05-08-2002 DRC MinutesCITY OF ORANGE
DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE
MINUTES
Wednesday, May 8, 2002
Committee Members Present: Alice Angus
Leonard Filner (Vice Chair)
Susan Secoy
Staff in Attendance: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner
Howard Morris, Landscape Coordinator
Madeline Russell, Recording Secretary
Committee Member Absent: Mark Paone
Joe Woollett (Chair)
Administrative Session - 4:30 P.M.
The committee met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 p.m. The meeting adjourned
at approximately 8:00 p.m.
Regular Session - 5:30 PM
A motion was made by Committee Member Alice Angus to retain Joe Woollett as Chairperson
and Filner as Vice Chairman.
SECOND: Susan Secoy
AYES: Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Mark Paone, Joe Woollett
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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REVIEW OF MINUTES:
A motion was made by Committee Member Alice Angus to approve the April 17, 2002 minutes
with the following corrections:
DRC #3705 -Chevron, Page 4, Bullet #12 amended as follows:
Applicant should specify what material is going in the pots t~ate~+a4, with final submittal to
the City.
DRC #3718 -City of Orange Main Library Expansion Project, Page 7, Bullet #12, sentence 1
amended as follows:
Committee member asked about vehicular exit/entry on Shaffer.
SECOND: Susan Secoy
AYES: Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Mark Paone, Joe Woollett
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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DRC No. 3669 -DONALD BERNARD
New replacement brick staircase at the front porch of an existing Craftsman residence.
230 S. Grand Street (Old Towne Historic District)
Staff Contact: Daniel Ryan -Senior Planner, Historic Preservation
DRC Action: Final Determination
Continued from 03-06-02 meeting)
Ken Bryant represented the applicant. Mr. Bryant noted the applicant had received Options A
and Option B from the City and was willing to employ either at the Commission's pleasure.
Public Hearing:
Jeff Frankel, OTPA, asked to review the options. Planner Chuck Lau explained the existing
steps were squared off rather than sloping and they had changed the brick top-cap to concrete
caps. Further, the only difference between the two options is how far the pedestal sticks out
beyond the steps, one is at 6-inches, the other at about 18-inches. The total length of the
pedestal is 6-ft.
Mr. Frankel indicated OTPA's position was the project should be revisited in accordance with
Old Towne Design and the Secretary of Interior Standards. There was a permit required on this
project and OTPA doesn't feel there is a lot of room for compromise. If there were other brick
elements on the house, the brick steps would be okay. It's pretty clear that like-for-like is
required.
Committee Member Ms. Angus stated that when Staff looked into it, it terms of houses of this
style and period, they found that brick was another common element. In fact, homes often time
may have, initially, either been built with brick steps or if they were built with wood, it was often
changed within a few years as the property owner obtained the finances to do so.
Planner Lau added Dan Ryan, Historic Planner, found other examples with similar use of brick
as the step element, squared off, and a majority of the examples were finished with a concrete
cap rather than brick. As far as the proportion of the brick pedestals, the intent is, using the
existing steps, to modify them to achieve the same proportion/consistency as the other
examples found in the Old Towne District. It's a sensible approach since the original steps were
already deteriorated.
Committee Member Filner further indicated the Committee believed this was an amiable
solution.
Committee Member Angus added, yes, the standards and the Secretary of Interior do
encourage the placement of like-for-like. But, we also have within our Historic Preservation
Element, as Mr. Ryan pointed out, guidelines for appropriate upgrade and looking historically at
this style of home, it was not atypical that wood steps are replaced with brick steps early on. So
is it consistent in terms of guidelines and standard the Committee is charged to follow.
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DRC No. 3669 -DONALD BERNARD (Continued)
Committee Member Susan Secoy concurred and stated that as she reviewed the project, she
was concerned with the proportion and form not being true to character with the home. It
appears that issue has been resolved. There has also been a great deal of support for this
project from the community and from the City's historic representative. Ms. Secoy indicated
preference for Option B. Vice Chair Filner also concurred with Option B, it's more in line with
what exits in the neighborhood. Mr. Bryant reiterated Option B was fine with the applicant.
A motion was made by Committee Member Alice Angus to approve the project with Option "B".
The approval is based on the following findings:
1. The proposed work conforms to the standards and design criteria referenced and/or
recommended by the Design Review Committee or other reviewing body for the project.
2. The proposed work complies with the Secretary of the Interior Standards for Rehabilitation
and Guidelines for Rehabilitation and infill development guidelines within a Historic District.
3. The proposed work will neither adversely affect the significant architectural features of the
building, nor adversely affect the character of historical, architectural, or aesthetic interest
or value of the building, its site, or the surrounding area.
SECOND: Susan Secoy
AYES: Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Mark Paone, Joe Woollett
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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2. DRC No. 3704 - WIENERSCHNITZEL
New freestanding sign for a new restaurant with outdoor patio dining area and drive-
thru lane.
4341 E. Chapman Avenue
Staff Contact: Mario Chavez-Marquez, Planning Aide
DRC Action: Final Determination
Applicant reviewed the proposal for a freestanding sign. Vice Chair Filner inquired about sign
location. Planner Lau reminded the applicant the sign must be at least 50 ft. from either property
line with a 2 ft. setback. Vice Chair Filner noted that there was not enough room with the 50 ft.
requirement and the 2 ft. setback.
Applicant indicated he was not aware of the 50 ft. requirement, and he would have to work out
sign placement with the architect.
Committee Member Secoy noted she had no problem with the aesthetics of the sign but the
Committee could not render judgment on placement without information on location and how it
works in context.
A motion was made by Committee Member Susan Secoy to continue the project.
SECOND: Alice Angus
AYES: Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy,
NOES: None
ABSENT: Mark Paone, Joe Woollett
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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3. DRC No. 3715 -SPIRIT OF AMERICA TOURS & TRAVEL
New bus dispatch facility on a vacant lot to consist of parking lot and landscape
improvements, and the use of move-on modular structures for administrative office and
caretaker's unit.
1065 N. Batavia Street
Staff Contact: Christopher Carnes -Senior Planner
DRC Action: Final Determination
Continued from 4-3-02 meeting)
Applicant reviewed the elevations as required from the last meeting.
Vice Chair Filner asked to see the colors. The applicant displayed materials and colors. He
took suggestions from the Committee.
Committee Member Secoy asked for the lighting plan. The applicant offered their solution and
indicated the police department would have final input. Also, Sensor lights are being employed
and any additional lighting would occur under the Police Department's guidance.
Because the lighting is not visible from the street Ms. Secoy asked the applicant to submit the
lighting cut-sheet to Staff for review. Everything that is visible from the street has been
presented.
Committee Member Angus inquired what materials were going to be used for the carport. They
were presented.
A motion was made by Committee Member Susan Secoy to approve the project with the
following conditions:
1. The use of dark blue slat in the fence.
2. Colors for the building are as submitted, azure blue trim with the Swiss coffee base.
3. Applicant will submit to Staff, acut-sheet for the proposed light fixtures on the front of the
building.
4. The carport will match the blue trim color in the rear of the residence building.
The approval is based on the following finding:
1. The project design upholds community aesthetics through the use of an internally
consistent, integrated design theme and is consistent with all adopted specific plans,
applicable design standards and their required findings.
SECOND:Alice Angus
AYES:Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy
NOES:None
ABSENT:Mark Paone, Joe Woollett
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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4. DRC No. 3720 -LUTHERAN HIGH SCHOOL PERFORMANCE ARTS CENTER
New 3,800 sq. ft. second-story addition and conversion of existing ±150,000 sq. ft.
gymnasium to a performing arts center.
2222 N. Santiago Boulevard
Staff Contact: Anna Pehoushek -Senior Planner
DRC Action: Final Determination
Continued from 4-17-02 meeting)
Jeff Rabbit, Architects Orange; and Rich Kahler, Lutheran High School presented the project
Mr. Rabbit stated Lutheran High School, through a previous CUP, had approved an overall
Master Plan, including an existing Gymnasium converted to a Performing Arts Center in a two-
story volume at the center of the school. As design development proceeded the sensibility of
creating a connection from an already existing, earlier phase, 2-floor space to the rear raised
seating of the Performing Arts Center became apparent, for two reasons: for exiting purposes
and to provide disabled access to the control room and some rear seats. It's significantly scaled
back from previous drawings so it can't be seen from Santiago looking to the west. It can only
be seen from southbound on Santiago for a short period when you can actually get a view
between the buildings. There is a series of windows to provide some natural light and virtually
would not make a difference. It just blends in.
Committee Member Secoy asked to see the elevations. Mr. Rabbit explained them. Ms Secoy
asked the applicant if they had read Staff's report and was in agreement with screening the
mechanical elements. Mr. Rabbit affirmed. Vice Chair Filner asked if the applicant was willing
to submit the screening to Staff for review. The applicant affirmed.
A motion was made by Committee Member Filner to approve the project subject to the following
conditions:
The applicant will submit a screening of the roof top equipment for Staff approval.
The approval is based on the following finding:
The project design upholds community aesthetics through the use of an internally
consistent, integrated design theme and is consistent with all adopted specific plans,
applicable design standards and their required findings.
SECOND:Susan Secoy
AYES:Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy
NOES:None
ABSENT:Mark Paone, Joe Woollett
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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5. DRC No. 3724 -ELEGANCE IN TIME
New freestanding sign for an existing clock retail/service business.
1610 N. Tustin Street
Staff Contact: Chuck Lau -Associate Planner
DRC Action: Final Determination
Approved as Consent Item)
A motion was made by Committee Member Susan Secoy to approve the project as submitted.
The approval was based on the following finding:
The proposed signage utilizes materials, colors, and design motifs that are compatible with
the building that is being identified.
SECOND: Alice Angus
AYES: Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Mark Paone, Joe Woollett
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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6. DRC No. 3726 -TOGO'S/BASKIN ROBBINS
Remodel of an existing restaurant building.
1610 E. Chapman Avenue
Staff Contact: Chuck Lau -Associate Planner
DRC Action: Final Determination
The architect stated the property is a portion of a shopping center and the reason for this
submission is to change the front fagade so it works with the existing building. A portion of the
building was previously added on and is now being cut back.
Vice Chair Filner asked to see the elevations, and they were presented.
The architect indicated there was a problem with the signage color. It's a new design
accommodating the colors of Baskin Robbins and Togos and the color keeps changing.
Committee Member Secoy said the signage could be submitted as a separate permit. The
applicant indicated that would be preferable.
The applicant informed the Committee the material is steel frame, earth tone, smooth finished,
stucco on the outside with a 4-ft. canopy. It is an open structure to see to the sky. In the
evenings the light is not seen from the outside but below there is plenty of lighting. The portion
that already exists has wood siding and is being replaced with stucco siding.
Committee Member Angus asked about materials. The applicant indicated color concrete would
be used wherever new pavement is needed. The applicant noted they were increasing
landscaping area to allow stacking distant for the truck to pull in. That decreases parking by
one car. Also, the lower portion would be a darker earth tone color, with an aluminum reveal.
The roof will remain, as it exists, in a neutral color.
Committee Member Angus inquired about materials for the storefront. The applicant presented
a glass of clear light green tone, which will facilitate evening view of the outside. There will
possibly be an aluminum divider to avoid a strong grid pattern.
The applicant spoke about the future sign location to obtain visibility from the street. The
signage company will provide the structure. The building has been stretch to the limit and he
would not like to impose any more structure elements on the building, it is quite old, circa 1954.
Committee Member Secoy asked about the parapet element. The applicant indicated that it
would be coming down, no box and no parapet. The signage company will do an individual
sign, without a structural element. He continued working drawings have been completed with a
hip roof and no exposed parapet element and no exhaust fans because ice cream doesn't
generate any heat. Committee Member Filner clarified the preference was to avoid a flat
element on the ends. It needed some sort of return.
The applicant continued the lighting is completely recessed into a 6-inch housing and
completely enclosed in stucco. There will be eight lights. There is no security concern because
it is right on the street and the shopping center has plenty of light. The purpose for the lighting
is to illuminate the elevation of the buildings. The lighting is 100 watts halogen. The building is
very low and requires minimal illumination. Committee Member Secoy indicated they seem to
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6. DRC No. 3726 -TOGO'S/BASKIN ROBBINS (Continued)
be a little odd and would have to be recessed. The applicant noted there would be a canopy in
the top trim color. Ms. Secoy said she doesn't have a problem with what's being proposed, but
needed further explanation of what color goes where. She was not comfortable with the color
board. Ms. Secoy asked if there was a legend.
Vice Chair Filner asked the applicant to explain what the process would be with street widening
and the landscape along the front. The applicant showed the future landscape line and
indicated the widening of the street would not occur for 3 to 4-years. The landscaping now is
according to the current plan and later when the widening occurs, it will be cut back.
Vice Chair Filner reiterated that the current landscaping is lawn, zoned and valved separately
for irrigation, to accommodate future street widening. Also, two palm trees are being removed,
and asked the applicant to put in a 24-inch box tree of either side. The applicant confirmed,
however, he'd like to save the palms if they could be transplanted. Mr. Filner advised the
applicant to compare the cost of transplanting and stated the Committee would condition if the
trees declined or died, they would have to be replaced. The applicant asked if they could
propose ficus trees, but the Committee advised against it because of possible root problems, as
they grow under the sidewalk. It was also noted the City will plant the street trees when the
improvement is done.
Vice Chair Filner clarified the palm trees are specified by brown trunk height. If palm trees are
selected, they would be a 8 ft minimum brown trunk height; if a broadleaf tree, evergreen of
deciduas, is chosen, the minimum is a 24-inch box. Cost wise, the 24-inch box is going to be
cheaper. Mr. Filner explored the shrub selection, indicated that it is tall growing and does not
take well to being cut back. He suggested something more low growing.
A motion was made by Committee Member Filner to approve the project with the following
conditions:
1. Plant two 24-inch box broadleaf trees or two palm trees, minimum 8 ft brown trunk height
species with approval by Staff.
2. Lights under the soffet would be recessed.
3. Staff has final approval of the color board and finishes.
4. Signage will be submitted under a separate permit application.
The approval is based on the following findings.
1. The project design upholds community aesthetics through the use of an internally
consistent, integrated design theme and is consistent with all adopted specific plans,
applicable design standards and their required findings.
SECOND: Alice Angus
AYES: Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Mark Paone, Joe Woollett
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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7. DRC No. 3727 - FAZOLI'S RESTAURANT
New freestanding sign, wall signs, directional signs and neon accent lighting for a new
restaurant with drive-thru lane.
1333 N. Glassell Street
Staff Contact: Chuck Lau -Associate Planner
DRC Action: Final Determination
Approved as Consent Item)
A motion was made by Committee Member Leonard Filner to approve the project as submitted.
The approval was based upon the following finding:
The proposed signage utilizes materials, colors, and design motifs that are compatible with
the building that is being identified.
SECOND:Susan Secoy
AYES:Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy
NOES:None
ABSENT:Mark Paone, Joe Woollett
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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8. DRC No. 3729 -MAIN STREET MEDICAL
Sign program for a new medical office complex.
230 S. Main Street
Staff Contact: Chuck Lau -Associate Planner
DRC Action: Final Determination
A motion was made by Committee Member Susan Secoy to continue the project.
SECOND:Alice Angus
AYES:Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy
NOES:None
ABSENT:Mark Paone, Joe Woollett
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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