05-07-2003 DRC MinutesCITY OF ORANGE
DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE
MINUTES
Wednesday, May 7, 2003
Committee Members Present: Jon Califf
Craig Wheeler
Joe Woollett (Chair)
Leonard Filner
Staff in Attendance: Jim Reichert, Planning Manager
Khanh Le, Recording Secretary
Committee Member Absent: None
Administrative Session - 4:30 P.M.
The committee met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 p.m. The meeting adjourned at
approximately 8:00 p.m.
Regular Session - 5:30 PM
REVIEW OF MINUTES:
A motion was made by Committee Member Craig Wheeler to approve the April 16, 2003 minutes subject
to the following corrections:
DRC #3813-03 -Dominic Walsh, pale 3, paragraph 2, sentence 2 amended as follows:
Mr. McGee replied that they would not, since most of the preparation work has already been done.
Paragraph 5, sentence 1 amended as follows:
Committee Member Wheeler asked about the soffited eaves.
Condition 2, sentence 1 amended as follows:
Chair Woollett asked if a particular ~ line on the drawing was a beam going across the front of the
house.
Condition 4, sentence 2 amended as follows:
Committee Member Califf suggested that the applicant run the floor sheeting out to the outside wall, to
help with the ~~+°m^' ^''^~~°^ load transfer due to the ~ inset.
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Condition 8, sentence 1 amended as follows:
Mr. Walsh explained that he had previously planned to use architectural roof shingles, but has now
decided to go with a ~e composition shingle.
SECOND: Jon Califf
AYES: Jon Califf, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: Leonard Filner
MOTION CARRIED
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DRC No. 3790-03 - EZ LUBE
New automotive Tube/oil change facility and new restaurant building.
3232 E. Chapman Avenue
Staff Contact: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner
DRC Action: Final Determination
Mr. Timothy Boe, the architect (1040 Alpine Villa Dr., Altadena, CA) represented the applicant. Staff
Member Chuck Lau presented the project. Mr. Lau explained that this would be a combination of an EZ
Lube store and some sort of food store. He added that because the site is located at a critical intersection,
additional dedication is needed to accommodate construction of a right turn lane.
Committee Member Filner addressed a few issues:
1) He asked if there are any problems with parking, meeting all requirements. Mr. Lau replied that
staff is currently working on that.
2) He asked if the scheduling of the building and the widening of street would take place at the same
time. Mr. Lau replied he does not know the timing of the widening of the street, but the applicant
plans to have the building set back and prepared for whenever the city chooses to do the
widening.
3) He asked what would happen to the street trees once the dedication takes place. Staff Member
Howard Morris replied they would be replaced.
4) He commented that the Jacaranda trees selected are noted for their flowers dropping onto cars and
streets, so the applicant may want to change the species. Mr. Boe replied that the client would
definitely be open to that.
5) He added that all palm trees need to be eight (8) foot minimum brown trunk height.
6) He commented that the shrub design is too simple, and he would like to suggest the applicant
work with the landscape architect to dress it up a little more--add more variety because it's a
highly visible area.
Chair Woollett commented that the roof material sample is unclear, not indicating whether it is supposed
to be clay or concrete. Mr. Boe replied that the material at other locations he has visited is clay. Chair
Woollett said the committee would interpret it to be clay.
He commented that he presumes the signs will be submitted separately. Staff replied that is correct.
Chair Woollett wanted to verify that the stucco is applied over concrete blocks and foam trims added to
the concrete blocks. Mr. Boe replied that is correct. Chair Woollett then assumed that the terracotta the
would then be put right on the concrete block. Mr. Boe was in agreement of the presumption. The
committee discussed how the terracotta is being applied around the corners.
Committee Member Califf asked for clarification as to whether it is stamped concrete or colored concrete.
Mr. Boe replied that he is assuming that it is stamped concrete.
A motion was made by Committee Chair Joe Woollett to approve the project with the following
conditions:
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1. The terracotta tiles be a natural color tile, and that at the openings of the building the tiles
wrap around all windows and recesses;
2. The paving around the restaurant be either a the or a stamped color concrete;
3. The mission the roofing be clay;
4. The queen palms be eight (8) foot brown trunk height
5. The foundation plantings between the drive approaches provide a minimum of four (4) shrub
varieties for design and interest;
6. The applicant work with staff for a substitution tree species for the Jacarandas;
7. Submit final landscape and irrigation plans with city notes to staff;
8. Signage will return. on a separate package.
SECOND: Jon Califf
AYES: Jon Califf, Leonard Filner, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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2. DRC No. 3815-03 -WILLIAM SILBERMANN
New residential duplex development.
304 S. Hewes Street
Staff Contact: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner
DRC Action: Final Determination
Mr. Robert Colin (3810 E. Palm Ave.), the architect, represented the applicant. Staff Member Chuck Lau
presented the project. He explained that this project has been approved once before, but the applicant did
not have the finances available at the time to construct the project, so it is now being brought back to go
through the same process. This area is zoned R2, two family units. Mr. Colin explained the design for
the committee, including the colors and elevation.
Chair Woollett addressed a few issues:
1) He asked if a particular section on the drawing is a trash area. Mr. Colin replied that it is for
maintenance or landlord storage area. Chair Woollett asked where the trash area was located.
Mr. Colin replied that the cans are in a garage, like in other residential areas.
2) He asked for the dimension of the garages, and he commented that it looks like there is space on
the side for trashcans.
3) He expressed concerns that there is so much concrete and little planting.
The committee and Mr. Colin then discussed optional ways to get more trees and plantings into the
limited space.
Chair Woollett asked if he is amenable to incorporating the suggested changes and bring it back to the
committee. Mr. Colin replied in the affirmative.
Committee Member Califf asked if the utilities are underground or overhead. Mr. Colin replied that they
are underground.
Chair Woollett asked for the fencing to be defined better.
Committee Member Filner suggested the applicant bring back a color board of material.
A motion was made by Committee Chair Joe Woollett to continue the project.
SECOND: Craig Wheeler
AYES: Jon Califf, Leonard Filner, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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DRC No. 3821-03 -JON & TERI CALIFF
New 1-1/2 story Craftsman styled single-family residence and a detached accessory second unit
over a 3-car garage.
365 N. Harwood Street (Olc~ Towne Historic District)
Staff Contact: Daniel Ryan, Senior Planner -Historic Preservation
DRC Action: Final Determination
Committee Member Califf excused himself from the project because of a conflict of interest.
Staff Member Dan Ryan presented the project on behalf of the applicant, as outlined in the staff report.
He explained the changes the applicant has submitted subsequent to the committee receiving their
packets. Mr. Ryan outlined the square footage, the style, the parking requirement, the proposed colors,
and layout of the unit. He concluded that both structures meet the requirements dictated by code.
Chair Woollett asked for the material of the siding. Staff Member Ryan replied that it would be wood.
Public participation included:
Mr. Jeff Frankel (384 S. Orange St.) asked if cultured stone or real stone would be used. Mrs. Califf
replied that it would be real stone. Mr. Frankel asked whether the material of the windows and sidings
would also be wood. Mrs. Califf replied that it would be redwood. Mr. Frankel also asked if there are a
lot of backyard units on the rest of the street. Mr. Ryan replied in the negative. Mr. Frankel wanted to
clarify whether the FAR calculates to .35 Mr. Ryan replied that is correct.
Committee Member Filner expressed appreciation that real wood and real stone will be used.
Committee Member Wheeler wanted to address a few issues:
1) He suggested changing the corners of house to "mitred corners" instead of what is being
proposed.
2) He suggested moving the brackets at the corners so they will all be consistently spaced.
3) He suggested dropping the ceiling height, to carry the shed roof across.
4) He asked whether the gable vents are real and whether they will be screened? Mrs. Califf replied
that they are real and they will be screened.
5) He commented that the "architectural style" roofing material being called out usually means a
heavy shake; he suggested using something that looks a little smoother. Mr. Ryan clarified that
the drawing calls for sometMng that is smooth.
6) He asked whether the intent is a segmented garage door or a slab door; he recommended using a
slab garage door. Mrs. Califf clarified that the intent is to use a slab type door.
7) He commented that the drawing shows there are two (2) set of stairs into the basement, but only
one is required. Mrs. Califf replied that the two (2) sets of stairs are planned for convenience.
A motion was made by Committee Member Craig Wheeler to approve the project with the following
conditions:
1. The exterior wood sidings have mitred corners, rather than corner boards.
2. The designer restudy the location of corbel brackets to have a consistent distance from the corner
of the house to the brackets-suggested something in the range of six to eight inches.
3. The garage door be one (1) piece fold up slab rather than sectional.
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SECOND: Leonard Filner
AYES: Leonard Filner, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: Jon Califf
MOTION CARRIED
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