04-19-2000 DRC MinutesCITY OF ORANGE
DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE
MINUTES
for Wednesday, April 19, 2000
Committee Members Present: Leonard Filner
Vern Jones*
Mark Paone
Susan Secoy (Chair)
Joe Woollett (Vice Chair)
Replaced Linda Boone for this meeting)
Staff in Attendance: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner
Howard Morris, Landscape Coordinator
Committee Members Absent: Linda Boone
Administrative Session - 4:30 P.M.
The board met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 p.m. The meeting adjourned at
approximately 9:00 p.m.
Regular Session - 5:30 PM
REVIEW OF MINUTES:
A motion was made by Joe Woollett to approve the April 5, 2000 minutes as submitted.
SECOND:Susan Secoy
AYES:Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:Linda Boone
ABSTAINED:Vern Jones
Mark Paone
MOTION CARRIED
The review and approval of the March 22, 2000 minutes was deferred to the May 3, 2000
meeting.
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DRC No. 3299 -SPIRIT & TRUTH WORSHIP CENTER
Final landscape review for an approved new church facility
4700 E. Walnut Avenue
DRC Action: Final Determination
The project was presented by Scott Holland with Design ARC, Inc. Mr. Holland is replacing the
previous architect Mr. Joseph Columbo. The site plan and building elevations were approved
by the Planning Commission back in 1998. This is a submittal of the final landscape plans per
the DRB's condition of approval.
The DRC expressed concerns with not having the final building elevation plans as part of this
submittal. The DRC needs to review the proposed landscape plan in context with the approved
site and building elevation plans in order to have a better understanding of the overall project.
The DRC also suggested the use of planting materials that are more dense to help screen the
building such as Carrotwood trees.
MOTION by Susan Secoy to continue the project per discussion above.
SECOND: Mark Paone
AYES: Leonard Filner, Vern Jones, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: Linda Boone
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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2. DRC No. 3380 -ORANGE COMMERCE CENTER
New freestanding signs for an existing office complex
505 S. Main Street
DRC Action: Final Determination
Approved as consent item)
MOTION by Susan Secoy to approve the project as a submitted.
SECOND:Leonard Filner
AYES:Leonard Filner, Vern Jones, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:Linda Boone
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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3. DRC No. 3416 - LA PLATA ENTERPRISES, INC.
Landscape review for an approved senior housing project
170 N. Prospect Street
DRC Action: Final Determination
The final landscape plans were presented by Leonard Filner, Landscape Architect. This is a
submittal of the final landscape plans for an approved senior housing project.
MOTION by Joe Woollett to approve the project with the following conditions:
1. Change Rain Bird 1804 to 1806 Series sprinklers.
2. Provide symbol on planting legend indicating plant material size for shrubs and trees.
3. Submit final landscape and irrigation plans to Community Services Department staff for
approval.
SECOND:Susan Secoy
AYES:Vern Jones, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:Linda Boone
ABSTAINED:Leonard Filner
MOTION CARRIED
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4. DRC No. 3528 -FRANK CHAO
New custom single family residence
6143 Cliffway Drive
DRC Action: Final Determination
Continued from 03/22/00 meeting
The project was presented by the owner, Mr. Frank Chao. The plans have been revised to
address the DRC's concerns stated from previous meeting. His Landscape architect has met
with the Fire Marshall for fuel modification requirements, but was unable to arrive at a solution
that would satisfy both the DRC concerns and the Fire Department's requirements.
Mark Paone asked if the wet zone can be extended further down the slope to allow for the
planting of trees, similar to another project that was approved earlier this year. The applicant
should also submit a site section drawing to illustrate the slope conditions of the site. The DRC
is concerned with the view from down the slope.
MOTION by Vern Jones to approve the site and building elevation plans, including the exterior
finish materials and color palette, subject to the following conditions:
1. Applicant to meet with the Fire Department and Planning staff to work out a better solution.
2. Submit final landscape plans to DRC for approval.
SECOND: Mark Paone
AYES: Leonard Filner ,Vern Jones, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: Linda Boone
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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5. DRC No. 3532 -ORANGE ROTARY SENIOR APARTMENTS
New 5 unit senior housing project in Old Towne
North side of La Veta Avenue between Olive Street and Lemon Street
DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission
Applicant not present)
MOTION by Mark Paone to continue the project.
SECOND:Susan Secoy
AYES:Leonard Filner ,Vern Jones, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:Linda Boone
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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6. DRC No. 3533 -HOWARD JOHNSON MOTEL
Proposed expansion and renovation of an existing motel
1930 E. Katella Avenue
DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission
The project was presented by Mr. Tom Lim, Architect. The proposal is to expand and remodel
an existing motel that was originally approved by the Planning commission over 2'/2 years ago.
The business is under new ownership, and they are ready to re-submit their application to the
City again. The remodeling includes raising the roof pitch and porto cochere to achieve a more
proportioned building, and to better screening for the roof mounted mechanical equipment. The
existing landscaping will also be upgraded to provide a more pleasant environment.
Leonard Filner stated that the proposed landscaping is a great improvement over the existing.
There are plenty of large size trees through out the site.
MOTION by Susan Secoy to recommend approval of the project to the Planning Commission
with the following conditions:
1. All roof mounted mechanical equipment shall be screened from view.
2. Prior to issuance of building permits, submit final landscape and irrigation plans to
Community Service Department for approval. Final plans to include City required inspection
notes.
SECOND:Vern Jones
AYES:Leonard Filner
NOES:None
ABSENT:Linda Boone
ABSTAINED:None
Vern Jones, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
MOTION CARRIED
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7. DRC No. 3534 -DAN'S CHEVRON
Replacement new automotive service station with mini mart
3301 E. Chapman Avenue
DRC Action: Final Determination
The project was presented by the owner Mr. Taniel Keheian and his contractors Mr. Mark
Warren and Mr. Larry Blaine. The proposal is to demolish the existing service station and
construct a new 2,400 sq.ft. facility to include a new mini mart. The building would be
constructed from block with a metal standing-seam roof. The exterior finish is to be stucco and
painted with Chevron's corporate colors.
Susan Secoy asked if the exterior finish materials and colors can be more consistent with the
recently remodeled Stater Brothers supermarket (formerly Albertson's) at the adjoining
shopping center. Would there be any objections to using a similar split-face block at the base
of the building to create some continuity with the adjoining center?
Mark Paone agreed and stated that exterior material sample and color palette must be
submitted at their next meeting prior to the DRC granting final approval.
Leonard Filner raised concerns with the proposed use of Oleanders because these trees are
susceptible to bacterial leaf scorch which there is currently no control to prevent this disease.
Suggest replacing the Oleander with Tristania, Australian Willow or Camphor trees.
MOTION by Susan Secoy to continue the project with the following conditions:
1. Exterior finish materials and color palette to match or compliment the recently remodeled
Stater Brothers supermarket at the adjoining shopping center.
2. Investigate the use of split face block at the base of the building (all 4 sides).
3. Submit exterior finish material sample and color palette.
4. Recommend replacing Oleander with Tristania, Australian Willow or Camphor trees.
minimum 25% of trees shall be 24 inch box size or larger)
SECOND:Vern Jones
AYES:Leonard Filner
NOES:None
ABSENT:Linda Boone
ABSTAINED:None
Vern Jones, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
MOTION CARRIED
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8. DRC No. 3535 -CITY OF ORANGE
Renovation of existing public restrooms
Orange Metrolink Station -Atchison Street
DRC Action: Final Determination
The project was presented by Jess Garcia with the Department of Community Services, and the
landscape architect Mr. Randy Meyer. The proposed improvements are intended to provide
added security and privacy. There have been vandalism and graffiti problems in the past.
Colors will match with the existing building.
MOTION by Mark Paone to approve the project as submitted.
SECOND:Joe Woollett
AYES:Leonard Filner ,Vern Jones, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:Linda Boone
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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9. DRC No. 3536 - ALBERTSON'S
Renovation of an existing super market
940 N. Tustin Street
DRC Action: Final Determination
The project was presented by Mr. Virgil Griffin and Mr. Gang Chen with Jallali Griffin Architects,
Inc. The proposal is to remodel the exterior building facade of an existing supermarket. The
market was recently changed from Lucky's to Albertson's.
Mark Paone commended the architect for a well designed project. However, there are still
some design details that need to be resolved (i.e. diagonal scoring pattern material, roof coping
material, lighting fixtures, ceramic tiles, canopy, etc.), prior to final approval.
Susan Secoy agreed and stated that the proposed renovations will make improvements to the
existing shopping center.
MOTION by Mark Paone to continue the project with the following conditions:
1. Submit exterior finish material sample and color palette.
2. Submit detailed section drawings and/or manufacturer's specifications (cut sheet) per
discussion above.
SECOND:Vern Jones
AYES:Leonard Filner ,Vern Jones, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:Linda Boone
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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10. DRC No. 3537 - KATELLA PLAZA
Renovation of an existing retail shopping center
1333 N. Glassell St. & 215, 217-317 E. Katella Avenue
DRC Action: Final Determination
The project was presented by Mr. Lon Bike with Architectural Team 3, and Karen Stinson with
Wohl Investment Company. The proposal is to remodel an existing retail center that was
originally constructed in the 60's. The building elevations will have a more contemporary
appearance and roof tiles that are similar to the "Pep Boys" building. The project also includes
an upgrade of the existing landscape areas.
Mark Paone suggested to the applicants that signage opportunities should be taken into
consideration for the new raised roof parapet. This will avoid future tenant signage problems.
Susan Secoy stated that she is enthusiastic with the overall improvements to the image of the
existing center, but felt that more information is still needed prior to final approval by the DRC.
A more updated color rendering is needed, as well as an elevation drawing of the entire center
to show how it all ties-in together. The submittal should also include cut-sheets of the proposed
awning and lighting fixtures.
MOTION by Mark Paone to continue the project per the above discussion.
SECOND: Vern Jones
AYES: Leonard Filner ,Vern Jones, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: Linda Boone
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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11. DRC No. 3538 -JENNIFER ROSS
Second story addition to an existing single family residence
933 E. Van Bibber
DRC Action: Final Determination
The project was presented by the owners James and Jennifer Ross. The proposed second
story addition was approved by the Zoning Administrator to allow a 4 ft. side yard setback along
the east property line.
MOTION by Leonard Filner to approve the project with the following condition:
1. Provide one additional tree for a total of three 24 inch box trees (Carolina Cherry) along the
east building elevation.
SECOND:Susan Secoy
AYES:Leonard Filner ,Vern Jones, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:Linda Boone
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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12. DRC No. 3540 - CHAPMAN UNIVERSITY
Demolition of an existing parking lot and replace with a new 700 car parking structure at
a university campus located within the Old Towne District
One University Drive
DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission
The project was presented by the project manager for Chapman University Mr. John Biggs, and
the project architect Bob Hornacek. The proposal is to construct a 4 story parking structure that
will accommodate approximately 700 cars to be located on the existing site of the stadium and
the Orange Street parking lot. The presentation included a study model to illustrate the
relationship to the campus and the future chapel located adjacent to south of the proposed
parking structure. The project has been scheduled for public hearing before the Planning
Commission on June 5, 2000.
Susan Secoy asked if the chapel can be reviewed in conjunction with the proposed parking
structure? The chapel is such a prominent building within the university campus.
Mr. Biggs replied that Chapman University prefers to process only the parking structure, and
not to include the future chapel at this time. The chapel will not commence until this project is
completed.
Susan Secoy opened the meeting for public comments.
Janet Crenshaw expressed her concerns with the tall parking structure being seen from
Glassell Street. If the university claims that there is already enough parking (complies to code),
then why the need for another parking structure?
Mr. Biggs replied that the structure is located 180 ft. away from Glassell Street, and it is heavily
planted to help soften its appearance. The height and setbacks are within parameters of the
adopted Chapman University Specific Plan. The exterior finish materials also ties-in with the
rest of the campus. Mr. Biggs further stated that the design is attractive and therefore is not
imposing to the neighborhood.
Mark Paone stated that section drawings (extending out to Glassell Street) are needed to better
understand the visual impacts of the structure on the surrounding community. Also, some
additional photographs of the surrounding area with the parking structure superimposed would
be very helpful.
Joe Woollett stated that Chapman University is an important part of the community, and that the
design of the structure needs to be sensitive to the residential neighbors. Mr. Woollett also
stated the since the chapel is such an important building for the university campus, he would
not want to compromise its design in any way by pre-approving a structure that is immediately
adjacent to it.
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Mr. Biggs stated that although the plans had already been done, that they have delayed
bringing the parking structure to the DRC until now because more time was needed to study the
chapel so that its design would not be comprised by the parking structure.
Mark Paone stated that although the design approach is consistent with the existing parking
structure (at Sycamore), there are some differences in terms of scale as this is a much longer
structure. Perhaps one solution (per the recommendations of the City's Senior Historic
Preservation Planner Mr. Daniel Ryan), is to mask the repetitive appearance of the floor plates
by adding strong vertical elements to help off-set the horizontal character of the parking
structure. Another concern is that along the south side, the structure abruptly ends in a flat
wall. There needs to be some type of "terminus" to help tie-in with the chapel.
Susan Secoy stated that the structure is very "skeletal", and is very obvious that it is a parking
structure. Although she does not have any objections to "honest" architecture (by not hiding
what it actually is), however, this is in a very sensitive context within a historic district. The
structure with its extreme length and monumental scale, needs to be broken up into more
sensitive massing design approach. Also, the landscape planters need to be extended further
out to the corners of the parking structure.
Mr. Hornacek disagreed and stated that the structure would appear more massive if solid
elements are introduce into the design. The parking structure's simple lines and its "frailty" is
actually an advantage.
Mark Paone stated that there is not enough information at this time for the DRC to conclude
that what is being presented at this meeting is the final solution. The applicants needs to
explore other alternatives to assure that this best design solution.
MOTION by Mark Paone to continue the project per the above discussion.
SECOND:Vern Jones
AYES:Vern Jones, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:Linda Boone
ABSTAINED:Leonard Filner
MOTION CARRIED
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13. DRC No. 3541 -FAIRCHILD CLEANERS
New wall sign for an existing laundry/cleaners business
655 S. Main Street, Ste. 200
DRC Action: Recommendation to Zoning Administrator
Approved as a consent item)
MOTION by Susan Secoy to recommend approval of the project as submitted to the Zoning
Administrator.
SECOND: Joe Woollett
AYES: Leonard Filner, Vern Jones, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: Linda Boone
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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