05-22-2002 DRC MinutesCITY OF ORANGE
DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE
MINUTES
Wednesday, May 22, 2002
Committee Members Present: Alice Angus
Leonard Filner (Vice Chair)
Mark Paone
Joe Woollett (Chair)
Staff in Attendance: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner
Howard Morris, Landscape Coordinator
Khanh Le, Recording Secretary
Committee Member Absent: Susan Secoy
Administrative Session - 4:30 P.M.
The committee met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 p.m. The meeting adjourned
at approximately 7:05 p.m.
Regular Session - 5:30 PM
REVIEW OF MINUTES:
A motion was made by Committee Chair Joe Woollett to approve the February 20, 2002
minutes with the following corrections:
DRC #3689 -Hilton Suites page 6 paragraph 2 sentence 2 amended as follows:
His concern was regarding one f'~ Ficus tree to be relocated and what the success rate was.
SECOND:Leonard Filner
AYES:Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:Susan Secoy
ABSTAINED:Mark Paone
MOTION CARRIED
City of Orange -Design Review Committee
Meeting Minutes for May 22, 2002
Page 2
REVIEW OF MINUTES: (Continued)
A motion was made by Committee Chair Joe Woollett to approve the March 6, 2002 minutes as
submitted.
SECOND:Mark Paone
AYES:Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Mark Paone, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:Susan Secoy
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
A motion was made by Committee Chair Joe Woollett to approve the March 20, 2002 minutes
with the following corrections:
DRC #3549 - V.R.S.J. Medical, page 3, bullet 1 amended as follows:
Q,~:~ Remove Photinia along north side of parking structure.
DRC #3696 -All Pro Remodeling page 5 bullet 1, sentence 1 amended as follows:
Existing parking will b brought into compliance. ~~-
DRC #3698 -Immanuel Lutheran Church, page 7, condition 1 amended as follows:
Upon further design development, ~ lattice element will be submitted to the DRC for
approval.
SECOND:Alice Angus
AYES:Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:Susan Secoy
ABSTAINED:Mark Paone
MOTION CARRIED
A motion was made by Committee Chair Joe Woollett to approve the April 3, 2002 minutes as
submitted.
SECOND:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
ABSTAINED
Mark Paone
Alice Angus, Mark Paone, Joe Woollett
None
Susan Secoy
Leonard Filner
MOTION CARRIED
City of Orange -Design Review Committee
Meeting Minutes for May 22, 2002
Page 3
1. DRC No. 3704 - WIENERSCHNITZEL/MATTERN SAUSAGE & MEAT
New freestanding sign for a new drive-thru restaurant and for the adjoining Mattern
Sausage & Meat business.
4327 - 4341 E. Chapman Avenue
Staff Contact: Mario Chavez-Marquez, Assistant Planner
DRC Action: Final Determination
Continued from 5/8/02 meeting)
Approved as Consent Item)
A motion was made by Committee Chair Joe Woollett to approve the project with the following
condition:
1. The height of the planter around the sign shall be 36 inches high.
The approval was based upon the following finding:
1. The proposed signage utilizes materials, colors, and design motifs that are compatible with
the building that is being identified.
SECOND: Leonard Filner
AYES: Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Mark Paone, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: Susan Secoy
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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Meeting Minutes for May 22, 2002
Page 4
2. DRC No. 3729 -MAIN STREET MEDICAL
Signage program for a new medical office complex.
230 S. Main Street
Staff Contact: Chuck Lau -Associate Planner
DRC Action: Final Determination
Brett Hubinger with VRSJ presented the project.
Committee Member Mark Paone spoke about the sign program. He feels that it looks great and
is well done, but suggests there might be a better way of installing the handicap sign. Mr.
Paone suggests that perhaps the sign can be lowered and installed on a bollard, as long as it is
code compliant.
Mr. Hubinger stated that they do have bollards running along the front of the buildings so they
can attach the handicap sign on top of a bollard to the height that is needed, possibly 42 inches.
Committee Member Alice Angus asked if the monument sign along Palmyra Avenue could be
reduced to a maximum of 42 inches in height. This is required by code.
Brett Hubinger is aware of this and will make the necessary changes.
A motion was made by Committee Member Mark Paone to approve the project with the
following conditions:
1. The freestanding sign along Palmyra Avenue to have a maximum height of 42 inches.
2. The signage for disabled parking to be lowered to 42 inches high, and/or installed on
bollards at the applicant's discretion. (Verify compliance with State Title 24 and Federal
ADA requirements)
The approval was based upon the following finding:
The proposed signage utilizes materials, colors, and design motifs that are compatible with
the building that is being identified.
SECOND:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
ABSTAINED
Leonard Filner
Alice Angus, Leonard Filner,
None
Susan Secoy
None
Mark Paone, Joe Woollett
MOTION CARRIED
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3. DRC No. 3731 - OGGI'S PIZZA & BREWING COMPANY
Storefront renovation for a new pizza restaurant and brewery.
2295 N. Tustin Street (Mall of Orange)
Staff Contact: Mario Chavez-Marquez, Assistant Planner
DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission
Jay Lindsey of the Mall of Orange introduced himself and clarified an issue that the committee
had brought up in the recommendations--the landscaping. Mr. Lindsey stated that at present
there is one missing Date Palm along the row that was originally installed. The new
landscaping with the silo vignette and the surrounding banks and planters will take the place of
the missing palm tree.
Committee Member Leonard Filner stated that the silo is fine, but wanted to clarify that the
committee was referring to the new planter around the silo.
Committee Member Mark Paone adds that there would be a condition that the mall
management maintains the palm trees.
Mr. Lindsey acknowledged that is correct, that the mall management would maintain the palm
trees.
A motion was made by Committee Member Mark Paone to recommend approval to the
Planning Commission with the following conditions:
1. The landscape planter around the silo shall be minimum 4 ft. wide.
2. Submit final landscape and irrigation plans to Community Services Department staff for
approval. (Final plans to include City required inspection notes).
The recommendation for approval is based on the following finding:
1. The project design upholds community aesthetics through the use of an internally
consistent, integrated design theme and is consistent with all adopted specific plans,
applicable design standards and their required findings.
SECOND:Leonard Filner
AYES:Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Mark Paone, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:Susan Secoy
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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4. DRC No. 3732 -AMERICAN FIRST CREDIT UNION
New freestanding sign and replacement wall signs for a credit union.
1010 W. Chapman Avenue
Staff Contact: Chuck Lau -Associate Planner
DRC Action: Final Determination
Approved on Consent Item)
A motion was made by Committee Member Leonard Filner to approve the project subject to the
following conditions:
1. Upon installation of the new freestanding sign, the irrigation system must be adjusted to
minimize over-spray onto the sign and to maintain head to head coverage.
2. Provide arrow-strip around the base of the sign.
The approval was based upon the following finding:
The proposed signage utilizes materials, colors, and design motifs that are compatible with
the building that is being identified.
SECOND:Alice Angus
AYES:Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Mark Paone, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:Susan Secoy
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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Meeting Minutes for May 22, 2002
Page 7
5. DRC No. 3738 -SAINT PAUL'S LUTHERAN SCHOOL
Expansion of an existing school facility to include the addition of new classrooms,
gymnasium, multi-purpose facilities, renovation and expansion of existing playground,
athletic field, and parking lot area.
901 E. Heim Avenue
Staff Contact: Anna Pehoushek -Senior Planner
DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission
James Beaudoin, School Principal and Darrel Hebenstreit of Architects Orange presented the
project. The project consists of three (3) phases. The first phase is the kindergarten building.
The second phase is to build the classroom, enlarge the parking lot, and make modifications to
the playground. And phase three is the creation of the multi purpose building/gymnasium, and
minor modifications to the football field. The new building components match the existing
campus. A color and materials board has been included with the submittal.
Committee Member Mark Paone asks if any of the stones or bricks from the current building is
being reused.
Mr. Hebenstreit stated that they would not be using any of the bricks that are on the old campus.
The current campus only has a few locations with bricks. It's atwo-colors brick veneer that is
an alternating vertical bands of light cream and buff colors. They will be using the buff color as
the beginning point for the color palette for the multi purpose building. They will architecturally
borrow some of the color palettes from the existing campus. There are brick columns with a
plastered window, that type of vocabulary is well established on the current building. The rest of
the vocabulary will be masonry boxes. Some are plaster and some are varying colors of
concrete blocks. The multi-purpose building would be built on a lower pad elevation
approximately 4 to 5 ft.) on the campus so that it will appear less massive. It will be the last to
get built, but he would like to see it built with phase two, depending on finances. The
commencement of construction of the three phases will revolve around the start of summer. He
hopes to start the kindergarten building this summer, the classroom and parking lot
improvements next summer, and the gymnasium the following summer.
Committee Member Mark Paone asked about the mechanical system of the gym, whether it's
going on the roof and how high is the parapet.
Mr. Hebenstreit explained that the mechanical units would be kept to a height that is no higher
that the parapet.
Committee Member Leonard Filner raised concerns with some discrepancies in the number of
the trees being removed shown on the submitted plans.
Mr. Hebenstreit stated that based on the civil engineer's surveyed ALTA plans, the plans should
be fairly accurate.
Committee Member Mark Paone states that the committee needs a confirmation of the accuracy
of the trees that are being removed as well as an accurate depiction of their size.
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5. DRC No. 3738 -SAINT PAUL'S LUTHERAN SCHOOL (Continued)
Mr. Hebenstreit explained that although they would like to retain some of the existing trees in
front of he campus, several of the Ash trees are starting to tear up the sidewalks in that area.
The removal of some of these existing trees is needed to re-configure and improve the
circulation of the student pick-up/drop-off area. They are currently working the City's Traffic
Engineering staff to develop a detailed arrival/departure program.
Committee Member Mark Paone raised concern with one of the proposed new drop-off area
near the corner of a building and asked if this could be modified to improve safety.
Mr. Hebenstreit stated that they could probably afford to lose one drop-off stall to gain better
spacing around that corner.
Mr. Hebenstreit and committee members also discussed other possible solutions for the turf
area for compliance with the Fire Department's access roadway requirements.
Committee Member Mark Paone stated that he does not have any problem with the
kindergarten and classroom buildings, but felt that the blue just does not seem to be a good
match with the stone. He asks whether the blue was a new color to the design or was it
previously there when he first came to the school.
Mr. Hebenstreit explained that they have considered other color options, but felt that the blue
was so strong with the existing campus that they would have to re-paint every building in order
to change/eliminate the blue color.
Committee Member Leonard Filner stated that he would like to see an alternative plan with
some of the new parking spaces eliminated so that a few of the larger existing trees in front can
be saved. He would also like to see the existing trees that cannot be saved be mitigated by
replacing it with new larger box-sizes trees at a one-to-one ratio. Queen palms should be
specified with 8 ft. brown trunk height minimum.
The discussion expands to the trees in city street area. There were questions as to what type of
trees would be planted there, in relations to the city's ordinance. City staff, Howard Morris -
Landscape Coordinator, explained that the City's Street Tree Supervisor would determine the
specific type of trees to be used along the City's public right-of-way. There are existing
Jacarandas along the street, but the City is currently looking to use a different tree (Tabebuia).
It was concluded that whatever tree is recommended by the City, the overall landscaping design
should be consistent with the recommendation.
Committee Member Mark Paone also suggested revising the landscape plan to include a row of
trees along the north edge of the playground area created in phase two to compliment the
existing trees that are to remain on the south edge of the playground area.
Mr. Hebenstreit stated that they prefer not having to add more trees in this area, as trees tend to
drop litter on the basketball and volleyball courts.
Committee Member Mark Paone asked if new school identification signage is proposed
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5. DRC No. 3738 -SAINT PAUL'S LUTHERAN SCHOOL (Continued)
Mr. Hebenstreit stated that the existing signage would have to be removed. Amore detailed
signage plan will be submitted later.
Committee Member Mark Paone stated that he is comfortable with recommending approval of
the project with conditions that the final site plan, landscape plan, and detailed plan for the
gymnasium building (including rooftop mechanical equipment design) return to the committee,
prior to submittal of construction documents for plan check. The conditions would be applicable
only to Phase II and Phase III, with Phase I being approved as submitted.
A motion was made by Committee Member Mark Paone to recommend approval or the project
to the Planning Commission with the following conditions:
1. Phase I (kindergarten building) is approved as submitted.
2. Phase II (classroom, parking lot expansion, and playground modifications) and Phase III
multi-purpose building/gymnasium and football field modifications) are approved, subject
to the following:
a) Prior to issuance of building permits, applicant shall submit final site plan and
landscape plan to the Design Review Committee for review and approval. Final
plans to be revised with some of the new parking spaces eliminated so that a few of
the larger existing trees in front of the school can be retained. (Final landscape and
irrigation plans to include City required inspection notes)
b) Submit final design of gymnasium building showing the rooftop mechanical system
being screened from view.
c) Recommend that all street trees be Jacarandas, but if the City's Street Tree
Supervisor specifies a different street tree, the trees shall be consistent for the entire
frontage of the school.
3. Any new school identification signage shall be reviewed and approved by the Design
Review Committee prior to issuance of sign permits.
The recommendation for approval is based on the following finding:
The project design upholds community aesthetics through the continuation of the existing
classroom building design vocabulary in the new classroom facilities, and the construction
of a new gymnasium/multi-purpose facility that is relatively simple in style and form, but
articulated through the use of varied paint and material colors and textures. Furthermore,
the proposed landscaping will create a coordinated scheme to complement and interface
with the surrounding neighborhood.
SECOND:Leonard Filner
AYES:Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Mark Paone, and Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:Susan Secoy
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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