03-20-2002 DRC MinutesCITY OF ORANGE
DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE
MINUTES
Wednesday, March 20, 2002
Committee Members Present: Alice Angus
Leonard Filner (Vice Chair)
Susan Secoy
Joe Woollett (Chair)
Staff in Attendance: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner
Howard Morris, Landscape Coordinator
Madeline Russell, Recording Secretary
Committee Member Absent: Mark Paone
Administrative Session - 4:30 P.M.
The committee met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 p.m. The meeting adjourned
at approximately 8:15 p.m.
Regular Session - 5:30 PM
REVIEW OF MINUTES:
Review and approval of the meeting minutes was continued to the April 3, 2002 meeting.
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1. DRC No. 3694 -PACIFIC STORAGE
New 157,610 sq. ft, self-storage facility within an existing Southern California Edison
easement.
1562 N. Main Street
Staff Contact: Matthew Bassi, Senior Planner
DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission
Rick Blomgren, Axcess Architects, presented the project.
This is a new group of storage facility developers who have negotiated with Edison to built
20 to 60 sites under Edison power lines.
The site is impacted by 4 sets of Edison lines, one serving the oil refinery and 3 sets over
the building.
Corporate colors are Grey and Teal. Cornice bands and metal fascias are used to further
articulate the building.
Exterior finish material includes heavy gauge steel with a painted surface. (A material board
has been submitted to the City)
On the south wall, leave a couple of blocks open, about every six feet, and have the vines
grow under them and attach to the south side.
The landscaping along the Main Street frontage should be of greater quantity and variation.
The committee commended the architect for a very professional submittal.
PUBLIC COMMENT: None
A motion was made by Committee Member Leonard Filner to recommend approval of the
project to the Planning Commission with the following conditions:
1. Provide one block opening (8"x16"), 8 ft. on center, along the south wall to allow vines to
grow through and attach to the south wall.
2. Provide a tree mix from the plant palette listed on the landscape plans, along Main Street.
3. Submit final landscape and irrigation plans to Community Services Department for
approval. (Final plans to include City required inspection notes)
SECOND:Susan Secoy
AYES:Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:Mark Paone
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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2. DRC No. 3549 - V.R.S.J. MEDICAL
Revisions to previously approved new medical office complex and parking structure.
230 S. Main Street
Staff Contact: Anna Pehoushek, Senior Planner
DRC Action: Final Determination
Mr. Brett Hubinger presented the proposed revisions.
Remove Photinia along north side of parking structure.
Changed vines to Boston ivy.
Parking structure: The second story is solid and is carried over to the east elevation. For
the west elevation; remove the solid wall section and replace it with a security mesh along
the first story, approximately 10 ft. from the ground.
Security issues were raised during discussion with the Police Department.
Concrete all across the bottom, except where an opening exists, there will be screen.
PUBLIC COMMENT: None
A motion was made by Committee Member Susan Secoy to approve the project with the
following condition:
1. Area on the east elevation, between gridlines five and six, be shown as a solid panel, per
discussion.
SECOND:Alice Angus
AYES:Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:Mark Paone
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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3. DRC No. 3599 - KFC/A&W
New 2,580 sq. ft. restaurant building with drive-thru lane.
2469 N. Tustin Street
Staff Contact: Mario Chavez-Marquez, Planning Aide
DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission
Continued from 03-06-02 meeting)
Ahmad Ghaderi with A & S Engineering presented the project.
Discussed exiting the drive-thru late at night. Met with Staff and City Traffic Engineer and
reduced the 20 ft. setback to 15 ft.
Revised landscape plans have been submitted to reflect changes.
Samples: canvas material requested at last meeting and actual color for A & W.
Removed the mission tile, sample of tile, 8" x 8", to be installed at the base of the building.
Correction: light fixtures are as shown last meeting, light cut sheet to be utilized.
Exterior color; Off-white, samples submit to Staff.
Variance is needed for signage because the building frontage is so narrow.
Committee Member indicated a different interpretation may allow applicant signs on the
sides of the building. A variance may not be required. Applicant should confer with Staff.
PUBLIC COMMENT: None
A motion was made by Committee Chair Joe Woollett to recommend approval of the project to
the Planning Commission with the following conditions:
1. Tile size around the base of the building is clarified to be 8" x 8".
2. Carry the checker color pattern on the A & W element past the outside corner along the 6"
wraparound.
3. Submit to Staff proper documentation on drive-thru change.
4. Submit to Staff final landscape and irrigation plans.
5. Recommend giving consideration to eliminating All-American Food lettering on the west
elevation.
SECOND:Susan Secoy
AYES:Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:Mark Paone
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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4. DRC No. 3696 -ALL PRO REMODELING
Remodeling of an existing 3,220 sq. ft. commercial building to consist of adding 800 sq.
ft. of second-story office space, a 400 sq. ft. storage garage, new signage, parking lot
improvements and site landscaping.
706 N. Tustin Street
Staff Contact: Mario Chavez-Marquez, Planning Aide
DRC Action: Final Determination
John Johnson, Owner of All Pro Remodeling presented the project.
Proposal to add-on to the rear of the property, a 400 sq.ft. storage garage and 800 sq.ft. of
second story office space.
Existing landscaping will be upgraded to include 15 new trees and a new 10 ft. landscape
planter in front.
Existing parking will be brought into compliance. With the handicapped spaces, there are
four spaces in the front and seven in the rear in addition to the loading zone.
Staff recommendations/Materials:
1) Add windows on the north side, it is a fire wall and windows are impractical there;
2) There is an abundance of lighting in the upstairs offices, there is floor to ceiling
lighting across the front, 4x4 windows in the back, all the doors have glass in them,
and 4 ft. skylight, lighting is almost 50% of the floor area, as opposed to what exists
now, basically store-front windows and no windows anywhere else in the building, it
will be much brighter on the inside;
3) Proposing red extrusions on the windows, red the across the front, the signage
originally was 12% too big and has been downsized to 50 sq. ft x 16 letters, white
stucco on the exterior to identify the company logo on the building.
4) Staff suggested doing something in brick on the columns between the windows - it
seems silly because they are only about 12 inches. The white stucco, the red
roofline, these colors have been used numerous time up and down Tustin Ave. The
McDonalds at the other end of this same shopping center has almost identical colors.
The the roof and sloping roof is the norm, have spent 2%2 months to get to this, the building
applicant is currently in has been sold. Up to this time, no one has expressed any
reservations about the tile, they felt it was harmonious with the other buildings on Tustin.
Committee Member expressed the need for further clarification of materials, brick seems to
be out of place, and the is not really helping.
Committee Member does agree that it is a feature seen everywhere on Tustin.
Committee Member agrees with the canopy, breaking up the mass, creating more of a
pedestrian scale; disagrees with the brick veneer. Expressed the need for the Design
Review Committee to see the storefront and stucco colors, and the proportion of the
signage. This is information required to document what the Committee has approved.
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4. DRC No. 3696 -ALL PRO REMODELING (Continued)
PUBLIC COMMENT: None
A motion was made by Committee Susan Secoy to approve the project, subject to the following
conditions:
1. Submit detailed signage plan to the Design Review Committee for final approval.
2. All signage shall be integrated with the proposed building and shall be deemed consistent
with the current design.
3. The wall signs shall be reduced to 50-sq. ft. in area, as required per O.M.C. Section
17.36.080. This change shall be reflected in the final plans submitted to the Design
Review Committee and shall be verified by Planning Staff.
4. Omit item # 3, the Design Review Committee does not support the brick material.
5. Prior to issuance of building permits, decorative lighting shall be added to the west side to
improve the safety of these areas.
6. All construction shall conform in substance and be maintained in general conformance
with plans labeled Exhibit A, (dated March 6, 2002), and as recommended for approval by
the Design Review Committee, except the roofing material on the canopy shall be the
standard seam material, the color to match the specified red storefront color.
7. Prior to occupancy of the new home remodeling space, all parking lot and landscaping
improvements shall be completed according to the approved plans and to the satisfaction
of the Community Development Director or her designee.
SECOND:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
ABSTAINED
Leonard Filner
Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
None
Mark Paone
None
MOTION CARRIED
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5. DRC No. 3698 - IMMANUEL LUTHERAN CHURCH
Expansion of an existing church school facility consisting of adding two new modular
classroom buildings with decorative screen wall and landscaping.
147 S. Pine Street (Old Towne Historic District)
Staff Contact: Daniel Ryan, Senior Planner -Historic Preservation
DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission
Continued from 03-06-02 meeting)
Carol Tink-Fox, Architect, presented the project.
Now using the agapanthus, foundation planting that is not too dense, eliminating places for
children to hide.
Along the church, there is a hedge and bird of paradise; and a box hedge under the
staircase.
There are vine pockets for the bougainvillea to grow directly onto the lattice material that is
now wrapped around the corner.
Previously talked about having a screen continue around the corner, but it actually created
a really long facade and made the mass of the building seem larger.
Met with O.T.P.A. and the Police Department and received positive feedback from each;
received memo from Police Department indicating their concerns.
Need to work out the final lattice detail, and determine mechanics of airflow.
Landscaping is not currently proposed for the south side
Concern about grill resolved by painting the background of the building.
Introduce some taller landscape materials to provide rhythm and some vertical growth.
PUBLIC COMMENT:
Jeff Frankel, O.T.P.A., 384 S. Orange Street and Janet Crenshaw, 464 N. Shaffer Street.
Screen design is appropriate and adequate as a temporary measure.
Only concern is a mechanism for an appropriate time constraint.
A motion was made by Committee Member Susan Secoy to recommend approval of the project
to the Planning Commission with the following conditions:
Upon further design development lattice element will be submitted to the DRC for
approval.
2. Add vertical shrub elements to the Pine Street, west elevation, per discussion.
3. Include the findings in the Staff Report.
SECOND:Leonard Filner
AYES:Alice Angus, Leonard
NOES:None
ABSENT:Mark Paone
ABSTAINED:None
Filner, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
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MOTION CARRIED
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6. DRC No. 3699 -SAINT MARY'S SERIAC ORTHODOX CHURCH
Expansion of an existing church facility to consist of adding a new 5,350 sq. ft. multi-
purpose building, and the demolition of an existing 2,450 sq. ft. classroom building.
1515 E. Taft Avenue
Staff Contact: Daniel Ryan, Senior Planner -Historic Preservation
DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission
Reverend Fr. George Tounia and his Architect George Behnam presented the project.
Photographs of existing
Compliance with handicapped and ADA requirements, parking, adding a lot of trees here
and there and relocating the trash.
Floor plan of the multipurpose hall, which has a stage and some storage, men's and
women's rooms, and an office.
Regarding elevations, using the same rooflines, composite shingle and stucco to match the
existing.
Trying to introduce some brick veneers to resemble some of the tiny brick veneers on the
existing building.
Also, trying to put some new stained glass in the existing building, using the same as in the
new multipurpose building to create a nice transition and compliment the existing building.
Committee Member having a hard time evaluating the project with what's being presented.
Committee Members need to see exactly what will be used, more detail regarding materials,
colors, texture, exterior lighting, more photographs of the existing building, landscaping plan,
use of gutters, etc. Asked if applicant has received a checklist and could comply.
General discussion continued to assist applicant with the overall project plan.
PUBLIC COMMENT: None
A motion was made by Committee Member Susan Secoy to continue the project.
SECOND:Alice Angus
AYES:Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:Mark Paone
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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7. DRC No. 3704 - WIENERSCHNITZEL
New 796 sq. ft. restaurant with outdoor patio dining area and drive-thru lane.
4341 E. Chapman Avenue
Staff Contact: Mario Chavez-Marquez, Planning Aide
DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission
Eva Sloan with CRHO Architects presented the project.
Brought color material board, and pictures for each Committee Member.
This is a tiny building, with only a kitchen; used stone veneer, arches to catch the Mexican-
Spanish flavor, a the roof, and an awning, to make it as appealing as possible.
Signs fall under signage requirements.
Committee Members indicated it is extremely responsive, it's as good as it's going to get.
Committee Member asked if corporate has approved; applicant responded it will happen.
The site plan, floor plan, and landscaping will remain the same.
The sign package and elevations will change.
PUBLIC COMMENT: None
A motion was made by Committee Susan Secoy to recommend approval of the project to the
Planning Commission with the following conditions:
1. Based on revised elevations, color and material board submitted to DRC at this meeting.
2. Staff to review the appropriate elevations.
3. Staff to review signage for compliance with square footage and exterior elevations.
4. Replace 5 of the 24" box trees, per the landscape plan, with up-sized to 36" box trees.
5. Submit to Staff final landscape and irrigation plans.
SECOND:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
ABSTAINED
Alice Angus
Alice Angus, Leonard
None
Mark Paone
None
Filner, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
MOTION CARRIED
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8. DRC No. 3708 -ORANGE HILLS ASSEMBLY
New identification wall sign for an existing church facility.
2910 Santiago Boulevard
Staff Contact: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner
DRC Action: Final Determination
Rick Denman with Signs & Services Company presented the project.
Back in November 2001, the DRC approved a new monument sign in front of the building.
The current proposal to install one set of individual channel letters that will be illuminated
with neon along the rear elevation of the building that faces the freeway.
The red color was chosen because of its efficiency. Blue and purple do not illuminate well
as it tends to blur at night.
The proposed wall sign complies with square footage requirement of zoning code.
PUBLIC COMMENT: None
A motion was made by Committee Chair Joe Woollett to approve the project as submitted.
SECOND: Leonard Filner
AYES: Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: Mark Paone,
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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9. DRC No. 3709 - MARRIOT RESIDENCE INN
New freestanding sign for an existing motel.
3101 W. Chapman Avenue
Staff Contact: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner
DRC Action: Recommendation to Zoning Administrator
Rick Denman with Signs & Services Company presented the project.
This business that has been encroached upon by the widening of the 5 Freeway, which has
gone from 6 lanes to 12 lanes.
When the widening occurred, State College was the Residence Inn frontage and their
address. An on-ramp and a 29-ft. wall have totally eliminated the street.
The existing sign is 20 ft. and is almost totally non-visible.
The proposal is to construct a new 50-ft. high freestanding sign. They borrowed a sign from
another Marriot Residence and hired a crane, at great expense, to lift it so they could do a
photo survey to see at what distance it was visible, i.e. what was the vision corridor.
Also proposed is a monument sign. It is a relatively small sign of 8 ft. x 6 ft.
The Ramada Inn sign across the street is approximately 45 ft. in height.
A hardship for this business has been created by the change in topography.
The background of the signs is opaque, so only the letters are illuminated. It uses their
corporate color and logo design.
The color of the pole encasement is texture coated and matches the wall, which is a
shadow-wood beige, the same process is done with the monument sign.
A variance application is needed for the 50-ft. sign height, and for a second monument sign.
PUBLIC COMMENT: None
A motion was made by Committee Member Leonard Filner to recommend approval of the
project to the Zoning Administrator.
SECOND: Joe Woollett
AYES: Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: Mark Paone
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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10. DRC No. 3710 - UBI BUSINESS BROKERS
New freestanding sign for an existing office.
1501 E. Chapman Avenue
Staff Contact: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner
DRC Action: Final Determination
Approved as Consent Item)
A motion was made by Committee Member Leonard Filner to approve the project with the
following condition:
1. Adjust the irrigation sprinkler around the signage to avoid damage from water over-spray.
SECOND:Susan Secoy
AYES:Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:Mark Paone
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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11. DRC No. 3711 - EQUILON ENTERPRISES
Conversion of an existing Texaco Station to a Shell Station consisting of repainting the
existing buildings and canopy, and new replacement signage.
1815 N. Tustin Street
Staff Contact: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner
DRC Action: Final Determination
Approved as Consent Item)
A motion was made by Committee Member Leonard Filner to approve the project with the
following condition:
1. Replace with in-kind landscape material that is damaged during the construction process.
SECOND:Alice Angus
AYES:Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:Mark Paone
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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12. DRC No. 3713 -CHRIS KENT
Expansion of an entry area and addition of a 162 sq. ft. bathroom and closet for an
existing residence. Project also includes the demolition of an existing detached garage,
and the construction of a new 2-car detached garage.
367 S. Clark Street (Old Towne Historic District))
Staff Contact: Daniel Ryan, Senior Planner -Historic Preservation
DRC Action: Final Determination
Applicant was not present.
A motion was made by Committee Susan Secoy to continue the item.
SECOND:Leonard Filner
AYES:Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:Mark Paone
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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