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06-18-2003 DRC MinutesCITY OF ORANGE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES Wednesday, June 18, 2003 Committee Members Present: Jon Califf Craig Wheeler Joe Woollett (Chair) Staff in Attendance: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner* Khanh Le, Recording Secretary Committee Member Absent: Leonard Filner Chuck Lau replaced Jim Reichert who was unable to attend. Administrative Session - 4:30 P.M. The committee met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 p.m. The meeting adjourned at approximately 6:30 p.m. Regular Session - 5:30 PM REVIEW OF MINUTES: The review and approval of the May 21, 2003 and June 4, 2003 minutes was deferred to the July 2, 2003 meeting. City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for June 18, 2003 Page 2 1. DRC No. 3738 - ST. PAUL'S LUTHERAN SCHOOL MASTER PLAN Review of final landscape plan for the St. Paul's School kindergarten addition and parking lot improvements. 901 East Heim Avenue Staff Contact: Anna Pehoushek, Senior Planner DRC Action: Final Determination Mr. Dale Hadfield (27601 Forbes Rd. #50, Laguna Niguel, CA) and Mr. Jack Perich (St. Paul's Church) presented the project. Chair Woollett and the applicant discussed what the street tree will be and whether there will be any Jacarandas remaining on site. Mr. Hadfield explained that Tabebuia is the street tree, and although many of the Jacarandas will be removed, there will still be some left on site. The discussion moved to the palms, whether the previous condition of approval was based on eight (8) foot trunk. Chair Woollett expressed the committee would be more comfortable with eight (8) foot trunk trees. After some discussion the conclusion was to stagger them, along Heim, have six (6) of the thirteen (13) palms be eight (8) foot brown trunk height, seven (7) of them be six (6) foot brown trunk height, and along the administration building, the three (3) palms there will be ten (10) foot brown trunk height. Chair Woollett addressed the Magnolias, which are slow to moderate growth. His concern is that the proposed twenty-four (24) inch box is relatively small. Mr. Hadfield replied that there would be many of them on site. The conclusion of that discussion was that there would be seven (7) Magnolias at thirty-six (36) inch, to give protection to the buildings and make up for the full grown trees that will be lost during the process. A motion was made by Committee Member Craig Wheeler to approve the project subject to the following conditions: 1. The trunk size of the Palms along Heim be six (6) of the thirteen (13) palms be eight (8) foot brown trunk height, seven (7) of them be six (6) foot brown trunk height, and along the administration building, the three (3) palms there will be ten (10) foot brown trunk height. 2. The box size of seven (7) the Magnolias be raised to thirty-six (36) inch box. 3. The applicant confirms responsibility of the street trees. 4. Submit final landscaping and irrigation plans to Community Services Department for approval. (Final plans to include City required inspection notes). SECOND: Jon Califf AYES: Jon Califf, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett NOES: None ABSENT; Leonard Filner ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for June 18, 2003 Page 3 2. DRC No. 3816-03 -THE JENSEN BUILDING Proposal to develop a 2-story, 15,293 sq. ft. office building within Old Towne on a portion of a lot that is currently developed with an antique mall, parking lot, and a Farmer's Market on Thursdays. 143 West Almond Avenue (Old Towne Historic District) Staff Contact: Mario Chavez-Marquez, Assistant Planner DRC Action: Recommendation to the Staff Review Committee Continued from OS-07-03 meeting) This item was removed form the agenda due to a lack of quorum. City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for June 18, 2003 Page 4 3. DRC No. 3827-03 -SHAWN & JANELLE HALL Proposed 498 sq.ft. addition at the rear of an existing 1905 Gable Roof Cottage. 357 N. Shaffer Street (Old Towne Historic District) Staff Contact: Daniel Ryan, Senior Planner -Historic Preservation DRC Action: Final Determination Mr. Shawn and Mrs. Janelle Hall (357 N. Shaffer) presented the project. The basic layout is to extend the current gable by four (4) feet to allow for a hallway and have the gable perpendicular to the existing gable. Ms. Janet Crenshaw (464 N. Shaffer) expressed that the house footage is smaller than it looked from the outside. Committee Member Wheeler expressed that one of the requirements of the National Secretary of Interior historic guidelines is to show some sort of demarcation of the start and stop of the old and new. He suggested lowering the roof height by about one (1) foot to show that demarcation. He explained his suggestion to the applicant, using the blueprint as illustration. Committee Member Wheeler also suggest that the staggered height will also make it easier to roof since they will not need to feather the roofing material. Committee Member Califf asked if it is the applicant's intention to take the asbestos shingles off of the house now or at a later time. Mr. Hall replied later. The committee and Mr. Hall discussed the roofing height and pitch and how Committee Member Wheeler's suggestion will also affect the porch design. The discussion then moved to how the height of the floor will be achieved. Committee Member Wheeler's preference is to construct a raised wood floor. Committee Member Wheeler raised some issues that he would like the applicants to pay attention to: 1) New roof overhang, soffit, and rafters to match existing. 2) Corner-boards on the new construction to match the original corner-board pattern. 3) Exposed railings that are not covered by a roof are not consistent with the period to the design of the existing residence. It would be more appropriate to keep the porch the same size that it was, and provide something that is more appropriate to the time period. 4) Provide more detail on the new doors along the north and south side. Door pattern should be more of the period of the existing residence. 5) Caution that the existing windows may not be reusable due to Building Code Title 24 energy requirements. City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for June 18, 2003 Page 5 3. DRC No. 3827-03 -SHAWN & JANELLE HALL (Continued) 6) Provide clarification as to what would happen if the gable vents do not provide sufficient ventilation. 7) Further study the eave height of the addition to verify compatibility with existing. A motion was made by Committee Member Craig Wheeler to continue the project. SECOND: Jon Califf AYES: Jon Califf, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett NOES: None ABSENT: Leonard Filner, ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for June 18, 2003 Page 6 4. DRC No. 3828-03 -ORANGE TOWER Modification of an existing freestanding sign for ahigh-rise office building. 500 N. State College Boulevard Staff Contact: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner DRC Action: Final Determination Continued from 06-04-03 meeting) Mr. Keith Anderson (Censource) recalled the discussion from the last meeting. This proposed design is the result of the suggestions given during the last meeting. The plan is to use painted aluminum and painted to match the current sign. Committee Member Wheeler asked what the material of the pipes would be. Mr. Anderson replied that it will also be aluminum, painted to match the building material. Chair Woollett expressed that this new design is much improved and it also provides for additional signage area. He asked if the top would be leveled. Mr. Anderson replied that the top would be slanted to facilitate drainage. Committee Member Wheeler commented that the slope should match the existing base structure. A motion was made by Committee Member Craig Wheeler to approve the project with the following conditions: 1. The slope of the new sign to match the slope of the existing sign base structure. SECOND: Jon Califf AYES: Jon Califf, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett NOES: None ABSENT: Leonard Filner, ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for June 18, 2003 Page 7 5. DRC No. 3830-03 -FORD OF ORANGE Proposal to install a single tube of neon lighting along the parapet wall of an existing automotive dealership building. 1350 W. Katella Avenue Staff Contact: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner DRC Action: Final Determination Approved as Consent Item) A motion was made by Committee Member Craig Wheeler to approve the project with the following conditions: 1. Neon lighting to be install between 6 to 8 inches below top of parapet. 2. Provide a 2 to 2'/z inch wide orange painted stripe behind the neon light. SECOND: Jon Califf AYES: Jon Califf, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett NOES: None ABSENT: Leonard Filner, ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED N:\C D D\P L N G\Council Commissions Committees\DRC\DRC 06-18-03 drem.doc