06-20-2007 DRC MinutesCITY OF ORANGE
DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE
MINUTES -FINAL
Committee Members Present: Craig Wheeler
Joe Woollett
Donnie DeWees
Committee Members Absent: Jon Califf
Bill Cathcart
Staff in Attendance: Sharon Baik, Assistant Planner
Anne Fox, Contract Planner
20 June 2007
Doris Nguyen, Associate Planner
Dan Ryan, Historic Preservation Senior Planner
Sonal Thakur, Assistant Planner
Howard Morris, Sr. Landscape/Assessment District Coordinator
Sharon Penttila, Recording Secretary
Administrative Session - 5:00 P.M.
The Committee met for an administrative session beginning at 5:00 p.m.
Regular Session - 5:30 P.M.
The meeting adjourned at approximately 8:55 p.m. to the next regular meeting on Thursday, July
5, 2007.
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PUBLIC PARTICIPATION
Opportunity for members of the public to
matters not listed on the Agenda.
address the Design Review Committee on
Janet Crenshaw had a concern about the plans for a signal at Walnut and Shaffer because it's
disruptive to the residential neighborhood.
CONSENT ITEMS:
All matters that are announced as Consent Items are considered to be routine by the
Design Review Committee and will be enacted by one motion. There will be no separate
discussion of said items unless members of the Design Review Committee, staff or the
public request specific items to be removed from the Consent Items for separate action.
There were no items moved to consent at this meeting.
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AGENDA ITEMS:
1. DRC No. 4241-07, MNSP No. 0482-06, & ENV No. 1780-06 -HART PARK POOL
AND DECK RENOVATION CIP NO. 0025
A proposal to demolish the existing Hart Park pool and deck and replace with a new
two-pool configuration.
701 South Glassell Street, within the Old Towne Historic District
Staff Contact: Sharon Baik-Song, 714-744-7243, sbaik cr,cit o~ge.org
DRC Action: Recommendation to City Council
Staff Planner Sharon Baik-Song provided a project overview consistent with the Staff Report.
The pool is considered to be a contributing historic resource. The deck and pool will be replaced
and the elevation of the pool deck will be lowered to its original elevation prior to the late
1970's. The City has hired Robert Chattel and he has noticed on the south wall the stucco is
significantly different from the other walls so he assumes that was a result of the 1970's
renovation of the pool and deck so they are proposing to remove that portion of the wall to allow
construction access. Michael Morales, architect on the project, mentioned they are extending the
outside equipment area which had been added at a later date. Mrs. Baik-Song added that the
environmental document for CEQA purposes was a negative declaration and the review period
ended today and no comments had been received.
Public Comment
Mel Vernon, address on file, has reviewed the design of the renovation. He had concerns with
the gutter design, no provisions for water polo, the depth of the pool, the length of pool should be
extended to 40 feet, and the wall should be made bigger.
Jeff Frankel, address on file, thanked the City for meeting with OTPA. The sections of the walls
that are being removed are not original and he wanted to be sure that any historic material that is
removed should be saved. He would be opposed to changing the footprint of the site and would
want the same site, look, and profile of the wall.
Janet Crenshaw, address file, agreed with Mr. Vernon and the depth of the pool should be
increased to accommodate water polo.
Committee Member Woollett felt the comments about using the pool for water polo was
reasonable. Bonnie Hagan, Community Services Manager, explained that the existing pool is for
recreation, group lessons, private swim lessons and is not designed for competitive swimming.
There is not enough room for water polo and the local high schools do provide that. The plan at
Grijalva Park includes the building of an aquatic center and could house competitive swimming
such as water polo. The number one service at Hart Park is teaching children to swim. The
gutter system was evaluated and the one chosen is conducive to swimming lessons.
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Committee Member Woollett wanted to know if it would be better to spend the money at
Grijalva Park for competitive swimming than Hart Park. He also wanted to know why both
pools have the same edge and Ms. Hagan said it was the best decision at the time. Mrs. Baik-
Song stated that they had a consultant who contributed to the pool design. Committee Member
Woollett stated there are not enough competitive pools to go around. Chair Wheeler said that
this issue was out of their realm and he suggested that this might be something the City Council
would be interested in discussing. Committee Member Woollett felt a few more inches would
not nullify the pool's historic content.
Committee Member DeWees wondered where the blue color came from and Mr. Morales stated
that it looked like it was originally painted blue.
Chair Wheeler had some confusion on the hardware on the doors of the storage room. Mr.
Morales said the existing hardware is contemporary. Chair Wheeler was concerned that the
preliminary plans were lacking some of the details. He was told the screen walls would be
exactly the way they are now. He felt the equipment door was being painted out to make it
disappear and he disagreed with that and it should match the other doors.
Committee Member Woollett made a motion to recommend approval of DRC No. 4241-07 to the
City Council subject to the conditions in the staff report and adding a recommendation that the
door to the equipment room be designed and painted like the others in the building.
SECOND: Donnie DeWees
AYES:Donnie DeWees, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSTAIN:None
ABSENT:Jon Califf, Bill Cathcart
MOTION CARRIED.
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2. DRC No. 4175-06, MJSP 0483-06, & AA 0144-07 - CHAPMAN UNIVERSITY
BRADEN HALL
A proposal to demolish the existing Braden Hall and surface parking lot in order to
construct a new residence hall that will accommodate 302 beds, dining commons, and
conference facility over a single level podium parking garage.
550 North Center Street
Staff Contact: Doris Nguyen, 714-744-7223, dnguyen@cityoforange.org
DRC Action: Recommendation to Community Development Director
Committee Member DeWees recused himself and left the room because he lives next door to
Chapman University.
Staff Planner Doris Nguyen provided a project overview consistent with the Staff Report.
Ken Ryan, from KTGY Group Inc., introduced the outside consultants working on the project.
He stated that the site itself is part of the overall Specific Plan and this project allows for more
residents to live on campus. This new project helps screen the parking structure. They have
provided public outreach in newsletters, met with OTPA and the Orange Barrio Historical
Society. He explained how they have minimized the access point along Grand Street. Pedestrian
movement has been improved because of the new dining commons.
Public Comment
Janet Crenshaw, address on file, was glad they excluded the access off of Shaffer.
Committee Member Woollett confirmed that the project (Davis apartments) to the north is
owned by Chapman University. Kris Olsen, Chapman University, stated that the parking lot to
the north is not reserved parking.
Committee Member Woollett mentioned they are being responsive to the design around the
community. He was concerned with putting historical styles on buildings that probably should
not have them and it mitigates the value of truly historic buildings. He understands though that
they are doing what they have been asked to do. Mr. Ryan stated that MVE tried not to do a
literal interpretation. Ms. Nguyen said the design works as a transition between Old Towne and
other neighborhoods nearby.
Jeff Larsen, architect from MVE, explained that they were trying to apply the basic textural
elements from the style and provide a smaller scale for the building. The element of the braces
provided a nice overhang on the building and adds more details. The scale of the building will
be helped by the setback and landscaping.
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Chair Wheeler felt it was a contemporary design. He wanted to confirm that the scale of the
equipment was accurate. If he had been asked in the preliminary stage of development, he would
have urged them to sink the parking level further down. Mr. Olsen indicated the structure is at
41 feet on Grand Street. Ms. Nguyen stated that the setback was required to be 20' since it was
adjacent to residents.
Chair Wheeler noticed the bracket and felt it needed the two braces. Bill Cathcart had mentioned
to Chair Wheeler that instead of using robusta they might want to go to a hybrid between robusta
and filifera that has a wider trunk than the Mexican fan palm. Roy Kato, landscape architect,
stated the reason they picked the robusta was due to the narrow conditions. Mr. Ryan said they
were trying to have some consistency in the corridor with the existing palms.
Howard Morris reminded the applicant to have the City inspect their plans and submit irrigation
and landscape plans for final approval.
Ms. Nguyen pointed out some minor changes to the site layout due to fire access issues relating
to turning radius. The light post on Grand has been moved so Fire can make a right turn and one
of the pillars on the south side of the building was removed so there would be a full 20 foot
radius.
Chair Wheeler made a motion to recommend approval of DRC 4175-07 to the Community
Development Director subject to the conditions in the staff report and with the conditions the
landscape coordinator mentioned. He also suggested they look into the hybrid tree in place of
the Mexican fan palm.
SECOND:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
ABSENT:
ItECUSED:
Joe Woollett
Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett
None
None
Jon Califf, Bill Cathcart
Donnie DeWees
MOTION CARRIED.
PLEASE NOTE: Subsequent to the meeting it was determined that although a
determination was made by the DRC at this meeting, there were not enough Committee
Members present to create a quorum. Therefore, this item will be reheard at the next DRC
meeting when a quorum can be established.
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3. DRC No. 4126-06, MNSP No. 0464-06, & AA No. 0134-07 -MACMILLAN
RESIDENCE & DETACHED GARAGE
A proposal to construct asingle-family residence with an attached garage and to
construct a detached garage. The DRC approved the subject proposal on March 21,
2007. The proposal was appealed to the Planning Commission. Portions of the proposal
related to the detached garage were remanded back to the DRC for review of further
refinements to the submitted plans.
7736 East Sandberg Lane
Staff Contact: Anne Fox, 714-744-7229, afox(c~cityoforan~e.org
DRC Action: Final Determination
Anne Fox, contract planner, explained that this project had been before the DRC twice and once
to the Planning Commission since it originally involved a CUP application as part of the
proposal. The portion that required a CUP was removed. In March the project was appealed to
the Planning Commission with one of the concerns being the utility sink and taking the roof
element off the detached structure as explained in the staff report. The appeal was upheld on
these two items and the other two were dismissed. Now it's before the DRC for reconsideration.
The Planning Commission felt more comfortable with a flat roof design to minimize the profile
of the structure. The staff report lists the conditions that would still be applicable to the project
with the dates noted when the DRC took action on those conditions.
Ian MacMillan, applicant, stated that Ms. Fox has done a fine job and they have made every
effort to make the adjustments the Planning Commission has asked them to do such as
eliminating the CUP, adjusting the height of the doors, eliminating the vertical lines to reduce the
height, eliminating the roof structure and lowering elevations.
Jay Crawford, architect, indicated this was their original concept a year ago with the horse arena
on top and getting rid of the vertical elements.
Public Comment
Mel Vernon, address on file, presented pictures of homes on Sandberg Lane. His concerns
included the garage height with a flat roof that is not in proportion to the existing setback area;
property was not posted; mass, scale, size and design unprecedented; 17' 2" height is a fire house
and an industrial design; the flat roof; stable should be set back a minimum of 50' from any
street and the pipe rail should be the same but it's not; where will the horses go; setback is only
15' from right away; no 12' high door on Sandberg Lane; and the property was excavated
without a permit. He read portions of the design infill guidelines which state flat roof designs are
discouraged, garages should be minimized on the front elevation and other restrictions. He
stated the firehouse on Santiago is 15' 3" and to say the garage doors can't be lower in height is
misleading and the project should be denied on the basis of the roof form.
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Mr. MacMillan responded to the comments by saying the majority of the structure is
underground, there was a barn originally on that same site closer to the existing street, and it's
untrue that the setbacks in the neighborhood are much further back because there are numerous
homes within 25' of the roadway.
Committee Member Woollett felt it was important to note the project has gone through several
stages and it's been discussed before so there is some precedence established in their remarks.
The current design represents the direction the DRC provided previously. The primary concern
was to get the structure as low as possible and built into the hill and that's exactly what has been
done. They have redesigned the doors which he has suggested. He didn't have any concerns
with it. It's not the same neighborhood as others and it's unique and he was willing to accept
this project.
Chair Wheeler shared his concern with Mr. Vernon on the safety of the railing. Mr. MacMillan
said it could be moved back further toward the backside of the garage. Ms. Fox suggested using
shrubbery.
Committee Member DeWees wanted to be clear on what the Planning Commission approved and
didn't approve. Ms. Fox stated from the Planning Commission staff report that the basis of the
appeal was: 1) The OMC section related to CUPS was not applied which required a CUP and
notification of the OPA board should have been made and 2) The bulk, mass, scale and setback
distance of the detached garage is inconsistent with the neighborhood per the OMC infill
guidelines or the OPA specific plan which the Planning Commission agreed with the appellant.
The other two items were not upheld which were related to the minor site plan for the garage
doors in excess of 12' in height and the public visibility of the existing driveway were obstructed
contrary to the findings that allow an administrative adjustment. These last two items were not
remanded back to the DRC for their consideration.
Mr. Vernon stated he was the appellant and he wanted to note for the record that the primary
residence plans are presented and that there needs to be consistency between the two.
Committee Member DeWees didn't feel this project was any different than other homes in that
area. He didn't feel the railing issue was anything they should get into.
Ms. Fox explained that the motion would be on the remanded portion with conditions that would
remain applicable to the project as listed on pages 7 and 8 of the DRC staff report, which brings
forward some of the conditions from February and March, with the plans for the primary
residence remaining unchanged. Condition No. 1 reflects the exhibits that were date stamped on
March 21 that the DRC has already approved and if approved, the exhibits for June 20. A final
landscaping and irrigation plan is to come back to the DRC for approval.
Committee Member Woollett made a motion to approve DRC No. 4126-06 in accordance with
the recommendations on pages 7 and 8 of the staff report. Landscape plans are to come back to
the DRC.
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SECOND: Craig Wheeler
AYES: Donnie DeWees, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: None
ABSENT: Jon Califf, Bill Cathcart
MOTION CARRIED.
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4. DRC No. 4149-06 - RONEY TWO-STORY ADDITION
A proposal to construct a new second story on an existing single-family residence.
Continued from May 2, 2007 DRC meeting.
735 North Russell Drive
Staff Contact: Sonal Thakur, 714-744-7239, sthakilr(cr~,ciyoforan~g
DRC Action: Final Determination
Staff Planner Sonal Thakur provided a project overview consistent with the Staff Report. The
DRC had originally heard the item on May 2, 2007 and suggested some modifications. The
structure height has been lowered by 4 feet so the request now is 24 feet, the pitch of the roof has
changed to 4:12, and two windows were removed on the left elevation. Even with these changes,
staff feels the proposal does not comply with residential infill guidelines. Specifically, the
square footage on the second floor has remained unchanged and there is too much mass on the
second story which changes the context of the neighborhood. DRC is to determine if it complies
with the guidelines.
Dean Elliott, designer, stated that as a result of the last meeting, the changes made were what
they were told to do. They've been able to move the front back 3'. Mrs. Roney said they did
redesign the project with the DRC direction given at the last meeting.
No public comment.
Committee Member Woollett, as he understood it, stated that the second floor north and south
walls have been extended back out but then they moved the west wall back as was suggested so
the area ended up pretty much the same resulting in an advantage structurally and moving the
second floor further away from the street. Lowering the first floor plate line down to 8' and
flatting the roof out was significant. He still worries about the chimney situation on the east
elevation because the flue is running up past the second floor resulting in an odd step over the
window out of the family room.
Committee Member DeWees felt it might be crowded on the plate lines on the French doors and
thought what is drawn may not happen.
Chair Wheeler still couldn't understand why they couldn't widen the garage. Mr. Elliott
explained that the two offices would have to be rebuilt in order to maintain the existing entry
space. Chair Wheeler suggested moving the window forward and setting the entry wall
elsewhere so it would cut down the depth so it's not a narrow, deep spot and part of the entry
within the house would make it possible to get closer to a 20' garage. Mrs. Roney was
concerned with this suggestion. Chair Wheeler had a problem with the garage because according
to the ordinance if you add more than 500 sq. ft. to a house, you are supposed to bring it up to
current code for parking. He felt that by adding so many bedrooms to the house that someone in
the future could have a lot of cars there impacting the neighborhood.
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Applicant and Staff clarified that Administrative Adjustment approval had been granted by the
Zoning Administrator for the substandard garage.
Committee Member DeWees felt he would like to see the garage larger but he thought they have
done everything else the Committee has asked them to do. He clarified the purpose of the railing
and made a suggestion on improving the design.
Committee Member DeWees made a motion to approve DRC No. 4149-06 with the staff
recommendations 1 and 2 with correct plate heights be listed on the plans, 9' plate on ground
floor, and 8' plate on the second floor.
SECOND: Joe Woollett
AYES: Donnie DeWees, Joe Woollett
NOES: Craig Wheeler
ABSTAIN: None
ABSENT: Jon Califf, Bill Cathcart
MOTION CARRIED.
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5. DRC No. 4167-06 - VALERA RESIDENTIAL ADDITION
A proposal to construct a new 476 sq. ft. addition and front porch on a 672 sq. ft. single-
family residence.
181 South Batavia Street, within the Old Towne Historic District
Staff Contact: Daniel Ryan, 714-744-7224, dryan@cityoforange.org
DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission
Staff Planner Dan Ryan provided a project overview consistent with the Staff Report. He
explained that in 2001 the applicant constructed a 148 sq. ft. addition to the rear of the property
without permits. The project was then brought before the DRC in 2001. Staff has some
concerns with the current proposal as outlined in the staff report. There is a question as to
whether the building was classified correctly and even though the updated survey has not been
adopted, there is some indication it is a contributing building. However, it's currently classified
as a non contributing building and the only place to add onto the structure is on the front of the
property. Mr. Ryan explained the staff recommendations.
Phillip Munguia, consultant, stated they are going to comply with the recommendations. All the
windows will be changed to wood, the columns will be enlarged, and changes made to the garage
as recommended.
Public Comments
Jeff Frankel, address on file, can't understand why it's deemed non contributing. He felt they are
so close to having the inventory completed on the survey and this house may turn around to be
contributing and he'd hate to lose this structure. If you tear off the front of the house, all the
defining features are gone. He'd like to see before any decisions are made if the consultant
would reconsider the structure as contributing. Mr. Ryan did not know when the survey would
be completed.
Committee Member Woollett wanted to know if they considered taking the existing front of the
building and moving it forward. Mr. Munguia said because of their budget, they had not
considered moving the whole building. Committee Member Woollett clarified he was only
talking about the facade of the building and the applicant was ok with that.
Mr. Ryan stated that if this structure had been deemed contributing, they would have a different
environmental process for handling the project.
Committee Member Woollett confirmed that the existing aluminum windows would be replaced
with wood. Chair Wheeler thought it would be better to have single or double hung wood
windows which are more in keeping with the period. He also suggested putting two 8' wood
doors on the garage with a post in the middle to support the sag. He thought if there wasn't room
for a picture window, that two double hung windows would work or to go to an imitation
casement window.
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Committee Member DeWees suggested placing the entry door in a different location. He
clarified a French door will be installed as opposed to a sliding door as shown in the plans. Line
of demarcation does not apply to this building since it is classified as non contributing.
Chair Wheeler made a motion to recommend approval of DRC No. 4167-06 to the Planning
Commission based on the conditions in the staff report and additional conditions which include
the existing porch be reused and moved forward with minimal modifications as necessary due to
damage from termites; the siding on the gable end of the house above the porch be horizontal
siding instead of the vent type shown on the plans; the windows on the front of the home be
changed to a pair of approximately 2'-6" x 5' casements in the bedroom and two windows of the
same size in the living room with a door arrangement as selected by the applicant; the garage be
revised to show two garage doors approximately 8' wide and to allow a post in the middle to
support a new ceiling beam to allow the sagging ridge of the garage to be straightened; and any
new landscaping shall have an automatic irrigation system.
SECOND: Donnie DeWees
AYES:Donnie DeWees, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSTAIN:None
ABSENT:Jon Califf, Bill Cathcart
MOTION CARRIED.
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6. DRC No. 4235-07 -ORANGE COMMUNITY CHRISTIAN CHURCH SHED
RECONSTRUCTION
A proposal to demolish a 52 sq. ft. shed addition (constructed without plans and/or
permits) and reconstruct the shed to its original size and condition.
215 North Grand Street, NEC of Grand and Maple Avenue, within the Old Towne
Historic District
Staff Contact: Daniel Ryan, 714-744-7224, dryan@cityoforange.org
DRC Action: Final Determination
Staff Planner Dan Ryan provided a project overview consistent with the Staff Report. Mr. Ryan
indicated the only reason this item is before the DRC is because the applicant could not find
historical photographs prior to previous work being done on the building. The applicant has
been asked to recycle as much original material as possible.
Gary Luther, applicant, stated that no one in the room knows what the shed looked like during
the four times it was changed during its life from 1909 to 1991. In 1991 the door on the shed
matched the door on the kitchen. In 1991 the shed door was blank and then in 1992-93 someone
tried to break into it which broke out the bottom part of the door. Chapman University then
came and replaced the door with one they had sitting in the basement of the stadium. After
purchasing the property from Chapman University a termite inspection was conducted in 2005.
They were told the shed was in bad shape with termite damage and dry rot. A temporary shelter
was built around the structure so it could still be used for storage while someone rebuilt it. The
project was red tagged by the Planning department. A pre hung door had been given to them
from Home Depot and they were told they could use that door and siding temporarily.
Public Comment
Jeff Frankel, address on file, said he agreed with staff in that the shed needs to be rebuilt as close
to the original design as can be determined with the appropriate materials and a door design to
match the church.
Mr. Luther explained the history of the shed according to information he was able to find. It's
difficult to find exactly what the shed looked like originally. Preservation is the church's
interest.
Committee Member Woollett acknowledged this project has gone through a lot of analysis.
Chair Wheeler made a motion to approve DRC No. 4235-07 according to staff recommendations
with conditions to include the eave of the shed match as close as possible with the eave of the
main building and the exterior shingle siding be mitered at the corners and corner boards not be
used.
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SECOND: Donnie DeWees
AYES:Donnie DeWees, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSTAIN:None
ABSENT:Jon Califf, Bill Cathcart
MOTION CARRIED.
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7. DRC No. 4243-07 - 807 CHAPMAN CAR CARE
A proposal for new signage for a commercial auto repair business.
807 West Chapman Avenue, within the Old Towne Historic District
Staff Contact: Daniel Ryan, 714-744-7224, dryan@cityoforange.org
DRC Action: Final Determination
Staff Planner Dan Ryan provided a project overview consistent with the Staff Report. The
signage proposal meets both the sign code and Old Towne Design Standards. The letters they
are proposing to use on the building are metal on Styrofoam with matted paint. It's not a historic
building since it was built in 1968.
Richard Masciana, representing the applicant, said they have spent a lot of time improving the
property and the new sign will fit in well.
Public Comment
Jeff Frankel, address on file, thought the signage was fine as long as it meets the Old Towne
Design Standards as to color, style and size.
Committee Member DeWees asked if it meets the area because they are only counting the car
care portion and not the 807 Chapman. Mr. Ryan said yes.
Chair Wheeler suggested if they are going to center the sign on the south elevation, they should
also center the lettering on the west elevation to keep it consistent. Committee Member DeWees
agreed with centering the lettering. Chair Wheeler wanted to make it absolutely clear that the
pole sign does not revolve.
Committee Member DeWees made a motion to approve DRC No. 4243-07 with conditions listed
in the staff report and a condition that the justification of lettering be consistent on the south and
west elevations.
SECOND: Craig Wheeler
AYES:Donnie DeWees, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSTAIN:None
ABSENT:Jon Califf, Bill Cathcart
MOTION CARRIED.
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8. DRC No. 4245-07 & MNSP No. 0519-07 - WILLIAMS/RELOCATION OF THE
IMMANUEL LUTHERAN CHURCH' S PARSONAGE
A proposal to reconfigure and rehabilitate an existing single-story residence, and
relocate the two-story parsonage residence on the lot.
372 North Cleveland Street, within the Old Towne Historic District
Staff Contact: Daniel Ryan, 714-744-7224, dryan@cityoforange.org
DRC Action: Final Determination
Chair Wheeler mentioned he did the design work for an alternate proposal to move the house to a
different site and the City Attorney didn't feel that was a reason for him to recuse himself.
Staff Planner Dan Ryan provided a project overview consistent with the Staff Report. Two
possible sites within the Old Towne Historic District were located and both were looked at
environmentally. The site chosen had some non contributing buildings on it but was in a single
story neighborhood. To mitigate this issue a condition was added requesting an additional 10-
foot setback in the front. The Committee would be looking at the changes on the site that will
allow the building to relocate to the site. They are proposing to add a basement. Mr. Ryan read
the eight modifications listed in the staff report for converting the existing single-family
residence into an accessory second unit.
Michael Williams, applicant, is really excited about the project and hopes they receive approval.
Public Comment
Steve Amort, from Immanuel Lutheran Church, stated the church had voted in favor of the
project last night. There are two hundred foot palm trees to be pulled out of the ground with
bonds in place with the City.
Jeff Frankel, address on file, stated OTPA couldn't be more pleased that this is coming to
resolution. They want to be sure that everything is preserved on the house and it would be nice if
the cast stone foundation could be saved, the design of the addition looks good but not thrilled
about an attached structure to a garage but it won't be in view from the street, and would like to
see in kind materials used on the granny unit.
Janet Crenshaw, address on file, asked if there was going to be a convoluted route that the house
would be moved along. Michael Williams described the route.
Committee Member Woollett visited the site yesterday. He showed a neighbor the plans who
then was enthusiastic about it. He stated the building looks to be in marvelous condition from
the outside.
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Chair Wheeler wanted to know if they needed to see plans of the basement. Mr. Williams said
the basement will be the full size of the house and it won't be a livable space. Chair Wheeler
disagreed on the old service porch that is going to be partially removed and wondered if there
was anyway to save as many windows as possible. Mr. Williams explained that most of the
windows would be saved. Chair Wheeler was curious about the backup space from the garage to
the porch because it doesn't look like 20' and Mr. Ryan said the traffic engineer looked at it and
it was felt there are other similar situations in Old Towne.
Chair Wheeler made a motion to approve DRC No. 4245-07 with conditions stated in the staff
report and an additional condition that the existing windows in the portion to be removed be
saved and retained as much as possible.
SECOND: Donnie DeWees
AYES:Donnie DeWees, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSTAIN:None
ABSENT:Jon Califf, Bill Cathcart
MOTION CARRIED.
City of Orange -Design Review Committee
Meeting Minutes for 20 June 2007
Page 19 of 19
ADJOURNMENT:
A motion was made by Committee Member Woollett to adjourn to the next regular meeting on
Thursday, July 5, 2007.
SECOND: Donnie DeWees
AYES: Donnie DeWees, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: None
ABSENT: Jon Califf, Bill Cathcart
MOTION CARRIED.