03-22-2000 DRC MinutesCITY OF ORANGE
DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE
MINUTES
for Wednesday, March 22, 2000
Board Members Present: Leonard Filner
Mark Paone
Susan Secoy (Chair)
Joe Woollett (Vice Chair)
Linda Boone
Staff in Attendance: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner
Howard Morris, Landscape Coordinator
Administrative Session - 4:30 P.M.
The board met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 p.m. The meeting adjourned at
approximately 8:45 p.m.
City of Orange -Design Review Committee
Meeting Minutes for March 22, 2000
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Regular Session - 5:30 PM
REVIEW OF MINUTES:
A motion was made by Joe Woollett to approve the February 23, 2000 minutes with the
following corrections:
DRC #3384 - LEMAR LUNDQUIST, page 5, paragraph 3, sentence 1 amended as follows:
Susan Secoy asked if it would be feasible to remove the plywood and repair the existing
redwood siding underneath, and only ~~ replace that which is damaged beyond repair.
Page 5, paragraph 3, sentence 3 added as follows:
h h„ ,,,~+ .,~ ,.,,~+ ~~,,,.+,,,,,~ Some members felt the cost of this approach
may not be significantly different that the one preferred by the applicant.
Page 5, paragraph 4 added as follows:
Mr. Paone felt that since the City Council had indicated to Mr. Lindquist the City's willingness to
accept a reasonable claim for the initial mistake, attempting to save as much siding as possible
would be the most consistent with the Secretary of the Interior Standards and set the right
precedent for future projects.
Page 5, paragraph 5, sentence 2 amended as follows:
He felt it would be far too labor intensive since the original siding is already too old and brittle.
Page 5, paragraph 5, sentence 3 amended as follows:
rCtYr He felt tearing down the plywood would simply further damage it beyond repair.
Page 5, paragraph 6, sentence 3, amended as follows:
He would like to see the f+~ remove plywood and repair/replace as necessary approach.
Page 5, paragraph 8, sentence 3 amended as follows:
The applicant stated that the straps were done without any building permits.
Page 5, paragraph 8, sentence 4 added as follows:
Mr. Paone and staff informed Mr. Lundquist that seismic straps need a building permit.
SECOND:Leonard Filner
AYES:Linda Boone, Leonard Filner, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:None
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
The review and approval of the March 8, 2000 minutes were deferred to the April 5, 2000
meeting.
City of Orange -Design Review Committee
Meeting Minutes for March 22, 2000
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1. DRC No 3380 -ORANGE COMMERCE CENTER
Landscape improvements for an existing high-rise office complex
505 S. Main Street
DRC Action: Final Determination
The project was presented by Bob Clark -Landscape Architect, Tom Gillen -Cal Vest Realty,
and Jerry Cox -Project Manager. The existing building is currently undergoing renovation that
was originally approved by the Design Review Board back in November 1998. This is a
submittal of the final landscape plans per the DRB's condition of approval. The plan also
indicates three (plus two alternate) locations for freestanding signs. The design and details of
the freestanding signs will be submitted to the DRC at a later date.
Leonard Filner expressed concerns with the lack of trees along the building's street frontages.
Based on photographs of the site, it appears that there were some existing trees along Main
Street that were removed from in front of the building.
Bob Clark stated that the planting area along La Veta Avenue would be too narrow for trees.
However, they would be agreeable to extend a row of palm trees to match those along the Main
Street frontage in front of the building.
MOTION by Mark Paone to approve the project, subject to the following conditions:
1. Provide two (2) additional palm trees to match along Main Street in front of the existing
building. (Washingtonia Robusta or Queen Palms are approved)
2. Submit signage plans to DRC for approval. The proposed signage locations (including
alternate) are approved, subject to compliance with City code requirements.
SECOND:Leonard Filner
AYES:Linda Boone, Leonard
NOES:None
ABSENT:None
ABSTAINED:None
Filner, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
MOTION CARRIED
City of Orange -Design Review Committee
Meeting Minutes for March 22, 2000
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2. DRC No. 3513 - WIENERSCHNITZEL
New restaurant with drive-thru lane
108 W. Lincoln Avenue
DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission
Approved as consent item)
MOTION by Susan Secoy to recommend approval of the project to the Planning Commission
with the following conditions:
1. Applicant to work with City staff regarding potential light spillage onto adjoining properties.
SECOND:Joe Woollett
AYES:Linda Boone, Leonard Filner, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:None
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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Meeting Minutes for March 22, 2000
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3. DRC No. 3515 - LEASON POMEROY
Signage for a new commercial building in Old Towne
152-154 N. Glassell Street (The Courtyard)
DRC Action: Recommendation to Zoning Administrator
Continued from 3-08-00 meeting
The project was presented by the property owners Mr. AI Ricci and Mr. Lesson Pomeroy. This
is a comprehensive sign program for the new Courtyard building. The issue of signage in the
downtown area was part a study that was done by the Design Collaborative several years ago.
The focus of the study was to create a more attractive and economically viable downtown area.
The study showed that proper signage has added significantly to the vitality of other areas.
There are examples of other properties in the area that have successfully incorporated the use
of neon for their signage, including Detrich's Coffee, Southside Market, Masonic Temple, Rod's
Liquor, etc. There is also an old photograph of Daniel's Food Market that clearly showed the
proper use of neon in a historic context. The intent of the project is to set precedent by making
a positive statement, and to encourage other property owners in area to do the same.
Linda Boone added that the City's intent is to consolidate the City owned public parking lot with
private parking in the back of this building. This project will serve as a focal point and provides
a valuable pedestrian access way that will connect the two areas. She commended the
applicants for their cooperation and willingness to work with the City in their efforts.
Joe Woollett opened the discussion to public comments.
Joan Crawford asked that on the original photographs, it showed the "Santa Ana Valley
Irrigation Company" printing. Are the existing signs being moved?
Mr. Pomeroy replied that the historic "Santa Ana Valley Irrigation Company" bronze lettering
sign would be preserved and moved up to the top of the building. The existing non-historic
plywood sign is dilapidated and will be discarded.
Mark Paone complimented the applicant for a good signage concept. The design approach is
appropriate and sensitive to the downtown area.
Leonard Filner stated that that he is comfortable with the sign program as proposed. It is
sensitive to Old Towne, and it brings in a contemporary flavor.
Mark Paone finds the project to be consistent with the Secretary of Interior's Standards, and
complies with the City's Old Towne Design Standards.
City of Orange -Design Review Committee
Meeting Minutes for March 22, 2000
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3. DRC No. 3515 - LEASON POMEROY (Continued)
MOTION by Mark Paone to recommend approval of the project to the Zoning Administrator with
the following conditions:
1. Submit primary tenant signage plans to DRC for approval.
SECOND:Leonard Filner
AYES:Linda Boone, Leonard Filner, Mark Paone, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:None
ABSTAINED:Susan Secoy
MOTION CARRIED
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Meeting Minutes for March 22, 2000
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4. DRC No. 3521 - CHAPMAN UNIVERSITY
New 4-story student dormitory at Chapman University
Chapman University campus between Grand and Center Streets north of Walnut
Avenue
DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission
Continued from 3/08/00 meeting
The project was presented by the project manager for Chapman University Mr. John Biggs, and
the project architect Bob Hornacek. The revised plans and photographs showed the existing
condition at the exterior plaza area located south of the new residence hall. City staff has also
met with the Fire Department regarding the 20 ft. wide fire lane on the north side of the building.
Susan Secoy opened the meeting to public comments.
Ms Carol Walters asked where is this building located?
Mr. Biggs replied that the new building is to be located behind the existing dormitory, north of
Walnut Avenue.
Mark Paone raised concerns with the actual landscape materials in the exterior plaza area that
seems less than successful. Are there any proposed changes? How does it all tie-in?
Mr. Hornacek responded that there a very clear delineation of the new residence hall versus
what currently exists, which is more of a formal space with hardscape and planters.
Leonard Filner stated that he does not see anything wrong with the landscape design approach.
The planting palette is formal in nature, which is not a deviation from the existing residence hall.
Susan Secoy agreed and stated that the DRC's concerns have been adequately addressed and
she is comfortable with the project as submitted.
Mark Paone reiterated his concerns regarding with community aesthetics. The applicant should
keep in mind that when it comes time to re-develop the existing student housing to the north,
that adequate space be provided for landscape opportunity to help soften the area between the
buildings.
MOTION by Susan Secoy to recommend approval of the project to the Planning Commission
with the following conditions:
1. Submit final landscape and irrigation plans to Community Services Department for approval.
SECOND:Leonard Filner
AYES:Linda Boone, Leonard Filner, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:None
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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Meeting Minutes for March 22, 2000
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5. DRC No. 3527 - 24 HOUR FITNESS
New 45,000 sq. ft. fitness center
3600 W. Orangewood Avenue
DRC Action: Final Determination
The project was presented by Delbert Shotwell with STDR Architects. The proposal is to
construct a new 2-story, 45,000 sq.ft. fitness center behind the existing 4-story parking structure
at the Orangewood Center.
Leonard Filner stated that the landscape concept is good, exhibiting proper selection of planting
materials that fit well within the space provided. It is also suggested that the Palm trees be
specified at minimum 8 to 10 ft. brown trunk height. The final plans can be handled by staff
Mark Paone asked how the entry canopy is to be constructed, and what type of signage is
being used on the canopy?
Mr. Shotwell explained that the support columns will be eliminated due to setback requirements,
and the canopy will cantilever out from the building instead. The signnge will be made of
illuminated channel letters.
Susan Secoy stated that this is an important entry element that still needs further refinement
and detail. Overall, she supports the direction of the design that this is a very clean building.
Mark Paone further stated that exterior lighting at the entry element are also important. He
would like to see the details of how the lighting concept is to be executed on this project.
MOTION by Susan Secoy to continue the project with the following conditions:
1. Specify the use of aluminum panels for the building's exterior finish material.
2. Submit revised plans to show detail drawing of entry canopy without the support columns.
3. Submit signage plans to show how it is incorporated with the design of the entry canopy
4. Articulate exterior lighting concept of the building. Provide cut sheets of lighting fixtures.
5. Palm trees shall be specified at minimum 8 to 10 ft. brown trunk height.
6. Prior to issuance of building permits, submit final landscape and irrigation plans to
Community Services Department for approval. Final plans to include City required
inspection notes.
SECOND:Mark Paone
AYES:Linda Boone, Leonard
NOES:None
ABSENT:None
ABSTAINED:None
Filner, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
MOTION CARRIED
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Meeting Minutes for March 22, 2000
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6. DRC No. 3528 -FRANK CHAD
New custom single family residence
6143 Cliffway Drive
DRC Action: Final Determination
The project was presented by the property owners Frank and Jean Chao. The proposal is to
construct a new 5,800 sq.ft. split-level house on a large vacant lot. The presentation also
included a conceptual landscape plan, color renderings, material samples and paint colors.
Susan Secoy stated that there is an evolution of the design process that is occurring with this
project. The proposed design is moving in a good direction, and the plans seem rather
interesting. However, there are still some design issues that need to be addressed.
Mark Paone expressed concerns with the proposed changes which are not being shown on the
submitted plans. Some the changes include elimination of the stone on the exterior, and the
different window treatment. These changes must be reflected accurately on the plans in order
to obtain approval of the project. Additionally, a site section drawing should be provided to
show the house in relationship to the slope and the location of the trees.
Leonard Filner stated that the landscape architect needs to communicate with the City's Fire
Department to verify compliance with Fuel Modification requirements.
Mark Paone requested that a more complete set of plans be submitted prior to the next
scheduled meeting for inclusion in the DRC packet.
MOTION by Susan Secoy to continue the project per the above discussion.
SECOND: Mark Paone
AYES: Linda Boone, Leonard Filner, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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Meeting Minutes for March 22, 2000
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7. DRC No. 3525 -CITY OF ORANGE
Proposed improvements to Depot Park including new Millennium Clock and Veterans
Memorial Fountain
NWC Chapman Avenue & Atchison Street
DRC Action: Recommendation to City Council
The project was presented by Gabe Garcia and Greg Warren with the Community Services
Department, Robert Chattel -Historic Preservation Consultant, and Pat Hirsch and Chuck Foley
with Hirsch & Associates, Inc. The project is called "Santa Fe Depot Improvements", which is
comprise of two components; The Millennium Clock, and The Veterans Memorial Fountain.
Robert Chattel added that a third component has also been included with this project, which is
the replacement signage to the existing "Metrolink" monument sign.
Susan Secoy stated that she has also been involved with the process in terms of design
critique.
Millennium Clock:
The clock is 19 ft. in overall height, and its location will replace an existing acorn lighting fixture
along the public right-of-way. The clock was derived as a result of a City Council appointed
Millennium Clock Commission. The clock is intended to be a contemporary addition, rather
than a copy of something historic in nature.
Mark Paone raised concerns with the use of down lighting as it may be difficult to conceal the
light source. Perhaps there are other types of lighting method that are more effective. He
would prefer that alternative methods be studied, and then returned to the DRC for further
review and discussion.
MOTION by Susan Secoy to recommend approval of the project to the City Council with the
following conditions:
1. The accent banding for the hardscape be a red brick to be compatible the existing.
2. The clock color to match or to be compatible with the proposed street lights.
3. The lighting to be diffused from the internal light source that is already part of the clock face.
If the lighting cannot be diffused, then no lighting would be used. Further development to
be studied and participated with members of the DRC.
SECOND:Linda Boone
AYES:Linda Boone, Leonard Filner, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:None
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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7. DRC No. 3525 -CITY OF ORANGE (Continued)
Veterans Memorial Fountain:
The fountain is designed to be low profile so that it would not obstruct any views to the Depot
Park. The proposed materials are traditional building material such as natural stones, concrete
and porcelain tiles, and the colors are muted earth tones.
MOTION by Susan Secoy to recommend approval of the project to the City Council with the
following conditions:
1. The travertine used on the back wall to wrap around the edges and the face of the fountain.
If travertine is not used, then the alternative material shall be extended to the interior
corners, so that there would be no detailing problems at the edge.
2. The bronze plaques shall be installed in such a manner so as to avoid potential staining on
the vertical surfaces. Further study is needed.
3. The top coping element shall be slightly canted away from the face of the wall of the
fountain.
4. The back of the fountain shall be planted with hedges and vines to help soften its
appearance.
5. The cantara stone shall be a one piece stone.
SECOND:Mark Paone
AYES:Linda Boone, Leonard Filner, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:None
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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Meeting Minutes for March 22, 2000
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7. DRC No. 3525 -CITY OF ORANGE (Continued)
Si na e:
The proposal is to remove the existing monument sign and replace it with new signage to
identified both the Metrolink Station and the new restaurant business. Part of the difficulty with
this approach is that the Old Towne Design Standards restricts the monument sign to a
maximum of 42 inches in overall height, and a maximum of 24 sq.ft. in sign face area. An
alternative solution would be to utilize the monument sign for the new restaurant, and install a
separate blade sign attached to a street light pole for the Metrolink Station.
The DRC agreed that the alternative method of separating the two signs would be the
preferable solution.
MOTION by Mark Paone to recommend approval of the project in concept to the City Council
with the following conditions:
1. That a new 42 inch high monument sign be constructed to identify the new restaurant
business, and that a separate blade sign be installed attached to a street light pole for the
Metrolink Station.
SECOND:
AYES: Linda Boone, Leonard Filner, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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