint to answer where the cliff way was located. 2. There isn't a retaining wall. 3. The zoning from the fire department was signed off. Mr. York explained his logic for the design of the location of the driveway, the garage, and the porch. He went on to explain the elevation. Committee Member Filner asked if the fire department approved of the landscape plans. Mr. York replied he did not know. Committee Member Filner expressed concerns about twenty (20) feet tree area. The committee looked at the stamp from the fire department and it looks as if all has been approved. Staff Member Lau commented that the applicant has agreed to sprinkler the house, even though it is not required. There was some discussion concerning the trees, the grass, and the edge in the landscaping plan. Committee Member Secoy commented that this proposal is better than what the committee has seen in the past. A motion was made by Committee Member Susan Secoy to approve the project as submitted. SECOND: Leonard Filner AYES: Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for July 10, 2002 Page 11 8. DRC No. 3753 -FORD OF ORANGE Replacement freestanding, wall and on-site directional signage for an existing automotive dealership. 1350 W. Katella Avenue Staff Contact: Chuck Lau -Associate Planner DRC Action: Final Determination Approved on Consent Calendar) A motion was made by Committee Member Mark Paone to approve the project as submitted. SECOND: Alice Angus AYES: Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for July 10, 2002 Page 12 9. DRC No. 3756 - STATEK CORPORATION Location of a 30 ft. high, 6,000-gallon nitrogen tank at the exterior of an existing industrial facility. 512 N. Main Street Staff Contact: Mario Chavez-Marquez -Assistant Planner DRC Action: Final Determination Approved on Consent Calendar) A motion was made by Committee Member Mark Paone to approve the project with the following conditions: 1. The applicant shall plant athirty-six (36) inch box tree closest to the intersection on Alpine Street to match the existing street trees. SECOND: Susan Secoy AYES: Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED N:\C D D\P L N G\Council Commissions Committees\DRC\DRC 2002\07-10-02 drem.doc